If a $50 price drop were all it took to turn those games into system sellers... well, I think Vita would be doing better than it is now.
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If a $50 price drop were all it took to turn those games into system sellers... well, I think Vita would be doing better than it is now.
njean777
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And price mattered for the 3ds, it had all these problems and people saw them. When the price dropped the sales went up.
You may be right, but only time will tell.
Eh? As a hardcore gamer I've played more Vita then I have 3DS. If anything the Vita is a more hardcore machine because of its online features and broader library. Any hardcore gamer not interested in the Vita is a fool or forcing a negative opinion on a device because they can't afford it.
Vita is easy to develop for and port to and has a completely different market than the smartphone crowd. You're not going to want to blow a shit load of money developing exclusively for the Vita, but even at its current install base can be profitable for developers who actually know how to manage finances and scope of their projects.
chickdigger802
Banned
So reggie appeared on my 3ds and helped me out in find mii to last week.
Vita needs Kaz popping up during 1 year anniversary.
Vita needs Kaz popping up during 1 year anniversary.
Vita needs Monster Hunter.
Can't stress enough how important this one franchise is to a system's life, but yeah...
If Kaz doesn't want to go down in history as the "Vita failure guy" then he needs to pour a bottle of gold in Capcom's cups.
Also get Black Ops 2 on par with the PS3 version and you may be able to save the system in the west too.
These games will breed more third party support.
Can't stress enough how important this one franchise is to a system's life, but yeah...
If Kaz doesn't want to go down in history as the "Vita failure guy" then he needs to pour a bottle of gold in Capcom's cups.
Also get Black Ops 2 on par with the PS3 version and you may be able to save the system in the west too.
These games will breed more third party support.
This won't happen.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
A memory card needs to be packed in as well since it is required to boot games or use internal features of the machine.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The thing about Monster Hunter is... it was a big title and a massive success for the PSP precisely because its rival, the DS, wasn't capable of running it.
Things are different this time around. The 3DS already has two Monster Hunters. If the PSV ends up having a Monster Hunter, the same success isn't guaranteed because the 3DS already has 2 of that series. It's no longer as special.
It's also worth nothing that the DS ended up outselling the PSP in Japan - even without MH.
Things are different this time around. The 3DS already has two Monster Hunters. If the PSV ends up having a Monster Hunter, the same success isn't guaranteed because the 3DS already has 2 of that series. It's no longer as special.
It's also worth nothing that the DS ended up outselling the PSP in Japan - even without MH.
It's way too early to say anything about the Vita and third party support but "they can't afford it" is completely uncalled for.
Exterminieren
Banned
It won't have the same success in terms of raw sales figures, but the point of MH is to get the public to use their Vita outside with others. That sparks interest in the device. PSP blew up in Japan because of this.
So right now, there is nothing better than MH as a system seller. It's not even debatable and I'm sure Sony knows that. Of course, it's all down to Capcpom.
But you can skip lunch to afford a new $599 PS3!
Or maybe, just maybe, it has no software that interests me. The Vita hardware itself is impressive, but I don't pick up consoles just on the basis of technological affirmative action.
Been noticing that a lot on GAF recently. It's like some people literally drop in on the last page of a thread, think that nobody could have possibly said the same thing they said, drop their two cents, and then leave.
timetokill
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Sony need to be in panic mode in Japan at least, and put all their A-teams on Vita games. 3rd parties aren't saving them this time so they've got to rely on themselves if they want to compete with the 3DS. Sadly I don't see this happening, but I'll give them to E3/TGS before I start saying it's anywhere near dead.
yurinka
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Regarding the it haz no gamez, this device had maybe the best launch line up ever seen in a game device. There are a lot of great announced games from a lot of popular IPs, and even major developers like Rockstar who didn't announced anything said they are working on Vita games. Obviously we'll see announcements in TGS, E3, etc.
PS Suite are basically Android apps optimized for PS Certified devices. These apps are approved and certified by Sony, but other than that, they are/will be just Android games (in addition to the PSOne emulator). All major mobile phone publishers support it.
PS Suite are basically Android apps optimized for PS Certified devices. These apps are approved and certified by Sony, but other than that, they are/will be just Android games (in addition to the PSOne emulator). All major mobile phone publishers support it.
Wait...the Vita doesn't even come with all the necessary components to boot a game?
DangerousDave
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Even if that would be great, I don't think that the sales of Vita are bad because of the lack of memory card pack, or that bundle a memory card will enhance their sales.
