They mention that they're investing more in digital, so that should be fine.
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Sega announces extraordinary loss of 7.1 bn yen, layoffs, restructures, cancels games
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They mention that they're investing more in digital, so that should be fine.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I'd rather get Alpha Protocol 2 and Vanquish 2 over Beyonetta 2 right now. 
Sega Sammy Holdings (everything) is still forecasting profit of US$ 240 million for the fiscal year.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Look at what you're doing
https://twitter.com/#!/PG_kamiya/status/185751654946181120
If you guys know something you should share. If you can't you shouldn't talk to each other about it on a public forum. Shit is just cruel. :x
I'd rather get Alpha Protocol 2 and Vanquish 2 over Beyonetta 2 right now.
I'm not particularly hungry for a Bayonetta sequel myself, but if one was in production I wouldn't wish it cancelled.
They making Rising with Konami they ain't goin nowhere
I'd rather get Alpha Protocol 2 and Vanquish 2 over Beyonetta 2 right now.
obsidian is almost dead, man. :/
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I hope so. Then they can focus their prolific game output and their new and old IP's to other consoles. Totally can't wait for Panzer Saga 2 as a multiplatform release. Sonic on Nintendo will be off the CHAIN!
No downsides to going software only at all.
Haha, I almost got it right.
MrBelmontvedere
Member
sega is dead to me. let us turn our attention towards Nintendo, which actually has a snowballs chance in hell.
Impressive.
I would guess that they aren't restructuring Japan though since they already dropped almost all of their expensive console development there.
They can just drop Platinum's future contracts if Bayonetta 2 doesn't work out (and the Anarchy Reigns team regardless), and they're mostly done on that front since Yakuza is profitable, and I don't imagine their handheld games are very expensive.
That's a weird stance to take.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
"@PG_kamiya: Twitter. RT @Riot_Rhapsodya Speaking of Vanquish... In what are you working now Kamiya-San? Or are in a long holidays?"
The problem with kamiyas tweets is that he gets so many stupid questions daily you never know if his answers are taking the piss or honest.
That said, the truest things are said in jest. It's not a good sign either way if he is staing his new project is actually twitter.
The problem with kamiyas tweets is that he gets so many stupid questions daily you never know if his answers are taking the piss or honest.
That said, the truest things are said in jest. It's not a good sign either way if he is staing his new project is actually twitter.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Nintendo uses the money in their mattress to buy Sega, Bayonetta in the next Smash Bros., Outrun and Shenmue 3D announced for 3DS, Bayonetta 2 and Yakuza of the Mushroom announced as WiiU exclusives, Nagoshi produces the next Metroid.
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
...I'd actually pay for those.
What exactly is a AAA game development wise? The cost of developing average to large size 3D games with HD assets is still too expensive. Average being something like Bulletstorm or Vanquish. Large being something the size of Borderland, GTA and Saints Row.
A good majority of the games that failed to turn profits were not "AAA" nor did they try to be. Suggesting that publishers make more indie like games and save their HD budgets for a few "AAA" games is not a solution that I think you, or any other console gamer, would want.
I don't think you have a good idea about which games from this generation fall into the category of "not worth the budget" under those restrictions.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
As long as Platinum Game's Shinobi title is still in the works.
if only
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Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
None of those four "safe" franchises interests me in the slightest.
Femmeworth
Banned
Sega doesn't own the IP for Vanquish do they? Either way, this can't be good for Platinum Games. Atlus/Index should buy the Valkyria Chronicles team.
Atlus/Index should buy the Valkyria Chronicles team.FallingEdge
Member
Don't worry guys. Final Showdown is still safe.
Sega doesn't own the IP for Vanquish do they? Either way, this can't be good for Platinum Games.
don't worry, even with a healthy sega platinum games were going to be screwed someday. ;(
outunderthestars
Banned
I'd love to see someone else take a crack at a Skies of Arcadia game.
Sega doesn't own the IP for Vanquish do they? Either way, this can't be good for Platinum Games.
Atlus would be a perfect fit for the VC series/team.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Sega owns all the IPs Platinum developed or produced for them (Bayonetta, Vanquish, Madworld, Infinite Space, Anarchy Reigns).
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I'd like to see Kodama (re)partner with the Valkyria team using the HD Canvas engine on it. Then after Skies of Arcadia II they can do Phantasy Star V.
