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[bgassassin]

Wow. Was what I said so bad haha. I am feeling dizzy thoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkkkkklkkkkkkk......

There we go.

*throws out weak poison*

Can't be a good assassin if I can't at least knock people out.

Oh and while the kick was for the joke, the poison was actually for putting yourself in the sun when that's my spot. >

 

[HylianTom]

I cannot wait for this hardware to be at home

no more mystery just playing and posting in software threads

Same here. This is getting more difficult, which is why I'm trying to spend more time playing actual games instead of lingering in here. I actually got in a few hours of gaming today when I wasn't packing things up. It was quite nice.

.,.

And I know that third parties can do a bang-up job. I'd like to see them brag some more about their games when they come to the Nintendo console. Advertise.

Nintendo has a role to play in repairing and building a relationship with third parties. They can offer to put an unobtrusive ad on the interface, or a preview video (or eight) in the Nintendo Channel. They can offer to help with the advertising budget for truly great third-party games. They can offer to help with the cost of preorder bonuses, and they can offer Club Nintendo currency and bonuses for these purchases. There's so much that they can do that will go a long way.

Meanwhile, we definitely know that they can compete with Nintendo's top tier of games. Go to Nintendo and ask for these things; they can afford it right now. And don't hesitate to spend some money on your own for advertising. Make sure that everyone knows that your game is AWESOME, and Nintendo-caliber.

(It still breaks my heart to this day that Zack & Wiki didn't sell so well. Heart-breaking. It deserved so much better.)

 

[NBtoaster]

Well snap here I thought being prudent about software development and setting rational goals about hardware capabilities was the best way to offset rising costs. Turns out gouging customers is the answer! What a glorious future!

DLC in merely an intermediate step. Games as a service is the future.

 

[TheNatural]

Then people would try to crack the system much more aggressively.

Also, shittier games that offer more coins will sell better than great games that don't have a lot of them.

Disapproval here. Get rid of anything resembling points from this sort of system. Just make the rewards specific to each unlocking task.

Personaly my idea of what Nintendo should do with acheivement type things is pretty simple.

Have a list of about 10 significant acheivements to hit in a game. Actual challenging stuff, like beating a game, hitting on the extras in it, doing something special in a level, etc. Nothing ridiculously hard, but enough to keep you honest past "You have Unlocked: Turning this game on Acheivement!"

Then when you hit them all for that game, you unlock something in another major game. Like say, you hit all the things in Super Mario Wii U so now when you play Smash Bros 4, you unlocked a new character in the game. Or maybe in Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or .. whatever. I think Smash Bros fits best though.

At least with Nintendo's own games they could tie them in somehow and make them worthwhile in another game that you play.

 

[BY2K]

That is IF they do achievements...

 

[Oddduck]

Same here. This is getting more difficult, which is why I'm trying to spend more time playing actual games instead of lingering in here. I actually got in a few hours of gaming today when I wasn't packing things up. It was quite nice.

.,.

And I know that third parties can do a bang-up job. I'd like to see them brag some more about their games when they come to the Nintendo console. Advertise.

Nintendo has a role to play in repairing and building a relationship with third parties. They can offer to put an unobtrusive ad on the interface, or a preview video (or eight) in the Nintendo Channel. They can offer to help with the advertising budget for truly great third-party games. They can offer to help with the cost of preorder bonuses, and they can offer Club Nintendo currency and bonuses for these purchases. There's so much that they can do that will go a long way.

Meanwhile, we definitely know that they can compete with Nintendo's top tier of games. Go to Nintendo and ask for these things; they can afford it right now. And don't hesitate to spend some money on your own for advertising. Make sure that everyone knows that your game is AWESOME, and Nintendo-caliber.

(It still breaks my heart to this day that Zack & Wiki didn't sell so well. Heart-breaking. It deserved so much better.)

There's another way to look at things right now.

Kid Icarus didn't even sell that great. It didn't bomb or anything, but it still didn't sell that great. So when games like Kid Icarus or Metroid Other M aren't selling tons of copies by Nintendo, I don't know if Nintendo is able to do much to help third party sales with advertising when some of their own games aren't selling like crazy.

Nintendo fans are just very selective on what they buy.

 

[HylianTom]

That is IF they do achievements...

I'd bet that they will. I hope they're like Steam, where you can keep track of a bulletpoint list of things that you've done. I still look at my Civilization 5 page from time to time and laugh at some of the goofy stuff that the game has asked me to do.

There's another way to look at things right now.

