ElRenoRaven
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Well they made some tweaks to balance the game a bit it seems.
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Twisted Metal |OT| Don't Eat. Don't Sleep. Play
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The Xtortionist
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Yeah I think there's definitely going to be a dedicated community for several years, like Shadowrun.
Haven't really tried to play TM in a while due to SSX and Mass Effect 3, though I got on a few nights ago only to ragequit after a freeze. wtf
Number one feature for me would be switching teams in ranked lobbies. Would love to team up for gaffers in games where xp is earned and stats are tracked, but every time I try to do that it usually pits me against everyone I invited and I'm stuck with randoms. Feels bad man. Why even implement blatant opportunities for teamwork such as Juggernaut (<3 you Helscream) and Junkyard Dog when you can't play with your friends in a serious ranked match? That's like Halo randomly assigning teams in ranked MLG or something. If that actually happened...actually it would never happen, because it would make no sense.
But shit, I can't say a damn thing about what happens in the actual game. The framerate is super-smooth, netcode makes it feel like fucking local 99% of the time and is probably the best I've ever seen, gameplay is amazingly well thought-out, soundtrack is ace, etc... The problems are solely with functionality. The gameplay is that of one of the best multiplayer games ever made. Yeah I went there.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I can confirm that using PSN+ with this for patching your game corrupts the patch. I had to delete and redownload in order to connect to the servers.
Helscream
Banned
Interesting. I had no idea that Tri-Gun did 150 points of damage how freaking ridiculous. I thought it did 100 Points of damage total. But maybe that is something else I have noticed that was changed from the Demo. Like Darkside alt special use to do 75 points of damage in the demo. I also noticed that Darkside ram is kinda bugged. It mostly does 78 points of damage and says "Turbo Ram Damage". But when I ram a vehicle like reaper it will do 85 points of damage and say "Darkside Slam!" in orange. Also the Juggernaut Swarmer Missile turret either needs some tweaking. That turret is a pain in the ass to use and even if you nail someone you only do like 80 points of damage. Where as the Tri-Gun turret does so much more effective damage its laughable how weak in comparison the Swarmer turret is. I actually preferred the "Meat-Grinder" was that shown in the Trailers. Like a Anti-Air Battery or something.
Right now I just hope that the wonder patch will come that allows parties/clan mates to stay together on the same team in ranked games. Stuff like a good Junkyard Dog player can make a huge difference on the battlefield. Right now I am not playing as much simply because I want something more than just solo play.
EDIT: Something else I would like to say about Axel. I noticed when watching a video that it seems like your regular Ram Damage will stack on top of War Wheel damage. Which might explain why Axel does so much damage. I would prefer it to be 50, 60, 70, 80 etc etc. Because you have to think at the difficulty of how much effort you have to put into getting that second ram, third ram, and fourth ram. I mean imagine if Darkside was coming at you full speed then used the special. You would have a 45-60 point regular Ram damage stacked on top of the special which does 78-85 points. So your looking at 123-145 damage in a single ram. I know for a fact this is not the case with Darkside because his special won't do any damage unless you have a head start or already have built up some momentum. Axel's WarWheel does not need really any momentum or speed to do the damage it does. Also let us not forget the infamous "temporary frozen stuck in one spot cannot move" moments when you get touched by a WarWheel. Then when you add the extra maneuverability that Axel has with that jump. I think that is sufficient evidence to prove that Axel needs some tweaking. A similar comparison would be Deathwarrant/Roadkill.
Same. Journey is fucking brilliant though. Kinda want Motorstorm RC, but dunno how I'll like it, a demo could sell me.
Tweaks that were needed. Wish I could see the difference, but my ps3 freezes too often now to be bothered. Some time away could also be good for now. I will certainly come back as it is one of the best multiplayer games
Motorstorm rc is kinda cool. I probably sat there for 2 hours yesterday just trying to better my friends time on one track in the demo. It reminds me of Burnout crash in a good and bad way.
You do know theres a demo right?
