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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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MrBelmontvedere
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Though if you're just looking for truly high responsiveness from a non-CRT monitor I'd look one of the better-quality 120hz TNs, like the BenQs. If you want an IPS monitor though and you want it to be as responsive as it probably can be (short of 120hz IPS monitors, which would be nice), that Dell is probably your best bet. The price is great and it seems pretty solid all-around, with its responsiveness being the highlight relative to most other similar monitors.
I wouldn't be able to afford to game at 120hz unfortunately, even if we're "only" talking about 1080p, getting 120 fps with most settings max @ 1080p in modern games would require quite the beastly gpu setup.
Also I've had a 2311h and my current 2711h, both of them were amazing but I think the 2711 is "wasted" on me. All of it's features are rendered moot since I do nothing other than gaming +surfing on this pc.
Also I kinda miss having a relatively responsive monitor.
I'm on the same boat as you. When the kepler cards drop I want to sell my current setup to put towards an i7-3820/Kepler build. I just want to build something fucking crazy while I'm young and can spend the money :lol.
My current setup is:
i5-2500K
HD6950 2GB Twin Frozr
Asrock Extreme 6 P67
8GB DDR3 1600
2x Samsung spinpoint F3
Coolermaster Haf X
EDIT: The extra power would be for HD encoding for recording/streaming.
I'd be surprised if there was a tangible difference between 2500k and 3820k in games.
It's mainly for HD streaming/recording. I know I could just go up one to the 2600K but like I said, I rarely spend much money on myself I just horde it so I'm just going to go all out.
IcyRhythms
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Some here are wondering why I would want to do this, the new cards(and possibly a new CPU if I choose to do that as well)will require a different MOBO. Well, only if I go with a new CPU will a completely different MOBO be needed, but what would some consider the best 1155 socket mobo with PCI E 3.0?
MrBelmontvedere
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since basically 95% of games released for PC are simply console ports, even the quad core ivy bridge would be massive overkill.
but next gen is quickly approaching (in a rather slow manner...if that makes sense) it's rather difficult to say without hard specs to compare against. for Wii U at least 4 core ivy bridge would be fine (with a mid high-end card, we are after all talking about 1080p).
I hope so, I'm coming from a core 2 duo and I'd like to be able to so both and maybe some other apps at the same time with zero lag.
I'm just not sure what the solution would be
The HT from the 2600K helps a lot and having some sort of capture card/device helps take some of the load off too but from anyone I've talked to regarding HQ streaming, and I've got to talk to some of the bigger streamers in the FGC, they've just told me that you just need straight up raw power and after that you've just got to play with your settings to find a good mix of stream quality and game performance. I'm told the hard drives you actually use to run xsplit/whatever streaming software from really inpacts on how it'll run. 8 Way run have a great guide up for streaming solutions (it's more on console streaming but it still all applies)
The other option is a 2 PC stream where you play with one and stream with the other but I just personally don't have the room for that.
EDIT: I personally was streaming tera for a little bit with a 2500K @ 3.3Ghz and you just have to sacrifice your visual quality for a smooth stable stream. The way you need to look at it is like this, people watching the stream aren't going to see much difference between the game at max quality vs the game running at mid quality or around that. Pretty much most of the top streamers are only running their game at medium and lower so if that quality is good enough for them to get 1K viewers each time they stream you shouldn't sweat trying to make your stream look super godlike.
I sort of figured it was mostly raw power. I'd rather it just be one computer. capture device you say? I'm gonna have to do some research on that.
Second computer with a capture card. It's what we're resorting to.
BoobPhysics101
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That's fine. Well within normal range.
ty yeah I'll go with the Crucial.
ClovingWestbrook
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So any updates on the whole Kepler vs 7970 recently?
I have been very close to picking up a 7970 but am not sure if a price cut is coming, when Kepler is going to be arriving, what the first Kepler cards will do in comparison to the 7970, etc.
The video card is the last part that I need to complete my build so quite antsy.
Thanks
I have been very close to picking up a 7970 but am not sure if a price cut is coming, when Kepler is going to be arriving, what the first Kepler cards will do in comparison to the 7970, etc.
The video card is the last part that I need to complete my build so quite antsy.
Thanks
Hell mine hits 80 at 4.7 and 85 at 4.8, then again that's with intelburntest.
Prime 95 is almost 10 degrees cooler in both cases.
Zombie James
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Kepler (104) launching in (maybe) 4 weeks will not compete with 7970 as the part people expect to come out is the 670Ti which hopefully will be around GTX 580 levels at considerably less cost.
I've heard they want to push out remaining netbooks, maybe desktop parts won't be delayed?
So I found these dirt cheap Corsair ram, $53 AR for 4x4 sticks
http://www.frys.com/product/6695594
Is it worth paying more for 1600 or will these be more than sufficient for the foreseeable future? I know there's a small performance bump but I'm a bit torn...
http://www.frys.com/product/6695594
Is it worth paying more for 1600 or will these be more than sufficient for the foreseeable future? I know there's a small performance bump but I'm a bit torn...
It's fine.
You can eek out tiny boosts with faster RAM, but for the most part it's not very impactful.
If you are doing something extremely intensive and loading all your cores + threads you will see tangible improvements in processing (Say 3-10%) if you go from 1333 to 1866. If you aren't doing anything of that sort (Games don't count). Then 1333 is fine.
This is basically best case scenario: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4503/39746.png
Gaming: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/6
I'm thinking Ivy Bridge might not be delayed if AMD actually had a competitive chip in Bulldozer
I thought that was just for the netbook chips?