Kid Icarus didn't even sell that great. It didn't bomb or anything, but it still didn't sell that great. So when games like Kid Icarus or Metroid Other M aren't selling tons of copies by Nintendo, I don't know if Nintendo is able to do much to help third party sales.

Nintendo fans are just very selective on what they buy.

Thanks for the reality check. I have a bad habit of talking about Nintendo as though they have a Scrooge McDuck-like vault of money available. Nope.

Being picky is a good and a bad thing. Nintendo fans have great taste, but sometimes they let good games pass by without even giving 'em a shot. We definitely have a role in all of this third-party issue, where we've gotta open our minds a bit, myself included. Everyone in the picture shares a bit of the blame for what has gone on now.

 

[Instro]

Seems he heard the same thing I did... Nintendo was tweaking the HW to work more favorably with "popular" engines. In my case it was specifically Unreal Engine 4.

Yeah I believe lherre mentioned this was happening as well, with regards to checking 3rd party engines and so on.

It would be rather nice if your UE4 info pans out. Would be rather promising for future support. It would probably be the easiest way to dispel a lot of doubts about the Wii U for those that are on the fence or negative about the system.

That is IF they do achievements...

I really don't care about them personally, but it would be a pretty big misstep if they didn't.

 

[bgassassin]

Wow. Was what I said so bad haha. I am feeling dizzy thoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkkkkklkkkkkkk......

I'm kidding by the way.

 

[Roo]

so what's going on with the title?
what did I miss? what photoshop rumors?

 

[guek]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

 

[Instro]

so what's going on with the title?
what did I miss? what photoshop rumors?

I believe the photoshop bit is directed at the guy who got perm'd for faking a rumor.

 

[GameplayWhore]

so what's going on with the title?
what did I miss? what photoshop rumors?

Somebody posted a fake pic implying fantastic new Wii U news and got permabanned after it started rapidly spreading among various news sites, then everybody kept spamming a weird baby version of Reggie's face for what seemed like several pages straight.

 

[Oddduck]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

I would preorder it the second it was available for preorder.

Imagine a Pikmin game with graphics like that. Holy shit.

Can't wait till the generation after Wii U.

 

[Instro]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

"This hardware is great and all but why didn't they announce any games?"

 

[HylianTom]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

I would laaaaauugh and laaaaaaugh and laaaaaaugh.

And then I'd be hopeful that Nintendo wouldn't be taking too much of a loss per unit sold.

 

[BY2K]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

Can't decide what gifs/img to use, but it'd go something like this.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Personaly my idea of what Nintendo should do with acheivement type things is pretty simple.

Have a list of about 10 significant acheivements to hit in a game. Actual challenging stuff, like beating a game, hitting on the extras in it, doing something special in a level, etc. Nothing ridiculously hard, but enough to keep you honest past "You have Unlocked: Turning this game on Acheivement!"

Then when you hit them all for that game, you unlock something in another major game. Like say, you hit all the things in Super Mario Wii U so now when you play Smash Bros 4, you unlocked a new character in the game. Or maybe in Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or .. whatever. I think Smash Bros fits best though.

At least with Nintendo's own games they could tie them in somehow and make them worthwhile in another game that you play.

…OHO!!!

Wasn't there a rumour a month or so back that they'd have a similar system, but instead of counting up points, getting .... I think the rumour called them "accomplishments" ... would add features to your system's interface (like special backgrounds or theming or whatnot) or add accessories to your Miis?

and

I still maintain that points are a terrible idea. People will just buy shittier games that happen to give out points like candy in order to get more e-bling.

Rewards need to be linked to specific actions. You beat NMH3? It unlocks the beam katana in SSBU. You win the Thwomp Cup in "Mario Kart U Dash" in reversed controls mode? Captain Falcon now has the option of riding a hoverbike in "F Negative One". Complete 500 dives in "PilotWings: Endless Warfare"? Bam, your Mii gets to fly around the background of the Wii U Menu in a jetpack. Crazy shit like that. But not tied to points.

Great minds think alike?

 

[GameplayWhore]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

"Oh well, guess I have to wait an extra two to three years before I take out my wallet; I hope I'm still interested in it that long from now,"

 

[HylianTom]

Can't decide what gifs/img to use, but it'd go something like this.

I'd dance. I mean, if Zelda and Mario are going to look that good, I'd be a bit geeked. We really would have the ability to see individual nits on a bokoblin's asshairs!

 

[BY2K]

In THAT specific order, btw.

 

[Roo]

I believe the photoshop bit is directed at the guy who got perm'd for faking a rumor.