The game sells a quarter of a million copies in two weeks and its somehow dead? I don't know man that seems hyperbolic. The last patch seems to have fixed a lot of issues for a lot of people. Its not perfect but its playable online.
The game will likely break a million units when all is said and done. Some online issues have to be ironed out but that doesn't mean that the franchise is dead. In fact I would say it the healthiest its been in a long time.
Really! I couldn't find it. I'll look harder.
Are you still getting freezing in TM, now that I'm out of the equation?
Really! I couldn't find it. I'll look harder.
Are you still getting freezing in TM, now that I'm out of the equation?
So far so good. But really every game the passed few days have froze when you are in the same room. Like yesterday I joined ur room and it froze so I was just like fuck it didn't bother to hop back on, But then I read on here you just had a freeze. Another room I was in went all janky and fucked up till it finally froze then I read that you joined and also froze... Wtf is going on?
Hmm, I'll delete the patch and try to download it manually. 4(3?) patches no changes seems fishy to me so I'll see if this changes anything.
The one thing I hate is how fucked my stats are. They never update, when they do it's not accurate, I STILL don't have my fucking unlock points so I can never play as Vermin or use certain sidearms or even a fucking skin.
Think the last patch makes everything unlock at lvl30.
It'll be under game data on the xmb.
MAKE SURE IT'S THE ONLINE GAME patch AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, YOU'LL DELETE YOUR ONLINE RECORD.
I must have hit rank 27 3 times over by now but the game never remembers, hit 29 today somehow. The game has been boring so far because there's a small amount of games where everyone sucks.
Edit: So I log on today and randomly get the Rank 30 trophy and unlocked my absorption shield. Still don't have most of the stuff in tier 1 so whatever, I don't care anymore. I mostly play Junkyard and Warthog anyway, someone hit me up for a match later tonight.
The Xtortionist
Member
Worst case scenario, you can make a clan yourself and use the GAF tag. Only the clan name needs to be unique.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
I wonder if deleting and starting from scratch will be the only fix for these glitched trophies.
The Xtortionist
Member
Just has my first run in with a Talon player. Hesitant to call him overpowered, but he's annoying as fuck to fight against. Having to look up is a major pain if a ground enemy attacks you, and Talon has a ton of cover options where you generally don't have any. He can engage completely on his terms.
Schwowsers
Member
When does Axel unlock for those who didn't preorder? 30 Days have already passed. Is it something that will be added to the store on Tuesday?
Hopefully this week.. But just like everything else twisted metal, It'll probably be delayed broken or just plain forgotten about.
Don't know what it is but seeing a weak Darkside trying to run away is funny, Reminds me of a fat dog running away with its tail between it's legs.
Had a pathetic game were these guys would only lose a slither of health then make a mad dash for health... Was so frustrating it was only 2on3, Man the fuck up and fight.
I expect him to somehow break, or be different then what people already have.
The pedestrian cars are really starting to get to me now, Warthog fucking gets stuck on them because for some reason ANYTHING can get under him. What the fuck am I supposed to do if the brave little sweet tooth decides to ram me and he's literally under me, pushing me while shooting.
Revolutionary
Member
Did anyone get that 30 day win trophy? I swear I did it for something like 32 days (had the game a day early) but I gave up on it because it didn't pop. I bet it's because of some timezone bullshit that they overlooked.
The Xtortionist
Member
Yep. Should just read "play an online game on 30 different days".
And the ranked trophies should be patched to unlock in unranked as well.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
The progressive online trophies are all surprise surprise, borked!
For some they pop up right on cue, for others they pop up way early or way late, for others they never pop up at all.
What vehicles do you guys main so far? For me when I'm not Warthog, I'm usually JYD. When Axel is out then he'll become my official secondary since I find the rest of the cast pretty boring in comparison. I don't like the sameish vehicles using the same specials with small differences.
