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[Solid warrior]

So a country's army is suppose to oppress and kill innocent civilians if they protest against the leader?

well, the army have entered homs ONLY which was the base of terrorists attacks AGAINST civilians, civilian from other sects than the militants, security personnel and the Capital Damascus. so there is nothing innocent about "Baba Amro".

 

[Wimps]

The framing of an argument is everything sometimes. I call this a troll thread because regardless of whether or not the op is sincere - and I suppose he is - he cannot possibly have expected a reasoned discussion based on his title and first post.

That doesn't mean it's a troll thread, that just means he's ignorant.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Seriously, dude, WTF.

 

[phosphor112]

What's interesting about it?

They don't view it as terrorism. I will keep saying this. Assad is a pig, but if the rebels take over, shit is going down. Al-Qaeda is in Syria supporting the rebels. Whenever the US decides to go in, the rebels will win and then the Muslim brotherhood will kill any non-Sunni muslim. The Christians there are threatened by this whole ordeal and hope Assad will maintain ground, and the Shia are often not considered Muslims to groups like Al-Qaeda.

They keep thinking its just for freedom, but this is a huge secular issue. This isn't Libya.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

well, the army have entered homs ONLY which was the base of terrorists attacks AGAINST civilians, civilian from other sects than the militants, security personnel and the captial. so there is nothing innocent about "Baba Amro".

Except the hundreds of civilians who live there.

 

[Dariee]

Not that I think that the rebels are a bunch of fluffy kittens, but what the fuck.

Spot on.

It ain't like these are just 'harmless rebels' (as they are sort of an army as well and it is unkown what their favored Syria will look like), but if sides are to be picked, I'd rather see a yet undecided future without Assad than war crimes continuing under his dictatorship.

 

[DY_nasty]

Asking out of possible ignorance, but what about all the journalists who've been directly targeted by the Syrian military? I've rarely heard the word "terrorist" to describe the resistance there.

 

[Azih]

Syrian situation is closer to civil war than even Libya, as Solid Warrior demonstrates. A civil war in which the military has sided with those currently in charge.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Asking out of possible ignorance, but what about all the journalists who've been directly targeted by the Syrian military? I've rarely heard the word "terrorist" to describe the resistance there.

Yep. Apparently journalists from the NY Times and CNN are terrorists too.

 

[Solid warrior]

we've done it. a dictator defense force. so solid warrior how do you feel about one man controlling the country for 30 years?

I won't defend the acts of a dictator and i never will. I'm against terrorism and with more free democratic reforms for the sake of the syrian people. blood free. beside, He didn't rule syria for 30 years. that's false.

enjoy the democracies of the backers of the Syrian "Uprising". The Saudi democracy of beheading and misogyny.

 

[phosphor112]

Jeez
Yeah what she actually says is:

"The longer you support the regime's campaign of violence against your brothers and sisters, the more it will stain your honor. If you refuse, however, to prop up the regime or take part in attacks on your fellow citizens, your countrymen and women will hail you as heroes,"

and

"Assad would have the Syrian people believe that it is only terrorists and extremists standing against the regime. But that is wrong,"

So, because its NOT only terrorists and extremists its ok? Sure, I want the killing to stop, but the terrorists will take fucking advantage of this. I hate to say I told you so, but when this shit is all said and done Al-Qaeda will be in there full force to bullshit their way into Iraq..

There is NO good outcome in this, there is only a "better" one.

 

[Darklord]

blood free

This is a brutal, hateful dictator. There IS no blood free.

 

[DY_nasty]

I won't defend the acts of a dictator and i never will. I'm against terrorism and with more free democratic reforms for the sake of the syrian people. blood free.

Okay, here is where you lose me. And I'm just trying to understand all this so bear with me...