Somebody posted a fake pic implying fantastic new Wii U news and got permabanned after it started rapidly spreading among various news sites, then everybody kept spamming a weird baby version of Reggie's face for what seemed like several pages straight.

Thanks for the feedback guys
that sucks.. I mean.. permabanned =/
hope he had a good laugh cuz now he won't do it anymore... at least not here lol
anyway.. E3 is getting closer and closer
something is boiling and it will explode anytime... you'll see >

 

[HylianTom]

DLC in merely an intermediate step. Games as a service is the future.

Somehow, I missed this.

Eww. This is the vision of the future that scares me. I hope that we never, ever see an end to physical retail copies of games.

 

[Anth0ny]

I'm sorry that your tastes have been getting progressively worse since Wind Waker. There's no cure for that... =(

boring text, shitty pacing, long tutorials and hand holding has been progressively increasing since Wind Waker =(



Achievements would be awesome for first party Nintendo games. I'm not really into them on PS3 or 360 (the only exceptions being Banjo Kazooie and Tooie lol), but if they were introduced to Mario and Zelda games... I'd be forced to get them all.

Maybe they'll add achievements to Virtual Console games?

It'll give us an incentive to repurchase all those VC games since we won't be able to transfer them from Wii to Wii U

 

[HylianTom]

boring text, shitty pacing, long tutorials and hand holding has been progressively increasing since Wind Waker =(



Achievements would be awesome for first party Nintendo games. I'm not really into them on PS3 or 360 (the only exceptions being Banjo Kazooie and Tooie lol), but if they were introduced to Mario and Zelda games... I'd be forced to get them all.

Maybe they'll add achievements to Virtual Console games?

It'll give us an incentive to repurchase all those VC games since we won't be able to transfer them from Wii to Wii U

The sucky thing is this: you think Nintendo fans don't buy enough third-party games now? Just wait - we'll spend even more time with first-party titles, trying to get all of the achievements before moving-on to the next game. Backlogs would expand, and Nintendo console owners would get more out of their games for their money - but I do wonder if buying fewer games due to time constraints would be a measurable side-effect.

Still, I'd rather have the Accomplishments and find out. It's one aspect of online that doesn't bug me.

 

[axisofweevils]

Somehow, I missed this.

Eww. This is the vision of the future that scares me. I hope that we never, ever see an end to physical retail copies of games.

Same here. I love being able to play my 10 year old games.

 

[maeda]

Why not let devs decide what to place into your game-specific log? This gives much more flexibility to devs.

 

[HylianTom]

Same here. I love being able to play my 10 year old games.

This. I'm very much into preservation of games. If a game only comes in an online edition and the company providing it goes out of business someday, it becomes much, much harder to acquire in a legal fashion as time goes by. Ideally, I like the idea that this medium of entertainment keeps its history preserved well into the future - and physical distribution is the safest means that we have.

 

[NateDrake]

Seems he heard the same thing I did... Nintendo was tweaking the HW to work more favorably with "popular" engines. In my case it was specifically Unreal Engine 4.

This is all they really need to secure. Compatibility with UE4 would be a major plus as it will allow for, let's say, down-ports of PS4/Xbox Next games using the engine.

 

[Somnid]

GaaS in terms of subscription models probably won't take over for the majority of games. Gamers are too fickle to stay with one thing. You will see more platformizing of games though which is the technical equivalent. Basically, you buy one game per franchise per generation and let it update itself over time with patches and DLC. So instead of Mario Galaxy and Mario Galaxy 2 you just get Mario Galaxy 3 and it's expansion pack or whatever. Nintendo already operates like this (Galaxy 1 & 2; Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus) they just haven't had the distribution model. Also, some franchises like AC, Mario Kart and Smash Bros could benefit from it since they don't really get inter-generation sequels or updates to begin with.

 

[AzaK]

Fair enough positions, Azak, and I certainly understand. I actually agree with a lot of what you've posted, although I personally don't give much of a damn about online as I think it's incredibly overrated and fraught with peril going into the future.

I don't think we disagree much on all these points HT. I just live in this weird place where I can watch a new trailer for Zelda and feel like I'm in nirvana and then turn on my Wii and curse and swear and want to strangle Iwata.

I hate the temptation that DLC provides to software makers, and to see gamers defending these actions is downright embarrassing. I don't even trust Nintendo with DLC, even if they promise with sugar on top that they'll be good.

I agree. The concept is awesome but the execution is driven solely by greed. I just hope when Nintendo does it for their titles they find that right balance and I actually expect they will.

I loathe the idea that someday we'll be getting most if not all of our games via digital distribution instead of physical copies.