Helscream
Banned
Right now I normally pick Reaper, Sweet Tooth, or Darkside. It really depends on what map, the design and the size of the map. Roadboat is great where you can throw people off the level. Certain vehicles like Meatwagon and Outlaw as well as Death Warrant are even-steven well rounded vehicles. So those vehicles are not as entertaining than others, but there is less risk in using them IMO. Sometimes I will use JYD and find a high spot to snipe. Then just hurl health bombs out on the map to heal team members if they know what a health bomb is.
Also I found a neat 3-part interview with David Jaffe from State of Play. Thought it was worth posting. A little bit over a hour overall.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C86usbPYVLI
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93TucWys-jQ
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0bcgyq0TnM
Also I found a neat 3-part interview with David Jaffe from State of Play. Thought it was worth posting. A little bit over a hour overall.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C86usbPYVLI
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93TucWys-jQ
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0bcgyq0TnM
The Xtortionist
Member
Jaffe update: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGS15m7KEGQ&feature=g-u-u&context=G2776dc9FUAAAAAAAEAA
Not going to be any changes to allow parties to play together in ranked. : (
Not going to be any changes to allow parties to play together in ranked. : (
Bumblebeetuna
Member
27-0 with Juggs on Stadium. Was going to use Warthog but saw an enemy pick Juggs to switched to him as well. Feels good man.
Helscream
Banned
Sigh. Well all that depth is null and void now. Off to a endless stream of numb-nut dumb asses who don't want to get into the Juggernaut, neither get healed by a Junkyard Dog, neither help bring a team mate into or out of battle with Talon. I agree with 99% of what comes out of Jaffe. But this I would strongly advise reconsidering. You could hold onto the argument of Unranked games, but 95% that are available when I browse the server are Ranked games. Even if GAF was to team up and train inside Unranked games. How would we ever execute those strategies in real time when 95% of the player base are inside ranked games? Unless someone comes up with a rebuttal I will just my argument as is. But I am extremely disappointed with this.
The Xtortionist
Member
Yeah I think GAF teams could really do some damage. I think we all have mics, you play Juggs, etc... Too bad no one gives a shit about unranked.
Not that anyone important will read this, but I'll propose three changes that would act as a band-aid fix to this problem:
1. Bring XP progression to unranked matches (same XP level and unlocks are shared across ranked/unranked). Add host option to unlock everything for players in that lobby and a filter for this option, so fans of previous unranked games can use whatever without having to rank up.
2. Patch ranked trophies to be unlockable in unranked. This should be a no-brainer I think.
3. Extend in-game stat tracking to unranked (separate from ranked but combined behind the scenes for trophies).
This would make unranked much more appealing to the general player. Skill would still apply in ranked, so solo players looking for a balanced match can get their fix.
Thoughts?
Helscream
Banned
I understand the reasoning for having a skill ratio/number system and using it to help balance teams. But this type of idea is really only effective in games where all the players that join are absolutely random and are not part of group. I still think that with the ability to browse servers at will and find a game specified to your liking. This can also include whether to willingly join or leave a room/lobby that has a pre-made group/clan in the lobby.
The point I really want to stress is that strategies/tactics in a game that has depth evolved from at least two players getting together and coordinating a proposed idea and trying to cement that idea reality to improve the probability of victory.
Also I understand that balance exist to make a game fair for every player and give them the equal possibility of fun. And when I say this I use it to express the reality of the situation. I have had more fun healing a Gaf member (Or have them getting in the Trailer of my Juggernaut) then going 72-3 in a Unranked match of Deathmatch. As much as I love this game's multiplayer. I find myself longing more and more for intense teamplay. Even if I go 11-0, 15-0, 27-0 or whatever kinda of absurd K/D ratio that can be achieved. It really does not compare to the amount of fun that can be had with teammates. I'd much rather for 2-0 with JYD with 9 assist If that meant my health bombs played a critical role in my team winning a match of Team-related mode.
To address the points your made;
1.) I always viewed Unranked games as "Don't give a F$%K" type environment. It servers the purpose of you being able to be careless and play however you like without having to worry about that reflecting onto your leader board stats. I don't really mind your idea. Simply because the game is so balanced, I can still kick ass with Tier 0 vehicles if I understand the game play mechanics. The only thing that can give a player a real advantage is Kill-Streaks.
