FunkyMunkey
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I really can't believe how many people are backing the shooter in this and tarnishing the reputation of a DEAD 17 year old kid WHO DID NOTHING WRONG.
WTF America?
WTF generalizations?
I really can't believe how many people are backing the shooter in this and tarnishing the reputation of a DEAD 17 year old kid WHO DID NOTHING WRONG.
WTF America?
I agree with this post 100%. I never liked the huge emphasis on the races. I've followed the story from the beginning and I'm quite colorblind myself. I saw the lack of justice. But then people put so much emphasis on the race issue, it made me think that the people who do that might be the ones themselves who have prejudices. Because if race is all you see, then you're not colorblind yourself. I personally don't see the difference in this crime whether it was a hate crime or not.Maybe I am different than others here, in that I don't think Zimmerman was racist - or maybe not overtly racist. I feel like he was just a foolish guy pumped up on bravado and the idea of being a cop, and saw an opportunity - and maybe at one point subconsciously made some racial profiling or whatnot. But I don't think he's going around wanting to kill black people or anything. His crime is killing a kid unjustly, the degree of his racism is irrelevant, and I'd rather it not be discussed at all. The police fuck up is important, whether or not he was intoxicated is important, the screaming voice (that if I am honest, I can't imagine belonging to anyone else but the victim) is important. Whether or not he falls on a 2 or a 5 on a 6 point racist scale? Not so important.
I really can't believe how many people are backing the shooter in this and tarnishing the reputation of a DEAD 17 year old kid WHO DID NOTHING WRONG.
WTF America?
maybe he was crying because he thought he might be going to jail for his fuck up?
Pretty much; here's an earlier post of mine on this:Instead sites like Foxnews are focusing on how awful they think Obamas comment about Trayvon looking like his son...if he had one. They're also pushing the angle that the law that allowed this idiot to shoot an unarmed kid is a good one and shouldn't be examined/changed. Typical conservative behavior "Sorry this happened, but stay the fuck away from our guns!"
Not overtly racist? I heard him say "fucking coons" on the 911 tape.
Eh, I feel like jumping to that sort of a conclusion off an extremely fuzzy 1sec track is a bit much, he could have said a lot of things.
Also, who says coons? I thought it was just old people
Eh, I feel like jumping to that sort of a conclusion off an extremely fuzzy 1sec track is a bit much, he could have said a lot of things.
Also, who says coons? I thought it was just old people
Someone with some fucking sense could be in charge of toting the gun around for Neighborhood Watch, for starters.Gated community.
Black teenager on the sidewalk.
Well what did you THINK was going to happen?
Someone with some fucking sense could be in charge of toting the gun around for Neighborhood Watch, for starters.
What's important to state here is that, even according to a former state Congressman who helped pass FL's "Stand Your Ground" gun law, Zimmerman lost his defense the instant he claimed he was going to pursue Martin. Not to mention, the police also told him to stay put. Even if Martin did instigate Zimmerman in some fashion, I sincerely doubt it would have elevated to the level that it did had Zimmerman just listened to the fucking dispatcher. He wasn't even in danger.
Eh, I feel like jumping to that sort of a conclusion off an extremely fuzzy 1sec track is a bit much, he could have said a lot of things.
Also, who says coons? I thought it was just old people
And now the new black panthers have placed a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman?
A bounty, really. suddenly Sean Payton has a new job....
Stay classy panthers.
What?And now the new black panthers have placed a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman?
A bounty, really. suddenly Sean Payton has a new job....
Stay classy panthers.
Reuters said:Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, shot Trayvon Martin, 17, in what he said was self defense during an altercation in the gated community Zimmerman was watching on February 26 in Sanford, Florida. After attracting little notice initially, the case gained widespread attention, sparking protests and renewing a national debate about race.
Who even follows the Black Panthers?
You know what? Let me see what Westboro Baptist Church has to say about this. I need my radical news straight for the source!
What is a white hispanic?
What?
The Saints "bounty" program encouraged the injury of others.
This bounty is for his capture to face charges. No intent of harm implied.
Who would try to capture Zimmerman anyway? He'd just shoot you and get off for it.
Don't you mean Little Ricky?Lucy Ricardo.
I personally view it as a poetic statement - that George Zimmerman is a fugitive from justice.It's still a ridiculous bounty - the authorities know where he is, who are they turning him over to?
Naw, I was just making a bad joke that Zimmerman is as Hispanic as a White woman who marries a Hispanic.Don't you mean Little Ricky?
If anything is hypocritical and disingenuous it's those type of "what if" rhetorical scenarios.
I don't understand what you are getting at. Race is a factor in this case because of the 911 tapes and the history of 911 calls Zimmerman made in the past. We also have Zimmerman feeling a super skinny black kid walking in the rain is reason enough to phone the police. His history indicates that this is race related and to dismiss it by saying "well a white person killing a black person doesn't have to be a race issue" is stupid because it is clear in this case race was the dominant factor.
As for your example, I think a lot of posters like myself would still be mad as the idea of castle doctrine and stand your ground is a foreign concept for many people outside of the States.
- Zimmerman and his friend admitted there has been break-ins in their neighborhood.
- Some of the break-ins were committed by African Americans.
- Zimmerman labeled him as being suspicious. Note: Trayvon put his hoodie when he noticed Zimmerman was following him.
- He may have uttered a racial slur in the 911 tapes.
- Zimmerman may have been targeting black males.
There's really nothing to suggest that Trayvon was suspicious. Zimmerman viewed him as a treat to the community and decided to call the police.
Your analogy makes no sense and is terrible because it isn't close to an opposite approximation of even the most tortured interpretation of what we know about what happened here.