Me to. I want to both resell a game if I don't want to keep it and also loan it to friends who might not otherwise get and play the game.

I also hate the idea that we might not be able to play our games without checking-into some far-away database that may or may not always be available.

This doesn't bother me too much unless the zombie apocalypse happens and technology becomes defunct. I already check in to servers with my iPhone and Google stuff.

I hate the random online gaming experience found on LIVE and other similar networks; ironically enough, they're filled with foul-mouthed little middle and high-schoolers acting like shitcocks who're desperately trying to be mature. On some afternoons, it sounds like Andrew Dice Clay is running a goddamn daycare center on there. (YES - I'm throwing the 'immature' insult right back at the other console.)

I think the problem here though is the voice chat. Nintendo has random online in Mario Kart Wii but it's awesome. Noone can talk to you and noone can abuse you or anyone else. I think that's a good balance. If they just added voice chat among people on your friends list that would be all I'd need.

I see this trend where many developers can provide a cheap, flimsy single-player experience in a game.. and they can get away with it by pointing and saying, "But look at that multiplayer experience! So good!"

As someone who played quake multiplayer for years and ran the first national league in our country as well as being on the winning team I have no problem with games that are multiplayer focussed to that extent. So long as people know what they're getting.

These ideas sicken me, and fill me with dread about the whole thing. Honestly, I've been happy that Nintendo drags its feet with online, but I've mostly been quiet about it around here because so many people think that online is a requirement in order for a game to be "good." I'm a 1990s-mindset gamer stuck going forward into the future, it seems, as far as online goes.. which is why you guys and gals seldom see me joining in with the chorus of whining about Nintendo's online structure.

Please put those torches and pitchforks down. Please?

Agree to disagree here I guess. Nintendo have been far too slow for my liking. As I mentioned I don't need public voice chat or anything I just need to have a simple account where I can download items to whatever device I get if my other dies. I need to play online easily and I'd like some social features.

I'll openly admit: I see some benefits to online. As stated earlier, I'd love to see the Nsider forums resurrected into some form of channel on the console, with the uPad functioning as a keyboard (or with a keyboard peripheral, sold separately).

I'd love to be able to play matches with friends from far away without having to deal with those damn long strings of numbers and letters; they're a pain in the ass, and I hope that Nintendo has been embarrassed to the point where they never speak of these "Friend Codes" again.. except for maybe pointing out what NOT to do for an online structure.

And I'd love to be able to keep track of my Accomplishments, or whatever Nintendo ends-up calling them. But spare me the quantifiable number of any kind of score. Anything similar to what Steam has would be fantastic in that regard.

Plus, I'd love to be able to mod my games. Especially the western games that I like

Spoiler

(yep - I have dudebro tendencies! surprise!)

, as the vanilla versions of these games are often lacking, and I'd like the option of being able to correct those deficient areas of each game - but there are different ways to correct those deficiencies, so I'd like the option of choosing which mod(s) to go with.

So that's my position regarding online, in a nutshell. If I had my way, Nintendo would drag their feet, and I'd be perfectly happy. But if it shuts-up the incessant waaah waaah waah whining from the "No online? Then I rate it a 2/10" crowd, then let's get this ball rollin'.

Yeah the whole "2/10 cause it has no online" is moronic. I just mentioned online as a general bullet point for an area where I think Nintendo are a little slow in some areas. I don't want a XBox live clone. I want a Nintendo touch to online but with the features I want. I want Nintendo to hit it out of the park in the way only Nintendo can do with their view of the universe and massive franchises. Take PS Home for instance but imagine if Nintendo had done something like that with their characters and IPs. It would NOT be a clone, it could be something truly revolutionary.

 

[LOCK]

Somehow, I missed this.

Eww. This is the vision of the future that scares me. I hope that we never, ever see an end to physical retail copies of games.

Me too.

I love actually owning something.

 

[HylianTom]

*replies*

Yeah.. it seems like we agree on more than initially thought. Everyone is going to have their own quirky take on one issue or another, and I guess this one is definitely my quirky issue.

 

[NinjaTehFish]

I hope (And think its likely) they include custom communities, in Either a PS Home Style or even a more basic facebook style. Im thinking more the latter.

Edit: I see others have similar idea's. I just Skimmed to catch up

And sorry for double post.

 

[NinjaTehFish]

..... Nintendo can do with their view of the universe and massive franchises. Take PS Home for instance but imagine if Nintendo had done something like that with their characters and IPs. It would NOT be a clone, it could be something truly revolutionary.