IF they're rebelling against a dictator who's supposedly murdered his own citizens and then targeted journalists who've gone into the warzone to report those atrocities (some of these reporters have even been treated by the opposing force there), then how or why would you call them terrorists? The definition of a terrorist doesn't fit here.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

enjoy the democracies of the backers of the Syrian "Uprising". The Saudi democracy of beheading and misogyny.

I'm going to need find a trumpy gif for this situation.

 

[UraMallas]

OP is Troll: Master Class.

 

[Something Wicked]

I won't defend the acts of a dictator and i never will. I'm against terrorism and with more free democratic reforms for the sake of the syrian people. blood free. beside, He didn't rule syria for 30 years. that's false.

enjoy the democracies of the backers of the Syrian "Uprising". The Saudi democracy of beheading and misogyny.

I didn't realize the Saudi government just killed nearly 8,000 of its own people- mostly civilians- from tanks, mortar rounds, and snipers.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Okay, here is where you lose me. And I'm just trying to understand all this so bear with me...

IF they're rebelling against a dictator who's supposedly murdered his own citizens and then targeted journalists who've gone into the warzone to report those atrocities (some of these reporters have even been treated by the opposing force there), then how or why would you call them terrorists? The definition of a terrorist doesn't fit here.

“We have a very dangerous set of actors in the region, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, and those who are on our terrorist list, to be sure, supporting – claiming to support the opposition [in Syria].” - Hillary Clinton

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I won't defend the acts of a dictator and i never will. I'm against terrorism and with more free democratic reforms for the sake of the syrian people. blood free. beside, He didn't rule syria for 30 years. that's false.

enjoy the democracies of the backers of the Syrian "Uprising". The Saudi democracy of beheading and misogyny.

but between him and his father they have, correct?

 

[phosphor112]

I won't defend the acts of a dictator and i never will. I'm against terrorism and with more free democratic reforms for the sake of the syrian people. blood free. beside, He didn't rule syria for 30 years. that's false.

enjoy the democracies of the backers of the Syrian "Uprising". The Saudi democracy of beheading and misogyny.

This. People don't understand the guys pushing for the rebellion. They really don't. These are the same people as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda. ALL BUT ONE terrorist was from Saudi Arabia, but we attack every nation that ISN'T them and the ones that Saudi Arabia hates? What is this shit?

You guys will think I'm crazy, but as an Arab American, I KNOW wtf is going on and I'm not blinded by the western media.

EDIT: Supporting rebels that are backed by terrorists and a country that has more human rights violations than the rest of the middle east.
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-growing-rebellion-in-saudi-arabia/84/

Sounds like a plan!

 

[Major_Lazer]

Both sides are as bad as each other in this conflict, take the news most Western media gives you with a grain of salt.

 

[DY_nasty]

“We have a very dangerous set of actors in the region, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, and those who are on our terrorist list, to be sure, supporting – claiming to support the opposition [in Syria].” - Hillary Clinton

Support from terrorist groups in a rebellion or civil war doesn't automatically make that supported faction a terrorist one. It never has. The definition of a terrorist does not apply to the people opposing Assad in Syria.

 

[ToxicAdam]

This is my favorite thread in quite some time. I'm just upset I didn't think of it myself.

 

[Solid warrior]

Okay, here is where you lose me. And I'm just trying to understand all this so bear with me...

IF they're rebelling against a dictator who's supposedly murdered his own citizens and then targeted journalists who've gone into the warzone to report those atrocities (some of these reporters have even been treated by the opposing force there), then how or why would you call them terrorists? The definition of a terrorist doesn't fit here.

How do you define these acts of violence?

Government offices bombed in Damascus

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20111224/NEWS0107/112240364/

Bomb blasts bring death to Syria's Aleppo

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/10/us-syria-idUSTRE80S08620120210

 

[DarkKyo]

Holy shit I can't believe this guy. I want to believe he's the real thing but I can't. It's inexplicable.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

How do you define these acts of violence?

How do you define a month of unbroken shelling of residential areas?