Oh I do, make no mistake.
Also, this hypothetical is not a reversal of the situation at all and for many reasons. Chiefly that Martin was just walking home, not robbing anyone. He was not a criminal. Does that make sense to you?
LOL
The alternate universe hypothetical double standard that can't exist because your scenario doesn't? If I spin on my fucking head while smoking crack in a Deion Sanders "must be the money" suit, ehh yeah I can kinda see it then.
What makes it even worse is that you present a hypothetical situation in which you assert you know what the desired outcome would be, showing that your mind was already made up when you entered this thread, and that you're a waste of time to engage beyond an initial shaming.
First of all if it were a black man who shot a kid he would be detained immediately, and the kid WAS not on the guys property trying to rob him.. If he were this wouldn't even have been a story. If the roles were equally reversed in your magically world the media would be all over this... And the black Zimmerman would have been arrested so fast it wouldn't be funny. For blacks this strikes too close to the times where a white man (not that Zimmerman is white per se) could kill a black man and pretty much get away with it with little to no hassle. So of course the black population and people who understand the entirety of the struggles are going to be very vocal about this turn of events... After that the media sees it as a story worth running... Because the story didn't get much steam until citizens became more vocal..
As for the question of race and would the white kid be given as much compassion... Maybe you don't remember the case where the woman blindly claimed that her kids were kidnapped by some random black guys.. The nation was VERY supportive of the woman until it came out that she killed her own children..
Race would be questioned but yes there is a double standard because A: white people werent slaves, lesser citizens until 40 years ago and B racial profiling tends to benefit white teenagers more so than harm them..
Because the playing field isn't equal a reverse situation cannot be equal as well... But I promise if the white teenager was minding his own business and got blasted for it the media would have been ALL over the story from day one
Is this the same hypothetical world where black people have majority power, colonized, enslaved, jim crow'd, denied rights, overlooked legacy context, and ignorantly tried to draw the most inane and shallow comparison of race relations?
At least self-proclaimed racists can be identified. Comments like this is profoundly damaging to race relations and improving dialogue. Instead, it flagrantly flaunts one's insufficient knowledge and comprehension.
This few paragraphs of bullshit is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on GAF or anywhere and it makes absolutely NO SENSE in the context of what happened to Trayvon.
You and your shitty post have already been far more comprehensively owned by people far more eloquent than I, but I just wanted to chime in and say you should be ashamed of yourself.
So.... I'm guessing bringing up a hypothetical where Trevor Martin was the one with the gun, acting as the aggressor with the gun, and who happened to kill someone without a gun was still too subtle a giveaway?
What does this refer to? Did I miss something?After reading the updates on the case I'd have to agree that this guy might walk. Even if the official report of Treyvon being on top fighting Zimmerman were completely true I find it hard to justify shoot an unarmed person in a fight. The kid was 17 and Zimmerman was 28. It doesn't add up. The switch up of the second witnesses statement raises suspicion as well.
The family may at least try a civil suit if nothing comes of this.
His friend on the today show said someone was going to die that day.
Good Morning America playing up the "shooter's side of the story" today, with Zimmerman's legal advisor and his Black Friend (TM) both referencing evidence not yet released that will exonerate him.
What is a white hispanic?
What is a white hispanic?
Good Morning America playing up the "shooter's side of the story" today, with Zimmerman's legal advisor and his Black Friend (TM) both referencing evidence not yet released that will exonerate him.
I think the only possible way they can begin to build a case of self defense in the face of his life being in danger is if they suddenly reveal Trayvon had a knife and was using it.
I hope everyone is clear that the initial police report didnt state any injuries to zimmerman.
You don't need a weapon to put someone's life in danger.
Lol, because a 17 year old kid who was half his size could put his life in danger. Remember who was killed here, jesus christ.
The law and the case law decides when people can use deadly force, and the bar isn't very high here. You can shoot someone dead in Florida, and in many states, for punching you, period.
In Florida, you can PROBABLY shoot someone dead for TRYING to punch you and missing, with suspecting that he is going to try to punch you again. While he's naked enough that you can be 100% certain that he doesn't have a weapon and that there are no weapons other than yours available.
You don't need a weapon to put someone's life in danger. Not too similar, but in my town a bystander shot and killed someone who was beating a cop unconscious with their fists.
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The law and the case law decides when people can use deadly force, and the bar isn't very high here. You can shoot someone dead in Florida, and in many states, for punching you, period.
In Florida, you can PROBABLY shoot someone dead for TRYING to punch you and missing, with you merely suspecting that he is going to try to punch you again. While he's naked enough that you can be 100% certain that he doesn't have a weapon and that there are no weapons other than yours available.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
The law and the case law decides when people can use deadly force, and the bar isn't very high here. You can shoot someone dead in Florida, and in many states, for punching you, period.
In Florida, you can PROBABLY shoot someone dead for TRYING to punch you and missing, with you merely suspecting that he is going to try to punch you again. While he's naked enough that you can be 100% certain that he doesn't have a weapon and that there are no weapons other than yours available.
The law and the case law decides when people can use deadly force, and the bar isn't very high here. You can shoot someone dead in Florida, and in many states, for punching you, period.
In Florida, you can PROBABLY shoot someone dead for TRYING to punch you and missing, with you merely suspecting that he is going to try to punch you again. While he's naked enough that you can be 100% certain that he doesn't have a weapon and that there are no weapons other than yours available.
I know the law is bogus and needs to be thrown out but lets not resort to hyperbole.
I know the law is bogus and needs to be thrown out but lets not resort to hyperbole.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the others imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.