DCharlie
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Right - just to add - Mario Land 3DS is "technically" b-team and Monster Hunter 3G is outsourced, so ... C team? (i know this is a huge discredit, but i'm just playing the "knobber" game).
Can i give solid proof ? of course i can't. But the alternative is that Sony literally have nothing, the third parties literally have nothing, and that everyone has decided that the platform is dead and we'll have a Nuon/sidetalking level failure of a major *SONY* platform. In the realms of probabiliy it's unlikely - it may struggle for sure, the PSP wasn't exactly a garden of win, but this whole notion that we have to *prove* that the Vita isn't a barren wasteland from now until it gets canned next month ? I dunno , seems unrealistic.
I guess it comes down to this : do even the biggest Vita/Sony haters think that Sony will continue to let the Vita wallow and do you think there's literally nothing of interest ever coming to the Vita.
IF you do - you're a fucking idiot. Simple as that.
Fuck all this "you are attacking other peoples thought out opinions!"
NO - if you think there's literally NOTHING coming to the Vita, nothing that would be of ANY interest. You ARE a fucking idiot. Take up knitting or something, because you've no fucking clue what you are talking about.
OldJadedGamer
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No, out of the box the Vita won't boot some games without buying an extra accessory.
Agent X
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I don't think people are expecting an identical path to recovery. People brought up the slow start of the 3DS to illustrate how a system can overcome the obstacles and pitfalls that occur during the launch period. Regardless of how much better the 3DS sales were than the Vita, there was still some genuine concern about it.
The Vita may have a steeper hill to climb, and might never reach the heights of previous systems like the DS or even the PSP, but I certainly don't think it's "unsalvageable" like some of the drive-by trolls want to portray it.
Yes, that's what I think.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. There are a few drive-by trolls that allegedly hate Sony and their systems with every fiber of their being...yet at the same time have enough of an obsession with them that they feel the urge to barge into Sony-focused threads and trot out their little sales charts.
There's no doubt that there are differences (both in favor of and against Sony), and the Vita has challenges ahead, but they're not insurmountable. If people are truly interested in constructive conversation, then it would be great for them to acknowledge these differences, and suggest what path(s) of action Sony could take to steer the ship on what they believe would be the right course. We've seen some people do that, but the other "drive-bys" are just interested in posting graphs and charts and ducking out of the thread again.
Here's the thing, as much as you don't like it: "graphs and charts" are more substantive than the aforementioned "there's more stuff somewhere at some time" - which really does seem to be the gist of the argument for Vita optimism.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
In the slowest period of the year. Odd that games aren't burning onto the shelves by the dozen.
Colonel Mustard
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I can afford a Vita.
I have no interest in buying a Vita because the line-up really isn't robust.
Different opinions, how do those work.
So I've been thinking about this stuff. Let's say we live in a magical world where the Vita and 3DS don't exist anymore. That people are only willing to play phones/pc/consoles/tablets, whatever.
What happens to the kind of games you get on these things? Do they just stop making them? I could see something like Sound Shapes or Rhythm Thief end up on phones/tablets, but does something like Bravery Default or Kid Icarus just stop existing? Maybe it leads to Japan embracing more of the PSN/XBLA/NintendoWare route?(Which would be amazing but doesn't seem to be the case)
What happens to the kind of games you get on these things? Do they just stop making them? I could see something like Sound Shapes or Rhythm Thief end up on phones/tablets, but does something like Bravery Default or Kid Icarus just stop existing? Maybe it leads to Japan embracing more of the PSN/XBLA/NintendoWare route?(Which would be amazing but doesn't seem to be the case)
Funny thing you say that they blew their load with all their big franchises. The lineup is "amazing" but why are hardware and software sales so abysmal??? If those games released were that big, they would be selling Vitas like crazy...what I am getting at is you seem to overestimate Sony's franchises, which obviously the public thinks otherwise.
Sony has absolutely nothing released or known to release that will sell this system on the levels the 3DS is doing now. All I know is the price has to come down too before I ever set eyes on a Vita.
Metallix87
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I think even Sony overestimates their own franchises.
Agent X
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Those are some of their big franchises. There are still many others like Gran Turismo, God of War, and LittleBigPlanet that haven't made an appearance on Vita yet. We know LBP and Resistance are coming, but don't know what other surprises are in the pipeline. E3 isn't too far off, and I'm sure that their plans for the second half of the year will be revealed there.