 

[DY_nasty]

How do you define these acts of violence?

Direct attacks on government buildings maybe?

Violence doesn't make you a terrorist. There is a clear definition of what terrorism is and what terrorists are.

 

[thekad]

Al Qaeda has "supported" all of the uprisings in the Middle East.

 

[Maleficence]

How do you define these acts of violence?


http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20111224/NEWS0107/112240364/


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/10/us-syria-idUSTRE80S08620120210

This is called war, it's a pretty common recurrence in Human history, look it up!

 

[RustyNails]

How do you define these acts of violence?

How do you define the acts of violence committed by the syrian regime resulting in a death toll that has been estimated to have recently crossed 8,000?

 

[Salmonax]

Holy shit at the thread title. I assume it's a troll.

 

[RustyNails]

Forget it. With a thread title like that, it's pure bait. You don't want any discussion. You just want to fart your propaganda.

 

[Solid warrior]

I didn't realize the Saudi government just killed nearly 8,000 of its own people- mostly civilians- from tanks, mortar rounds, and snipers.

there are 'claims' of 8,000 deaths. the UN still can't verify them and they've recently said "It's impossible" to verify them. The Syrian government claims more than 1500 security personnel deaths and asks, who killed them?

To my understanding, Saudi and GCC forces has entered Bahrain to end Bahrainis "peaceful" uprising. At the same time, Saudi and the rest of GCC supported "freedom" and "democracy" of Syrian People.

” The United Nations halted its official count of the dead in Syria after it passed 5,400 in January, saying the situation on the ground had made it impossible to verify the numbers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/w...ose-in-on-syrian-rebels-after-referendum.html

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Did we have a Gaddafi defense force on here? I don't recall one.

Must be all the scared Christians doubling down on oppression. That or Chinese/Russian/Iranian sponsorship. Assad's got friends everywhere, even on GAF.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

As good a place as any to ask. What are going to be the real (if any...) effects of the new constitution thing that was voted on?

 

[bengraven]

 

[owlbeak]

Not sure if this is a master troll at work or not.

 

[Sealda]

OP how dare you have another opinion than others!!!!!!


Im disgusted by this, surely, you do not fit in a democratic society!

 

[Jackpot]

Even the Arab League denounced Assad after its monitoring mission and believe it or not Saudi Arabia doesn't have enough pull to force that.

Not to mention the only people defending Assad are a country that sells them millions in weapons and has a base there, and a General who took part in genocides in Sudan. Even Chinese state media said China vetoed the UN res because of closer ties with Russia and showing other members that Chinese support is crucial for future international measures.

Both sides are as bad as each other in this conflict, take the news most Western media gives you with a grain of salt.

Only one side is using heavy artillery to carpet bomb its own civilians.

OP how dare you have another opinion than others!!!!!!


Im disgusted by this, surely, you do not fit in a democratic society!

It's like asking people not to be disgusted by someone claiming the Kosovans had it coming.

 

[Solid warrior]

How do you define a month of unbroken shelling of residential areas?

Terrorists taking a population hostage?

Direct attacks on government buildings maybe?

Violence doesn't make you a terrorist. There is a clear definition of what terrorism is and what terrorists are.

If you terrorize people and use violence for political purposes, then, You ARE a terrorist.

So, Please, bomb the nearby government offices in your area, if you feel oppressed, k? You won't be a terrorist anyway.

How do you define the acts of violence committed by the syrian regime resulting in a death toll that has been estimated to have recently crossed 8,000?

They can't be verified as per the UN latest statements.

 

[Azih]

To my understanding, Saudi and GCC forces has entered Bahrain to end Bahrainis "peaceful" uprising. At the same time, Saudi and the rest of GCC supported "freedom" and "democracy" of Syrian People.

True Enough, the Saudi bloc of the Arab League and the Western world to a lesser degree have been completely two faced in how differently they've treated Bahrain as compared to Syria.

