Sony or MS will do it, one of them will pull the trigger. And it will be this gen. I'm sure of it.
It would be suicide if only one of them pulls the trigger. The other one will get 90% marketshare.
Sony or MS will do it, one of them will pull the trigger. And it will be this gen. I'm sure of it.
Aren't there people who buy games new, finish them, resell them and then buy a new game with that money?
Wont the publishers lose those people?
Even if all the "greedy" publishers jump on the bandwagon? I don't think so. More like 90% for the one that pulls if off.It would be suicide if only one of them pulls the trigger. The other one will get 90% marketshare.
For some reason, I've never seen a writer describe people who buy their books second hand as "not their readers".
Even if all the "greedy" publishers jump on the bandwagon? I don't think so. More like 90% for the one that pulls if off.
Yes because Ps3 gamers will suddenly buy a 720 or 360 gamers a Ps4.
Either way publishers arent going to give up half a potential market.
This idea is fucking stupid across all boards.
I will be so happy when used games go away so that I finally have an opportunity to have new experiences... Wave of originality will come because the risks are nullified.
All 3 will have to be in on it for it to work... and I do believe all 3 are.
LOL
The risks are so much higher with no used market.
You don't think far enough. Lets Sony pays Take 2 and nice bunch of money to make the new GTA exclusivly for the PS4 (say this one has no used sales any more) with no risc of used sales, they'll do it...... and the flock of gamers will come, making the PS4 more attractive for other publishers. It's so easy.Yes because Ps3 gamers will suddenly buy a 720 or 360 gamers a Ps4.
Either way publishers arent going to give up half a potential market.
This idea is fucking stupid across all boards.
Actually, only one needs to do it. As soon as one console disallows used games, publishers can justify completely dropping support for the others. And since no one will buy a console that gets 0 EA and Activision games (see: Dreamcast), the other two manufacturers will be forced to implement anti-used systems too.
i take a lot of issue with this post. you equate progress in gaming with technical improvements and graphical fidelity, which is just asinine on face value and not remotely true in reality. looking at some of the most successful games this generation, plenty of people are willing to play 'stagnate' games. stuff like angry birds, mario bros. wii and minecraft could not be more hideous and visually unappealing yet they're tremendously successful in spite of thatOf course they were cheaper to make. But what do you want? The industry do stagnate? I sure don't. What should be the benefit of that? Games are supposed to evolve. Like any other industry. But thanks to the used games stuff I don't see that happening as fast as it could. I mean, yes, the industry does grow day by day but it's sooooo much easier to sell you game than it has been in any other console generation before. I don't see how so little people here understand that.
Why is Bach the interim CEO? What happened with L_Twin?
Wrong.
Publishers maintain flexibility
If its a "box office bomb" then you can remake some or most of the money back in budget
But right now the swing to budget is completely disjointed to what it should be because of the hollowing out of the budget market by used games sales. (it basically hurts everything)
The risks are highest with no used game sales and no tiered pricing system. Do you think people are going to take enough chances on new $60 IPs that they cannot resell if they don't like it? EA and Activision will probably thrive under almost any conditions since people are going to buy shooters and sports games but what about the rest?
Those fucks are slowly but surely turning me into a monster with all this shit. The one hobby I've loved for years is the same I despise and been cynical about the most today.
If it weren't for our positive customer relations where I work we never would have been bought by our parent company and we wouldn't exist today. Treating your customers right pays true dividends down the line.When your employer/parent company treats you negatively how can see customers as anything but the enemy?
Try again. Your examples are the worst ones possible and you know it.i take a lot of issue with this post. you equate progress in gaming with technical improvements and graphical fidelity, which is just asinine on face value and not remotely true in reality. looking at some of the most successful games this generation, plenty of people are willing to play 'stagnate' games. stuff like angry birds, mario bros. wii and minecraft could not be more hideous and visually unappealing yet they're tremendously successful in spite of that
Oh, you do? Then please exlain to me why the interest in the Wii is falling for the last 2-3 years if graphics are not important? And before you even say it: No, the Wii didn't sell so well the first few years because of the sub HD graphics. And yes, you know that too.what i see happening in the industry now is a relatively small but dedicated group of twenty/thirty something male gamers who want ultra-high budget blastathons and cinematic games, which is driving up game budgets and standards across the board as publishers try to compete for this audience.
Funny, for me it was the best - and I'm around since NES/GameBoy. And please, what niche development? You mean less shitty games? Thank god no one can afford to make bad games these days.the reality is, games aren't magically more progressive because Buff McWhiteGuywithAssaultRifle has nice shaders on his ginourmous shoulder pads. this has been the worst generation of console gaming for me because the high budgets are forcing talented and niche developement houses out of the industry all together.
Seriously, I still don't see that big problem with DLC. I have yet to buy a game where essential parts of it have to be purchased via DLC. And for how long are we discussing this now? I don't get it. Even the stuff that people claimed to be essential (aka Assassins Creed 2) I never had the feeling they truly were.not to mention whole genres have far less representation than in past generations. not to mention if you want your high budget blastathons, you pay the price in anti-consumer schemes like dlc. how is that progress? it's more like a suicide pact for the industry
Wow, it's like... You didn't read my post, at all.
