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Devs to CVG - 'WiiU CPU < PS360'; Nintendo - 'We don't focus on specs'
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Aside from the fact that THQ will be nothing but a memory by next gen, the budget is being tightened on every one of their games, and the team porting DS2 to Wii U is <5 people - be happy that the game is turning out slightly better than the PS360 counterparts.
Beyond that, however, read this post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36682203&postcount=15604
AndyMoogle
Member
Considering the context the uprezzing part was in, I'd say that he meant that they weren't improving any of the textures or models. I didn't take it as they wouldn't make the game run in a higher resolution. I'm not saying that I think that they will make the game run in 1080p on WiiU, but I didn't read that comment as if the console wasn't capable of running the game in 1080p.
test_account
XP-39C²
Indeed, and that most likely means that the majority of WiiU games wont be running in 1080p.
IBM's press release from last year:
The ONLY IBM processor that is made on a 45nm die, has out-of-order operations and has eDRAM is Power7. A SINGLE CORE Power7 @ 3.0GHz is capable of more operations than the entire Cell CPU in the PS3.
This rumor is full of shit. Please people, let it die. The press release above is CONFIRMED almost a year ago. Stop believing these stupid rumors that have no grounds in reality.
The ONLY IBM processor that is made on a 45nm die, has out-of-order operations and has eDRAM is Power7. A SINGLE CORE Power7 @ 3.0GHz is capable of more operations than the entire Cell CPU in the PS3.
This rumor is full of shit. Please people, let it die. The press release above is CONFIRMED almost a year ago. Stop believing these stupid rumors that have no grounds in reality.
Oh, it's the "Watson's brain" thing again.
This whitepaper is from the underlying basis for the Wii U's (very custom) CPU:
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/en/tgd03009usen/TGD03009USEN.PDF
I don't know where it went from there, but it's unrelated to any one specific Power ISA and from what we've gathered over the past year extremely customized. (Much as The PPE for Xenon/Cell was very customized from its Power ISA counterparts)
walking fiend
Member
Steam is still limited in terms of geographical penetration and also genres; not all games sell there.
Do you expect, say, next Sakaguchi jRPG to be a PC release?
Yes, it's customized, but it is still based on the core logic of their new technologies.
IBM does not backtrack with its technologies. Power6 has nearly all of Cell's advantages already imbedded into it. If you add even a few of Power7's features, you already have a processor more capable than Xenon/Cell.
It would cost more money for Nintendo to have IBM develop a CPU weaker than Xenon or Cell at this point, than it would to have one of greater performance. IBM is not going to go back to Power5 or so architecture to make Nintendo a weak CPU. It's either Power6 with added features, or Power7, which both of them will be capable of more floating point operations than either Cell or Xenon, clock for clock.
How did you confirm or come to the conclusion that this whitepaper relates to the Wii U? The last thing I have heard about the processor is the press release I posted above.
GAF user wsippel has done most of the digging in that regard. But if you look at the press release and look at that whitepaper, you can sort of see why.
Regardless, IBM, AMD, and Intel are all selling much lower-spec CPUs than what they do in their mainstream. IBM are still taking lots of orders for 476FPs and 470S, for example. Those are based on much older IBM designs and are designed for embedded applications.
They are both newer CPUs, based on IBM's SOI 45nm technology, and are "energy saving"... and what do you know, the IBM CU-45 monicker appears here too:
https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/D393643EC6B662E78525763200547AED/$file/476fp_wp_04_07_2011.pdf
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It's pretty clear that they're not going to be running Darksiders 2 in 1080p on the Wii U. I don't know how much the engine improved but the last title didn't require that much horsepower to run at 1080p/30fps on the PC. Space Marine, using the same Phoenix Engine, had no problems running at 2560x1440 on a 4850. DSO Gaming listed it as one of the most optimized PC games of 2011.
But again, that's not them saying that the console is not capable, just saying that they won't do it. They've been saying it since 2011.