That doesn't excuse the Syrian government attacking its own civilians though. Any administration that does that loses its legitimacy.

Terrorists taking a population hostage?

Nope, that is a bullshit defense.

 

[DY_nasty]

OP how dare you have another opinion than others!!!!!!


Im disgusted by this, surely, you do not fit in a democratic society!

I don't even have an opinion on this. I just think that the word "terrorist" is really misused here and paints a picture that isn't accurate at all.

 

[SKINNER!]

How do you define the acts of violence committed by the syrian regime resulting in a death toll that has been estimated to have recently crossed 8,000?

Exactly. Over 8,000 people murdered is just disgusting. It would be a sad day in human history if the people who were responsible aren't brought to justice.

 

[DarkKyo]

If this guy was alive during World War II I could see him making a thread that titled "Germany rightfully takes Poland; instigating Poles flee".

OP, how do you feel about the government's goons sniping little kids in the streets?

The evil Assad regime needs to be obliterated.

 

[Hot Coldman]

OP is Troll: Master Class.

Bow to him, unworthy maggots. For he is your king.

 

[Solid warrior]

Even the Arab League denounced Assad after its monitoring mission and believe it or not Saudi Arabia doesn't have enough pull to force that.

Not to mention the only people defending Assad are a country that sells them millions in weapons and has a base there, and a General who took part in genocides in Sudan. Even Chinese state media said China vetoed the UN res because of closer ties with Russia and showing other members that Chinese support is crucial for future international measures.



Only one side is using heavy artillery to carpet bomb its own civilians.



It's like asking people not to be disgusted by someone claiming the Kosovans had it coming.

So, If I understand you correctly. The Arab League which consists of Dictator, tyrannical states wants freedom and democracy for another member Arab state, Is that right?

Also, the AL monitoring mission 'CONFIRMED' the syrian government claims of terrorists groups in Homs and other places as well. That's why it has been discontinued.

 

[phosphor112]

there are 'claims' of 8,000 deaths. the UN still can't verify them and they've recently said "It's impossible" to verify them. The Syrian government claims more than 1500 security personnel deaths and asks, who killed them?

To my understanding, Saudi and GCC forces has entered Bahrain to end Bahrainis "peaceful" uprising. At the same time, Saudi and the rest of GCC supported "freedom" and "democracy" of Syrian People.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/w...ose-in-on-syrian-rebels-after-referendum.html

No one ever talks about Bahrain... Cuz we're buddies with them and Saudi Arabia! =D

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Terrorists taking a population hostage?

Utter bullshit.

So, Please, bomb the nearby government offices in your area, if you feel oppressed, k?

If my dictatorial government had been shelling my neighbourhood with mortars, tanks, artillery and rocket bombardments for 4 weeks straight I might start feeling like that's an option.

 

[Nesotenso]

OP , serious question, are you Syrian and affiliated with Assad's regime ?

 

[phosphor112]

True Enough, the Saudi bloc of the Arab League and the Western world to a lesser degree have been completely two faced in how differently they've treated Bahrain as compared to Syria.

That doesn't excuse the Syrian government attacking its own civilians though. Any administration that does that loses its legitimacy.

I don't think he's claiming that, nor am I. I will support anyone who goes up against the brutality and the disgusting face that Saudi Arabia has given Islam. No offense if you're Saudi Arabian or anything.

 

[Azih]

If this guy was alive during World War II I could see him making a thread that titled "Germany rightfully takes Poland; instigating Poles flee".

Let's not invoke Godwin here.

The fact is that a lot of Syrians support Bashar Al-Asad. You can't ignore that fact as it is something that complicates the matter terribly. As Solid Warrior demonstrates.

Edit: Now I'm assuming that SW here is a Syrian that supports Al-Asad. He may not be. But you can bet that there are a ton of Syrians who DO and have similar reasoning. It's better to understand the reasoning than just knee jerk attacking it.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.