2.) This I will say yes. Because people regardless will find a cheap way to earn trophies regardless of how difficult your make the prerequisites.
3.) I would actually like to see this. Simply because back when I played Unreal you had Ranked/Unranked Leaderboards. So there are available stats there, even if they are not valuable as ranked stats.
BurningNad
Member
Annnnd there went the last shot at me coming back to multi aside for just shits and giggles. What a shame.
The Xtortionist
Member
Yeah TM is a balanced game as is and even still, there still would be a host option to just unlock everything for the whole lobby. Can't see anyone having a problem.
As for trophies, I can't see the logic behind rewarding wins in modes where you can't control the outcome. I mean, in FFA its fine since you're the only one affecting whether you win or lose. But why require the player to win team games when you get random teammates? I played 5 games of TDM the other night (4am lol) and only won one. I went positive and had most or near the most damage in each one. I can't control who I get to play with in ranked, so the idea of requiring me to win not one, not two, but ten games in a variety of team-based modes under these conditions makes no sense to me.
Not sure if these fixes would be more or less difficult to implement than parties in ranked (since Jaffe made it sound like the whole skill system would have to be redone basically) but if it's doable by the TM post-launch team, maybe it should be considered. I'll tweet the thread at Jaffe. No idea if he'll get it, but it's worth a try.
Noisepurge
Member
The save marked "Twisted Metal" or "Twisted Metal Game Data" ?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Servers been down all day for anyone else?
Sucks for anyone going for the 30 days of wins trophy and could only play in the morning. I wonder if ESP has even noticed.
Sucks for anyone going for the 30 days of wins trophy and could only play in the morning. I wonder if ESP has even noticed.
Yep down for me to. And this is bullshit jaffe don't have a clue whats going on half the time we need someone on twitter that does.
Helscream
Banned
Yea servers are down. I might actually try to get the gold medals to unlock Warthog if the servers are down for a long time.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Well they're down because routine maintenance at 2am lastnight went south according to Davids twitter. Hence Sony dun fucked up the servers.
BurningNad
Member
I think today was the last day my friend needed for that trophy. This is why trophies like that should never, ever be put in any game. Ever.
Revolutionary
Member
The game is depressing. The gameplay is pretty much perfect, aside from Havok physics oddities, but there were some questionable design decisions in the campaign and the online is/was a trainwreck for most. I had my fun with it, sure, but only because I had the patience to sit through error message after error message until I got into a game.
It could've been so much more, and it's a shame to think that a simple beta test could've alleviated most of the problems we're still seeing today.
What a shame.
Also, fuck that 30 day win trophy! I maintain that it's because someone overlooked timezones, because I played in the AM quite a bit.
Helscream
Banned
Yea it is. Really wished Twisted Metal would have made a serious comeback, but deep down inside I knew even if the game was perfect. The majority of players are not ready for a game like this. As dumb as that sounds, I think it holds a lot of truth. In terms of depth and complexity as well as balance I will always defend this games multiplayer. But Team/Party thing has me really pist off. Like I haven't been this pist since Killzone 3 tried to follow the COD trend.
The Xtortionist
Member
I'm hoping that the next Twisted Metal launches with at least the online functionality that Halo 2 had back in 2004.
harsh, I know, but I would have the same hopes for any multiplayer game.
harsh, I know, but I would have the same hopes for any multiplayer game.
Theres still the carmageddon reboot And doing 200k+ in the first month im sure has raised a few eyebrows at a few puplishers. Im really hoping a few developers step up. It's proven there is a market out there for carcombat games. Mean come on! In the words of jaffe, "cars and guns thats the shit".
And doing 200k+ in the first month im sure has raised a few eyebrows at a few puplishers. Im really hoping a few developers step up. It's proven there is a market out there for carcombat games. Mean come on! In the words of jaffe, "cars and guns thats the shit".