"We have Darksiders II completely running on the Wii U right now, It took about five weeks. Coming into the show we were ready to go. We could have demonstrated it on the hardware but they [Nintendo] decided not to have full games shown in the booth"
"Our one and only goal once we got the Wii U hardware was to get Darksiders II running on it. We didn't even have running the game on the touch screen on our 'to do' list. but once we got it running, we just fooled around with getting it on the touch screen as a lark. It took all of five minutes and two lines of code, and boom! - there was the entire game running on the controller. Amazing."
"Our one and only goal once we got the Wii U hardware was to get Darksiders II running on it. We didn't even have running the game on the touch screen on our 'to do' list. but once we got it running, we just fooled around with getting it on the touch screen as a lark. It took all of five minutes and two lines of code, and boom! - there was the entire game running on the controller. Amazing."
That it would depend if they were given more budget and because of the problems and the layoffs at THQ and Vigil; doubt they'll randomly give them more money the Wii U version; when the core team still hasn't finished the other versions.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If it requires a large budget or large time investment compared to the other versions to upres the game on the Wii U then that implies that it's not easy to do. That directly contradicts the quote that said that it is easy to do because the Wii U is so powerful.
As noted already the team working on it is at like 5 people, so there's a difference between a larger budget and a large budget (considering also they the budget and team were made with the sole reason of just getting the game running on Wii U).
And they're still working on porting an unfinished game, so any development is also probably tied to that too. Guess when the game's finished in a month or two and they have the final version of the game coupled with final versions of the dev kits; they'll know more.
So with an expected WiiU launch in November how long does Nintendo have left to
finalize the dev kits and hardware specs
prepare for mass production
mass produce
and ship
?
edit
Nevermind I was reading the wrong post.
So as a stockholder as long as the bottom line is served as quickly as possible, neither progression nor stagnation nor regression matters.
Nintendo's been on that angle since the before the Wii. It's just been far more prevalent in Japan since the earthquake/tsunami.
BigTnaples said:
Reading comprehension fail. Unless all you read was the first post and decided to reply.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Shame. Sounds like the WiiU really is shaping up to be a disappointing, outdated and stale piece of hardware.
Oh well, I guess I will save some cash, but I gladly would have handed them my money to taste next gen.
Oh well, I guess I will save some cash, but I gladly would have handed them my money to taste next gen.
You sound surprised, when many tend to reply to threads based on the thread title... then blame the OP for the title.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
That is indead what I did.
Is there new information? I guess I will sift through the rest of the thread.
CadetMahoney
Member
this.
This they're referring to asset quality there (textures, models), not actual resolution.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Alright so I jumped around through the thread ( I am not reading all 20 pages), and I saw no new info... I saw some older quotes about how the WiiU is powerful, but those are old and have no bearing on this new news. Unless I am missing some key peice of information?
The WiiU will be underpowered, stale hardware if Nintendo is saying things like "We dont focus on specs" and "gameplay is what really matters".
To me that is code for, 'Yeah, WiiU games will look like absolute dogshit compaired to next gen games.' If the WiiU was a beast, Nintendo would say something like "Dont believe everything you hear" or "Wait until you see it in motion".
I really hope I am wrong, but nothing in this thread tells me otherwise.
Nintendo would be really stupid to say that because WiiU will obviously be less powerful than the other next gen consoles and they don't know by how much. Much better to undersell than oversell.
And even if these rumors from anonymous developers that contradict things trusted developers have said were true and WiiU was only about as powerful as a PS3, what would that matter if it has great games? It's not going to look like shit because it's going to be HD. Does this gen already look like shit? Eventually all graphics will suck because they'll never be as good as what you imagine the future will look like.
I'll be disappointed if these rumors are true, but it's a molehill.
I mean, this is what a GCN game looks like in HD: http://i.imgur.com/4maVr.jpg
Nintendo will be fine.
I still can't get over the similarities between this and the "Revolution" specs reveal threads from 2005. It's really just amazing.
And we are just weeks away from having another of those. Epic times indeed.
Don't you sound like a utopian industrialist...
No, but I'd certainly welcome it. I guess Gabe needs to hurry up with that steambox.
