If you go out for dinner, you are buying something. That's why you'd expect ads in the marketplace, but not anywhere else. How would you feel if you were forced to stick the pizza hut menu to the fridge that you paid for? Or hang it on your kitchen?
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Microsoft will provide more TV-like advertisements through XBox Live
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Unless Microsoft is doing something with entertainment you don't get with the likes of Apple TV or Roku this is the exact opposite of what makes any real sense. Gaming stands more to be improved, while people who just want the multimedia functionality will be put off and jump to something else, like the two devices I named. It'd just be suckers too dumb or apathetic to switch to something that doesn't require an additional fee per year.
Problem is, most of this "valid" criticism is nothing more than the same bullshit that has been posted in every other Live thread ad nauseum.
You know it's one thing to accept valid criticism, which is fine IMO, but it's another to take every troll post as "valid criticism" which is what it looks like you're doing.
If you're going to laugh and call out people who are blindly defending these ads, then why not do the same with people who are off with their criticism?
No matter which way you spin it, those tiles, promos, ads, whatever would fall into one of these three definitions:
They are ads, period.
Yup, looks like valid criticism to me /sarcasm.
That's true for all companies, the only difference is the number of fans.
Uno Venova
Banned
I would be surprised if they have all those online features and apps free on the Vita and then turn around and put them behind a paywall on PS4.
Doesn't matter if it's the same if it's still valid, and I didn't think it was right to brush it off because the person wasn't a customer, I didn't endorse any troll posts and will laugh at what I see fit to laugh at.
BruiserBear
Banned
It would absolutely hurt gold sales, which is exactly why they don't want to do it. I still believe online play is the lynchpin of Xbox Live Gold.
Jim E. Rossler
Banned
The ads on xbox live are NOTHING compared to the
INFURIATING
MADDENING
Ad-based captchas
"Here watch this THIRTY SECOND ADVERTISEMENT in this TINY ASS SCREEN and then type in what you see at the end of the ad
If I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness I will spend my last days planning how to firebomb Solve Media's Headquarters when the most high ranking officials are in.
XBL ads just make me groan a bit.
INFURIATING
MADDENING
Ad-based captchas
"Here watch this THIRTY SECOND ADVERTISEMENT in this TINY ASS SCREEN and then type in what you see at the end of the ad
Code:
MCDONALDS IS THE SHIT IM LOVING IT ME ENCANTA DAISUKIXBL ads just make me groan a bit.
I doubt ANYONE will when there's so many streaming devices these days. I think the only reason Microsoft gets away with it is because they were ahead of most everyone with Netflix, assuming it's not a lot of people who also want to play online or at least keep the option there. The standard's changed though, and they don't have exclusivity to it, so something's gotta give eventually.
BruiserBear
Banned
What complaints were not answered?
Uno Venova
Banned
Holy shit 37 posts, so nuts.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Almost 4x the count of the second most frequent poster!
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Ever? Sony charged for online gaming last gen in some regions. You mean you don't see them charging again?
KingJ2002
Member
I agree... there should be a opt-out for gold users.
If you are talking about a box checked yes there is party chat. I still prefer universal invites and the ability to multitask WITHOUT getting signed out of PSN. Installs, patching, trophies, game saves, and any sort of social action is still handled with the lack of any elegance. You don't even get messages in real time. When something with decent online functionality comes out you'll see why it doesn't work.
CadetMahoney
Member
I am sure the go-to defence for that is going to be "it's Microsofts fault".
there you go.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
It is true. People blamed MS when Sony introduced Vita's mandatory and proprietary memory cards. Everything is always some else's fault.
BruiserBear
Banned
I can't wait to hear this explained. How did they charge for online play in some regions?
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Every online game for the PS2 required a fee to be played online in Japan. Even games like Hot Shots Golf require you to pay Sony a fee to play online. Ask any JGAF'er.
Speedymanic
Banned
RedNumberFive and kryptonian were pretty salty, so I'm going to say RedNumberFive.
Oh wow.
BruiserBear
Banned
This is the first I've ever heard of this, but somehow I'm not surprised I'm hearing it from you, in this discussion.
Forget about post count, even though he's the indisputable leader... It's more about the content and reactions.
HAHAHA
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. You made a factually incorrect post and I corrected it. If I post something factually wrong, please feel free to do the same.
That and being able to automute everyone by default unless they are on your friends list. No more going through the list of players at the start of the match and muting all the mouth breathers and singers one by one... only to do the same thing the next time the round starts and the same thing the next match starts.........
That is almost worth the $30 a year alone.
NullPointer
Member
I gotta say, if you're going to defend the service to gamers, this is how you go about doing it. I do appreciate all of those things, although I've never seen a discount worth a damn, but maybe that's just me.
The killer app really is the party system though.
Oppo
Member
If you are playing an online game on the Vita, it stays connected. I'm not sure what you mean my "the messages aren't real time" - they seem pretty fast to me. Notification bubble lets you shortcut to everything.
