That is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Sticks are incomparably more user friendly. So you get superior functionality (through precision) and superior usability (through comfort).
Play Super Meat Boy without a d-pad. Come back to me.
That is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Sticks are incomparably more user friendly. So you get superior functionality (through precision) and superior usability (through comfort).
Why are people just assuming this crap is true? Confidence in the Wii U is at an all-time low.
Play Super Meat Boy without a d-pad. Come back to me.
Someone told me they did a few days ago ;_;
I have Super Meat Boy on my computer. I have played it with both my dual shock 3 and wii classic controller pro. Classic controller pro all the way. NOTHING beats a good dpad for platformers. Sticks are great for games designed for analog movement, not 2D platformers.
Sigh, the D-pad is an AWFUL control device. A stick will always have greater sensitivitywnd precision. That is simple physics. I am not talking about analog here. A 2600 stick would dominate any dpad in existence.
Play Super Meat Boy without a d-pad. Come back to me.
You played Super Meat Boy using the Xbox360 D-pad? Kudos to you, I can only play it using the analog stick, cause the X360 D-Pad is far from ideal.
Smartphones and tablets don't have buttons. How hard is it to understand multitouch is meant to cram more functionality into the touch screen because the devices lack any other input methods
The DS has never felt lacking without multitouch.
The only reason multitouch is essential for game control on tablets and smartphones is because there are no physical buttons. The Wii U controller doesn't have this problem.
The only other application I have seen for multitouch is for multiplayer games on the same tablet - those sort of air hockey style things. But they're all shite. The Wii U controller will be used by 1 player 99.9% of the time, so that's not even worth thinking about.
I played maybe 50-50 d-pad and analog stick Super Meat Boy (Sixaxis controller). Most levels don't really require d-pad precision...Play Super Meat Boy without a d-pad. Come back to me.
And Microsoft will ape Nintendo and Sony will ape Microsoft and Nintendo will ape itself and everybody will ape everybody and we'll just keep spiraling into gimmick after gimmick.
I can't even understand how this shit gets tolerated anymore. It's the sheer and utter complacency of the lowest-common-denominator market. The idiots who will buy anything because it's new and shiny.
Unless the Wii U manages to somehow shatter this industry into a million pieces and says, "what now, motherfuckers?" I will continue to be less and less enthusiastic about this console industry. Waggle until the cows come home. It won't change the fact that you're using suped-up Power Gloves to play your games. Fucking exciting.
Sans analog joysticks have a gigantic dead spot because you only read 0 or 1 (or in most modern cases 0-0.5 or 0.5 to 1). The sensitivity you speak of actually hinders it in many control scenarios.
Nobody has ever claimed Mario would play better with a joystick, have they?
2 points:
1. I would never waste my time on a nintendo game
2. mario might actually be tolerable with a stick. It would definitely control vastly better.
2 points:
1. I would never waste my time on a nintendo game
2. mario might actually be tolerable with a stick. It would definitely control vastly better.
So basically you don't actually know anything about what's being discussed?
No it means that I am one of the few people that can be rational about the topic.
I would consider it unwise to ignore a franchise for 20+ years and then make statements on it.Perhaps because it is the same game as the eighties?
That's nice.
How would you know, if you would never waste your time with it?
Saying you would never play the cornerstone franchise of a genre and then talking from a position of authority isn't very rational.
It's nice to talk about things one knows nothing about.Perhaps because it is the same game as the eighties?
2 points:
1. I would never waste my time on a nintendo game
2. mario might actually be tolerable with a stick. It would definitely control vastly better.
No it means that I am one of the few people that can be rational about the topic.
More to the point of the topic. On of the great things about the touch screen would be the ability to eliminate the dpad entirely, not that they would do something that awesome.
Perhaps because it is the same game as the eighties?
No, it doesn't extend to that because the added benefits of multitouch over touch are miniscule compared to touch over simple buttons.
For a 2D game where you control something that goes left or right a d-pad is the best thing. Any stick, digital or analog, has a travel distance that takes away the on/off control that these games need. A recent example is NSMBW which support both stick (nunchuk) and d-pad (remote), dont tell me you prefer stick control for that.Sigh, the D-pad is an AWFUL control device. A stick will always have greater sensitivitywnd precision. That is simple physics. I am not talking about analog here. A 2600 stick would dominate any dpad in existence.
For a 2D game where you control something that goes left or right a d-pad is the best thing. Any stick, digital or analog, has a travel distance that takes away the on/off control that these games need. A recent example is NSMBW which support both stick (nunchuk) and d-pad (remote), dont tell me you prefer stick control for that.
(...reads the rest of the thread...)
oh, youre just a troll.
According to who? You?
Multitouch>single touch. End of story. Again, it's not really prudent to say inferiority is better. I know a lot of people say that just to justify Nintendo's decisions, but they're big boys. They don't need defending.
According to who? You?
No, according to a simple laws of logic. Multiple points of input>one point of input.
Good god some people can be annoying. They'll argue the sky isn't blue just to get an argument going.
The argument isn't single vs multitouch. It's resistive touch screen with stylus vs capacitive touch screen with multi touch.
No, according to a simple laws of logic. Multiple points of input>one point of input.
Good god some people can be annoying. They'll argue the sky isn't blue just to get an argument going.
You just made a straw man argument and then preceded to complain about people making up arguments.
Pray tell, what "straw man" did I pull? Just plopping logical fallacy names does not a good argument make.
Nobody was arguing one point of contact is better than more than one point of contact. The core arguments are around the precision of the touch events. You substituted an argument that had merit for one that makes no sense and one I have yet to see made.
No, it doesn't extend to that because the added benefits of multitouch over touch are miniscule compared to touch over simple buttons.
Exactly. I'm not too keen on these "tablet" style controllers. The Wii U controller looks uncomfortable to me.
I do suggest you read the topic and what I was replying to. I was specifically replying to this post:
No mention of stylus control or precision. That was something somebody else brought up. And I never said that people were arguing to one point of contact is better, it's the failure to admit or downplay the fact that multiple points is better.
I do suggest you read the topic and what I was replying to. I was specifically replying to this post:
No mention of stylus control or precision. That was something somebody else brought up. And I never said that people were arguing to one point of contact is better, it's the failure to admit or downplay the fact that multiple points is better.
So now your just going to pull things out of context? Basically he said that multi-touch isn't a big win once you have buttons and then you pulled another switcheroo by claiming that because he claims multi-touch isn't as important with buttons that this means he must also agrees that touch screens in general were unnecessary with buttons.
Hold the fucking phone.1. I would never waste my time on a nintendo game