Yep, it really funny. Like the post now about its 2012 how can they released a system that cant beat a system from 2005. Because they want it cheap like the wii and low power/small size...that is now just like the wii was.
"Readers discouraged by Revolution's seeming lack of horsepower when compared to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 should remember that Nintendo is not interested in competing in the high-definition gaming arena, and as a standard-definition console, Revolution is more than capable. Capcom's Resident Evil 4 remains one of the most gorgeous games this generation and it ran on GameCube, a console at least half as powerful according to developer reports."
Best looking game this gen "gow 3" and wiiu should be able to do that.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Good Bridge from the Wii to the 'gext generation' PS360 indeed.
Some of you are just daft, to be honest, or enjoy getting a rise from trolling.
It's a got a CPU with OoO and EDRam, double to triple the memory of current consoles (depending on the leak you believe) and a GPU that admittedly needs to be optimized for (and still hasn't on most middleware) due to customized fixed-function hardware (in addition to its standard programmable shader hardware) and you still want to hang on the thread that the console has less to work with than the PS360?
It's a got a CPU with OoO and EDRam, double to triple the memory of current consoles (depending on the leak you believe) and a GPU that admittedly needs to be optimized for (and still hasn't on most middleware) due to customized fixed-function hardware (in addition to its standard programmable shader hardware) and you still want to hang on the thread that the console has less to work with than the PS360?
Not a real comparison though, that game has a very distinct style that masks any performance deficit...
Compare a GCN or even a Wii version of Madden or Fifa or whatever in HD won't like anywhere near as good as a next gen version of those games.
There is no need to be upset about, because it doesn't matter, there is nothing you'll be able to do about. Nintendo clearly chose gameplay over graphics, nothing wrong with that. But don't even try to say that games will even look nice when compared to other consoles. That's just silly.
The games will look nice. All I care about is that the games don't look blurry and and run at least 30fps and they push the system. When I bought a Wii, the games looked fine on my CRT. But my CRT broke, and LCD was cheaper and more available than CRT, and my Wii games don't look as great on it. Not unplayably bad, but I can see how some people can think "they look like shit."
But WiiU is an HD system and it won't have that problem. The games will look great because current HD games look great (except those ported by Konami
) and there isn't new TV standard coming that will radically change that. Plus Nintendo games have never been on this level of hardware, the situation just is not comparable to Wii.I think that Nintendo probably had the right priorities with the wii as far as profitability is concerned and I don't see them changing course with the wii U.
I agree with what SmokyDave said earlier about what the wii U would probably be like. It's got to be cheap and it can't produce a lot of heat, if they're keeping a similar form factor and price point as the original wii.
I agree with what SmokyDave said earlier about what the wii U would probably be like. It's got to be cheap and it can't produce a lot of heat, if they're keeping a similar form factor and price point as the original wii.
AndyMoogle
Member
Eh, it's not a fact that it won't be fairly powerful. It obviously won't be as powerful as the next Xbox or PlayStation, but to say that the games won't look nice compared to those consoles is kind of premature. We haven't seen one second of in-game footage from a game yet.
It's just usual Nintendo doom and gloom, but Nintendo triumphs in the end...to the comfort and dismay of people.
Good.
Have peeked at B3D to see if they have anything to say. Well, basically similar situation. Some people almost "demand" it can't be that weak, and some grounded techy mods are kinda leaning towards being what I said it is, Wii Underpowered.
When you're on top, people just want to watch you fall.
I can't be the only one who finds it extremely hard to believe that the Wii U's GPU has "less shaders" than the ones with which the PS360 tandem were launced. There's just no way to find an even semi-modern dedicated GPU which is that weak. Shit, today's integrated graphics shit on the RSX and Xenos.
Not saying it isn't true, but that's quite the "feat", if it is.
You seem salty.
Not saying it isn't true, but that's quite the "feat", if it is.
You seem salty.
$350 would be suicide
did you bother to read my username? it's SMUG for a reason.. it was supposed to be.. ya know, a little sarcastic... because everyone thinks they are authority.. I just like to shoot some holes in their sails.. it's fun... want to go sailing the sea's and drink some salty water now?