BruiserBear
Banned
Not shooting the messenger. Just saying it's amusing that the first time I've ever seen this stated, anywhere, and you were the one to say it. In other words, of all the people to know this information, you had it sitting in your back pocket ready to throw when the opportunity arose. lol
I've just google searched it as well and still can't find a single thing suggesting this happened. Not saying it didn't, but it was apparently a well kept secret.
I guess I just don't understand what you consider valid criticism since I only see you responding back to those defending Live but not to those who are trolling it, which gives off the wrong impression it would seem. IMO neither side is without fault, especially those who go into the extremes on either view.
I kind of had the same discussion with him in the Gameinformer Halo thread. Either way, I felt I was being dragged along and my points where being dismissed or brushed off.
flyinpiranha
Member
I would take a 30 second ad everytime my Xbox booted up if they fixed the fucking shitty Netflix app.
So shitty. Honestly, the UI of the Nextbox is going to make or break me buying into it. I enjoy games but I just can't stand the UI it has now, the ads are honestly the least of my worries.
So shitty. Honestly, the UI of the Nextbox is going to make or break me buying into it. I enjoy games but I just can't stand the UI it has now, the ads are honestly the least of my worries.
How ironic considering what he was just saying =p
Uno Venova
Banned
What wrong impression does it give to respond to arguments an individual feels is ridiculous.
Because both sides have given ridiculous arguments, or posts, and you decide to only respond to people defending Live.
I think everyone can agree that someone's opinion or points carry more weight when they don't seem so one sided, which is where I may be misunderstanding your posts or stance.
Infamous Chris
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Lol. I have no quarrel with upJTboogie (yet) but I do agree, when one adamantly repeats the same thing in various topics and responds as if they're wearing tinted shades, it doesn't paint a good picture. To constantly criticize one side and respond by saying "I respond as I please" makes it a bit too obvious.
I could swear it was him doing the same thing in the Halo 4 gameinformer reveal topic and people said the SAME thing.
and he responded the same way lol
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Off topic but here you go. One article about it. Sony charged per game and so did third parties. I'm guessing if they do charge for online next gen they may do it the same way where you pay per publisher... but who knows. But look at that, you learn something new each day right?
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/393/393954p1.html
"Today, Sony unveiled pricing details for Online play. In addition to the 4800 yen charge for the game itself, you'll have to fork out some cash to play Online. Sony will be offering a fixed 30 day play period for 600 yen or a fixed 90 day period for 1500 yen. Continuing beyond those times will incur a 500 yen monthly charge. Gamers will be able to pay with either web money or credit card."
It was and I was the guy
Uno Venova
Banned
There are also people who are only responding to people who dislike live. Never had I seen someone say it was necessary to respond to every side in a thread, have you also been calling out posters doing the opposite of me?
BruiserBear
Banned
So that article is about Hot Shots golf only. Do you even know how many games required payment for online play, or is that the only non RPG you're aware of?
I never said what is necessary and what isn't, don't get the wrong idea that I'm trying to tell you how to post in these threads, I'm just explaining how people (including me obviously) get the wrong idea about you or your points.
Also, I like to think I've called out a few people in this thread (including the PR rep from MS), but you're honestly one of the few I think I can have a level headed discussion with. Well that and people don't reply back to my posts half the time, I suspect they much rather not say anything at all than to admit that they are either wrong or that I at least have a point.
gaming_noob
Member
If true, Nextbox is in for a rude awakening nextgen. PS4 online services will continue to improve for free and so will Nintendo's.
I mean that anytime you hit the PS button in a game with any sort of PSN functionality instantly signs you out of the PSN, at least within that game. So any message, party invite, or game invite basically makes doing so from inside an online game impossible. That pretty much rules out universal invites for the future. For as smooth as the UI animates, it seems like PSN implementation still very unsmooth.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
All online games at least the ones published by Sony charged for online from what I remember, that was just an article I found that easily spelled out the fees so it was easy to read. This game was going to come to America so they made an article about it but they didn't make articles about every online game in Japan. They had a service set up to pay for the games but hard to find the info without knowing Japanese.
I can't say for sure if every online third party charged though. Again, ask any JGAF'er like DCharile. I've discussed it with him previously so he was around in the region when Sony was charging for online if you wanted to know more details. Pretty interesting that each region makes up their own rules.
But this is off topic so if you wanted to discuss more of Sony charging for online play last gen we should take it to PM.
Uno Venova
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I see, although I don't think a person being one sided on this subject is going to make their opinion carry less weight, you don't get the wrong idea about someone unless their argument starts to get ridiculous like dismissing someones criticisms if they don't sub to the service.
TouchMyBox
Member
This would make me consider xbox as a platform again.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
No forced installs, massive patches, syncing trophies or better cross platform games has nothing to do with Live Gold. The only thing in your post that has anything to do with paying $60 a year is that it runs better than PSN.
Err...how does a one sided opinion not make their opinion carry less weight? Why would I take the opinion of an xbox fanboy when they discuss the playstation for example.
Also people who have never subbed on the service are free to criticize, but the chances of their criticism being valid goes down a bit with no actual experience with what they are criticizing.