DiscoJer
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I really think Sony thinks they are as popular as Apple. That people will buy Sony products just because...
Metallix87
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That much is obvious. Haven't you seen their latest commercials for their new tablets?
Grinchy
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They have no idea that people buy their products because they are good instead.
OldJadedGamer
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It will be totally dependent on what first party teams Sony puts on these franchises. If they farm them out or get their top teams on them. So far, none of Sony's top tier dev teams have committed to working on the Vita.
Doesn't differentiate too much. It was originally a PS3 game.
DiscoJer
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Yeah, exactly - Sony at one time did have a reputation for very high quality products. But they've lost it to other companies
Their h/w are still great, but price is not so competitive. Software used to be terrible but they have improved these days. Still some ways to go in usability though.
Their marketing is not doing a great job positioning and pitching Sony's brands.
EDIT: If you look at Vita, some of the things actually surprised me in a pleasant way. Some more polish and the thing will shine.
Agent X
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With regard to the Vita, I'm starting to get sick of seeing the same few commercials over and over again.
I was watching WWE Raw the other day, and the Vita was advertised at almost every commercial break. That's definitely a good thing. The problem is that they literally showed the same commercial repeatedly every time! They have three ads right now (none of which are spectacular to begin with), and they just repeated one of them all throughout the show. Who approves of this?
At this point, it's time for some fresh new ads. I'd love if they had at least one or two game-centric ads. For example, an ad dedicated solely to Uncharted: Golden Abyss would make it seem like a real "event" (on the level of other Uncharted games), and legitimize the game in people's eyes. For a 30 second commercial, I'd focus on the game footage itself for the first 20-25 seconds, with no mention of the system at all...then in the last few seconds pull the camera back, show the game running on the portable device, and then flash "PS Vita" and the tagline. That's how I'd do it.
chickdigger802
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It also doesn't help that Vita looks a hell lot like psp (same problem with 3ds I bet), and it's hard to show off the smexy screen on tv.
James Sawyer Ford
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Media Molecule has.
Metallix87
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Have they?
I just don't think Sony should keep relying on PD and ND on everything. They are great at home consoles, but I prefer Sony to cultivate new teams for Vita.
The Gravity Rush dude seems great. If so, surround him with good people. In fact, I think Jenova Chen, the Rayman Origins people, Mutant Blobs put up an admirable effort too. It may take some time, but the new teams will be better for us in the long run.
The Gravity Rush dude seems great. If so, surround him with good people. In fact, I think Jenova Chen, the Rayman Origins people, Mutant Blobs put up an admirable effort too. It may take some time, but the new teams will be better for us in the long run.
To Far Away Times
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I could walk into the store and buy a Vita right now but I'll pass because I don't think the Vita has very compelling software. Almost all of Sony's first party efforts are outsourced. And the two titles that I am looking forward to the most on Vita, Bioshock and the new Cave shmup, are at best in pre-production and are a year or two off at the earliest.
It's not an issue of being "hardcore" (whatever that means), its an issue of actually being worth the money.
Agent X
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Believe me, they overdid it. I'm not really a fan of the current crop of Vita commercials, but after the fourth or fifth time I was wishing they would at least alternate one of the other commercials just to liven things up.
It's true. That's why they may want to start going with game-centric ads. Put the game out there front and center, get people salivating over the game, then at the end of the ad flash "PS Vita" on the screen and have a voiceover saying "Only on PlayStation Vita". That'll almost assuredly get the point across.
If someone sees the ad and still thinks after that, "Oh, this game is for my PSP!", then when he gets to the store he'll see "PS Vita" on the package, and perhaps inquire about it then.
lunchwithyuzo
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3D Land was developed by the same team as Galaxy 2 (EAD Tokyo Group 2). If that's B team, then everyone at SCEWWS are Z team.
Tri G was in fact outsourced to Eighting (who also did G Wii btw), but I maintain that the initial plans for it were probably quite a bit less than what it's turned into. Really, it's just a warm up for MH4, the fact it's solidified as an evergreen and (likely) multimillion seller in itself is a little beside the point.
ZombiePlatypus
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Oh my god no. The last thing I want is for my dedicated handheld gaming device to get an influx of throw-away cell-phone games. I'm sure just like the DS/3DS, Vita will get its fair share of shovelware as it is.
chickdigger802
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idk. There are a ton of really good platformers for ios that are limited due to virtual controls.
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