Id rather see something like this as a stand alone mmo type title.
As a free Downloadable of course

 

[cyberheater]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

I fully believe this will happen.



















For WiiU2.

 

[Hiltz]

I wonder if Wii U will get a little surprise similar to how the 3DS uses Pikmin to show system tranfer of game data. So cute.

 

[Lupin the Third]

I'd dance. I mean, if Zelda and Mario are going to look that good, I'd be a bit geeked. We really would have the ability to see individual nits on a bokoblin's asshairs!

Someday, your Mel Brooks obsession will take you to the streets with a homing device strapped to your leg, all for the sake of winning a bet with some GAFfers over something trivial like the RAM inside the Wii U.

 

[HylianTom]

Someday, your Mel Brooks obsession will take you to the streets with a homing device strapped to your leg, all for the sake of winning a bet with some GAFfers over something trivial like the RAM inside the Wii U.

Haha.. that would stink!

 

[Lupin the Third]

Haha.. that would stink!

Such is life.

 

[Redford]

Great post Reallink. And Tom, I get you on the online issue. I just like to be able to keep my friends in touch in a simple and streamlined manner.

Also, didn't think you'd use that BY2K, noice.

Somebody posted a fake pic implying fantastic new Wii U news and got permabanned after it started rapidly spreading among various news sites, then everybody kept spamming a weird baby version of Reggie's face for what seemed like several pages straight.

I swear you guys, I was convinced you'd all went batshit insane for a few hours there.

 

[Nibel]

Vita taught me you need a strong software lineup.

Strong. Launch. Lineup.

And this is what will be important. And I don't see them releasing for 350$ after the 3DS fiasco.

Edit: check out the CryEngine 3.4 video (thanks Nirolak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KuNw8bjDwc&hd=1

Wonder if we'll see any of this on Wii U

 

[AzaK]

not that there's any chance of it happening whatsoever, but how would you guys react if come E3 it's revealed that Wii U is roughly 6-8x the capabilities of this gen and more or less a standard generational leap for $350?

 

[z0m3le]

Vita taught me you need a strong software lineup.

Strong. Launch. Lineup.

And this is what will be important. And I don't see them releasing for 350$ after the 3DS fiasco.

Edit: check out the CryEngine 3.4 video (thanks Nirolak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KuNw8bjDwc&hd=1

Wonder if we'll see any of this on Wii U

The GPU is modern, we should see just about every effect in that trailer, though scaled back to fit on the hardware. Too bad UE3 is so widely used... Crytek has a far nicer looking engine.

EDIT: Time Splitters 4... Believe!

 

[axisofweevils]

Uh oh. My news feed is full of Wii U Nintendoomed news.... Sigh.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Uh oh. My news feed is full of Wii U Nintendoomed news.... Sigh.

If it's doomed then everything is normal, the only Nintendo device that wasn't labeled as doomed was the 3DS during thr Pre-release and we all know how that turned out.

 

[watershed]

I wonder if people's expectations are spinning out of control. Not in terms of graphics capabilities or stuff like that but more in terms of features, NIN, any remaining secrets etc. It seems like we have such active imaginations and strong desires related to Nintendo hardware that we think up all these awesome features but most of them never come to be.

 

[axisofweevils]

If it's doomed then everything is normal, the only Nintendo device that wasn't labeled as doomed was the 3DS during thr Pre-release and we all know how that turned out.

Yeah, I was just checking to see if any site picked up on last night's good news... Apparently not.

 

[Tenck]

I wonder if people's expectations are spinning out of control. Not in terms of graphics capabilities or stuff like that but more in terms of features, NIN, any remaining secrets etc. It seems like we have such active imaginations and strong desires related to Nintendo hardware that we think up all these awesome features but most of them never come to be.

That's why you need to watch their conference expecting nothing. NOTHING.

Don't expect Miyamoto, Iwata, Reggie, or even video game announcements. If something happens, cool, something happened.

That way you're not disappointed.

I'm a huge Nintendo fan. I'd consider myself way too attached to the company. But when it comes to their hardware or software, I let the game/systems show me what they got, then base my opinion off my first impression.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I wonder if people's expectations are spinning out of control. Not in terms of graphics capabilities or stuff like that but more in terms of features, NIN, any remaining secrets etc. It seems like we have such active imaginations and strong desires related to Nintendo hardware that we think up all these awesome features but most of them never come to be.

The only thing Nintendo emphasized recently on is its online capabilities. For one year now Iwata kept going back and forth on addressing this issue more than taking about their next system and I think the coming investor's meeting will also mostly focus on online than Wii U.