Yeah I saw that there were potentially 3-5% bump from 1333 to 1600 but I couldn't decide on whether or not it's worth paying $120 vs $52.
Thank you for the reassurance. (and this whole thread, for that matter)
If you're still debating on buying it have a look at this pretty comprehensive review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm
I've been playing UMvC3/AE 2012/Bemani (IIDX,Pop'n'Music) on a benq xl2420t which has around 5.5ms input lag and it's pretty much perfect. For SF4 under 15ms is within 1 frame of lag, the "Evo Monitor" falls under this too.
And if it means much to you, in terms of my level of play to notice lag, I took top 32 at WGC Cannes 2009 with all the big EU players + Daigo,eita,Fudo,Desora back when I cared about the game. Desora is free to pressure ;lol
Thanks, from the looks of it I'm definitely going to buy it.
IcyRhythms
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As I was saying about selling my rig, I just bought BF3 and while it's a beautiful game, this current rig is giving me odd framerate drops. I'm having to make a lot of sacrifices to keep the 60FPS.
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
expreview is saying 78xx series will launch in 2 weeks and a leaked video looks like GK107 (nVidia low-med end) will match 6850/7770 performance.
I think many people have issues with BF3, you should ask in the thread or try to word your problems.As I was saying about selling my rig, I just bought BF3 and while it's a beautiful game, this current rig is giving me odd framerate drops. I'm having to make a lot of sacrifices to keep the 60FPS.
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
The latest article is still muddy enough to cause confusion, but it really does seem it's manufacturing related (or maybe that's just the excuse they're using) and will impact everything. Intel issuing a statement that says their chips are still releasing in Q2 leaves me extremely skeptical. June is still Q2 and that's that kind of PR I'd expect issued if it had slipped from April.
As I was saying about selling my rig, I just bought BF3 and while it's a beautiful game, this current rig is giving me odd framerate drops. I'm having to make a lot of sacrifices to keep the 60FPS.
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
But everything in that rig is top tier except the GPU. That's the bottleneck. The CPU isn't remotely the issue (for BF3).
Take the time to read through the whole review, just to see if it has everything you want and even after that more things you might want in the future. Also, and I'm sure you've done this, hit up SRK or even just look for youtube comparisons of the monitor vs a CRT. When I was on the fence about my benq I did this along with searching for HQ pictures of a timer running on the Benq vs a CRT and it was seriously undetectible to me.
As I was saying about selling my rig, I just bought BF3 and while it's a beautiful game, this current rig is giving me odd framerate drops. I'm having to make a lot of sacrifices to keep the 60FPS.
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
PCI 3.0 is not going to solve your problems. None of the current gen cards even will see a benefit unless you're doing SLI or bigger (i.e. 3-4 cards).
Either replace your GPU (for better graphics performance) or get a 2nd 560ti if your mobo can do SLI. If anything, sell graphics cards to upgrade. Your whole system is damn solid. If you really want to start over - wait for Ivy Bridge. Don't do Sandy Bridge-E. It's fast and great but for gaming it is not the answer for the $$$.
IcyRhythms
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Absolutely, and I agree
something still seems off with optimization, though.
I set everything to medium and still got drops into the low 40's
You can't expect a middle-tier card that has equal performance with a 5870 from 2+ years ago to run BF3 fine at 60FPS. Selling the whole rig is a really silly way to fix that. Get yourself a 7970 or wait for the 670/680.As I was saying about selling my rig, I just bought BF3 and while it's a beautiful game, this current rig is giving me odd framerate drops. I'm having to make a lot of sacrifices to keep the 60FPS.
Seems poorly optimzed or something. I know BF3 uses a lot more technical features than BC2, but BF3 just seems rushed or something. I'd imagine one 680(when it releases) or two 580's would make those problems go away lol
QFT.
Guys, its been a long time since I kept up to date with PC hardware and my teenage son is looking to buy a gaming PC soon-ish.
He sent me this link and asked if it was any good, obviously I have no idea but I thought you guys would know.
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Cyberpower_Z68_configurator/
He sent me this link and asked if it was any good, obviously I have no idea but I thought you guys would know.
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Cyberpower_Z68_configurator/
If you get a 6870 or 560Ti GPU and upgrade to a 650W PSU (CoolerMaster) it's not bad.
If you get that config you posted you can just swap in a new PSU and GPU (in 2-4 weeks new mid cards)
The GPU is terrible. You can build one yourself for much cheaper.
scogoth, would you have time to outline a fairly decent budget gaming PC. Say £500-600 Max?
Would you have time to read the OP?
vladimir rus
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Hello i won't semi-powerful green pc,low voltage
Hey, nobody's gonna force ya bud.
Sorry for the bump but I even tried the xsplit forums as well as some google research with no luck. Any advice?
It's just that I've spent a good amount of time pulling all the information together and just saying 5-600 won't get you the best option if you don't know what it will be used for, etc.heh, I`ll pass it on thanks
Pretty sure 6 cores is better than 4(8 HT). The question is is buying SB-E vs a 2600K ok for you. A 2600K setup will be very capable, but streaming on a system that is playing always will take a decent performance hit.
It's very reliant on how much bitrate and encoding you play to use, what res you are playing/streaming, etc.
I'd keep pestering xSplit/twitch forums. Let me know what you find out.
evil solrac v3.0
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that sounds about right, just get a 7970 or wait for Nvidia 670/680
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