Tarin02543
Member
I blame this situation on the sale of used games.
outunderthestars
Banned
No one is buying SEGA. They will make it through this.. it's just part of a changing market that is bringing SEGA's profits down, but SEGA is good at adapting to changes =)
I'm personally expecting a lot more digital games, which isn't a bad thing.
Femmeworth
Banned
megashock5
Member
I still think Nintendo bringing Sega in house makes a certain amount of sense.
Beyond obvious fan-service stuff like Sonic , Ulala or Aiai in Mario Kart/Party/Smash, Nintendo doesn't usually tackle auto racing (MK is it's own thing), non-mascot fighters, or HOTD/Ghost Squad type of stuff. There are certain types of games Nintendo hasn't made, historically, and if Sega were to become another Retro Studios or Monster Games they could fill some of that void.
Plus, Sega devs can work on F-Zero, etc.
Femmeworth
Banned
I think Bayonetta 2 should be safe, since it was a relative success in the west, was it not?
It's not what we want, it's what keeps them making stuff period.
A loss on a smaller title hurts, a loss on a AAA title can shut down your studio.
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
Yakuza 3 did well enough that they brought Yakuza 4, which supposedly didn't do that well.
outunderthestars
Banned
Agreed 100%. Nintendo seems to have a better handle on maintaining IP, putting out a consistently high quality game, and marketing their games.
Sega really seems to be inept at almost all aspects of producing games now days.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Most of these devs that have closed or had big financial problems either 1) make shit games or 2) make games that cater to a niche/smaller market (i.e. Platinum).
Relaxed Muscle
Member
NO Bayonetta 2 means that this is one of the worst days in the gaming industry.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I'm worried Binary Domain's inevitable flop might sideline Yakuza Studio or at least Nagoshi. Plus it's not like the Yakuza games are really that huge in terms of success, worldwide they put up lower numbers than the Super Monkey Ball games did last gen and they cost orders of magnitude more to make.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
There's goes my dream for another Guardian Heroes
Code of Princess is as close as you'll get.
Clearly this is all due to the HD consoles, we need to go back to 8 bit gaming!!! Bull freakin crap, how about if Sega had games that sold well recently? How about if they got their management and house in order? Newsflash the global economy is not doing well, yes making games has gotten more expensive, and it will continue to do so, survival of the fittest. I'm a Genesis and Dreamcast owner so I want to see Sega succeed, but how about making some game that sell? That might help, not crying about going in reverse with technology. I can't even remember the last time I purchased a Sega game and I was a Jet Grind/Panzer owner day 1, but give us some games to get interested in Sega, and maybe market them???
Didnt someone from Treasure state that if HD showed there was still interest in the franchise, they would think about making another?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Thank god I will still get VF:FS
But yea, it seems that Sega doesn't know how to runs things and be lean and mean. Were they doing gangbusters last gen? I think blaming everything on HD development costs is too much. They have to adapt and change to make it work. Nothing is going back in time.
But yea, it seems that Sega doesn't know how to runs things and be lean and mean. Were they doing gangbusters last gen? I think blaming everything on HD development costs is too much. They have to adapt and change to make it work. Nothing is going back in time.
How is 'well they make niche games' supposed to be an argument? That means that niche games are not financially viable. Why does this make the news any less worrying? Especially as we gear up for another console launch.
And then you have people lamenting the idea that they might make iOS games instead. Deal with it. iOS games are lower budget and thus represent a lower risk, which is exactly what a company needs. And there's a slew of iOS games that prove that they can have just as much heart as any console game, if not moreso.
And then you have people lamenting the idea that they might make iOS games instead. Deal with it. iOS games are lower budget and thus represent a lower risk, which is exactly what a company needs. And there's a slew of iOS games that prove that they can have just as much heart as any console game, if not moreso.
SolarPowered
Member
This sucks. I can't put it any other way. Sega has become friendly towards the PC, Sonic is slowly getting back into shape and they've been releasing a lot of highly regarded titles with tons of Japanese flair. Hearing that they are in trouble is sad as hell...
Looks like I'll have to support Sega's good software more than before with my monies. They really deserve more and I want Bayonetta 2 baaaaad.
Looks like I'll have to support Sega's good software more than before with my monies. They really deserve more and I want Bayonetta 2 baaaaad.
This is what I'm personally hoping. Whatever Kamiya is working on, it probably got hit with the "Delay!" hammer just like Anarchy did. Of course, to Kamiya's team's benefit, it was never officially announced in the first place.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Beat me to it. Weird. I thought Sega had been turning things around with their recent software.