I will be so happy when used games go away so that I finally have an opportunity to have new experiences... Wave of originality will come because the risks are nullified.
LOL
The risks are so much higher with no used market.
Wrong.
No. You're telling them this: "We invested money to make that game. We invested it to make money with that game. Therefore we want you to pay us (not someone else) to play that game, so we get our money back to invest it into making new games."When you remove used games, you essentially are telling the consumer "You're the enemy." "You're the problem."
No. You're telling them this: "We invested money to make that game. We invested it to make money with that game. Therefore we want you to pay us (not someone else) to play that game, so we get our money back to invest it into making new games."
I don't see what problem you guys have with that.
Uh. DICE never said they weren't players. Readers and customers are not the same thing and you are twisting context. What he said is 100% correct. If you buy a used game, they don't see a single penny that you paid for it.
And you are comparing books, which are usually written by 1 person and edited by possibly a couple others... To games that are created by hundreds of people. (excluding the publishing wing)
Books have a very, very long shelf life. Video games do not. Even books are moving towards ebooks in a very, very big way because of how quickly costs are catching up them. Video Games are centered around generations... And a lot of people only play them once.
And to the people talking about current console DD- used sales still fuck with prices unless it's DD only (XBLA)
If you disconnect used sales from the current equation, developers and publishers will become healthy and will allow for a lot greater price fluctuation.
There is definitely huge benefits for the consumer if used game sales were to go away... But it does come with its negatives too.
Love steam and I have purchased far more $60 games on the service than I have purchased prior to steam being around. But that is not the point- I have bought a ton of games on Steam for the sole purpose of doing my part to help developers out. I have like 100 games on my backlog and a bunch of them I won't even play.
I will be so happy when used games go away so that I finally have an opportunity to have new experiences... Wave of originality will come because the risks are nullified.
Right now if you compare movies and games... Film industry has blockbuster movies, B movies, niche titles, TV movies, TV shows, etc
Right now our very own game industry B movies, TV movies, niche titles are almost 80-90% gone. Now it's either really big (a way to ensure profit) or really small (DD titles, costs manageable, easy to recoup lost costs in event of failure)
Maybe you guys are young, or something. But I remember the days when a title like Grim Fandango or Kings Quest were the most ambitious titles in the industry. Nobody can afford to take risks like that these days and it's pretty sad that people would rather cling to the minute monetization of their relatively inexpensive assets and force what few developers with creative interest to take the plunge on things like kick starter (doesn't apply to any developer outside the US, either)
Personally I would rather let the used industry die as I have no emotional attachment to people who partake in a very crude rental system. The people that gave me experiences from ages 6 onwards? They are my heroes. They deserve the money over some reseller.
They are the reason everyone of us are posting here.
Right because its just not right to lend your family or friends a copy.
No. You're telling them this: "We invested money to make that game. We invested it to make money with that game. Therefore we want you to pay us (not someone else) to play that game, so we get our money back to invest it into making new games."
I don't see what problem you guys have with that.
I'm sure the game would be tied to your account if that ever happens. Just give them your account.Right because its just not right to lend your family or friends a copy.
No. You're telling them this: "We invested money to make that game. We invested it to make money with that game. Therefore we want you to pay us (not someone else) to play that game, so we get our money back to invest it into making new games."
You are welcome to lend your consoles to whomever you please.
Its a win for you, and a loss for the customers.
Yeah, we already knew this.
Stupid argument is stupid. So by your logic just one guy could buy a game, get it into circulation, resell it a million times and the publisher would have nothing to complain about, right? Although only one guy payed for it but a million acutally played it?Because they did make money off it, and yet they still blame the people who support them on every dip in sales for every game ever. Defenders are just be obstinate at this point.
No. You're telling them this: "We invested money to make that game. We invested it to make money with that game. Therefore we want you to pay us (not someone else) to play that game, so we get our money back to invest it into making new games."
I don't see what problem you guys have with that.
Stupid argument is stupid. So by your logic just one guy could buy a game, get it into circulation, resell it a million times and the publisher would have nothing to complain about, right? Although only one guy payed for it but a million acutally played it?
I know it's a stupid example but it seems I really need a stupid example to illustrate how stupid your argument is.
People that buy used aren't really customers to them though?
Those non-customers are getting a better deal, so the publishers are going to rectify that problem by giving their remaining customers a worse deal. Makes perfect sense.People that buy used aren't really customers to them though?
If I know about this when I buy the new console, yes.Are you comfortable allowing a game company to determine what you do with your property?
I'm talking about a boxed copy, a physical item, and not a license.
Believe it or not, but people are willing to wait. Especailly since so many high quality games are realsed nowadays. For example: I've just been playing Skyrim for 6 months. I haven't finished Witcher 2 yet, haven't even started Mass Effect 3 and there is new DLC for Skyrim upcoming. I wanted to play MW3 since launch and since I still have a lot to do, it can wait even longer. But then again, BO2 has just be revealed. And Max Payne 3 is upcoming. Darksiders 2 also. And I have yet to complete several other games...It couldn't be a very good game if a million people are willing to wait to play a single copy. If everyone played said game for 1 day before selling it, it would take over 2700 years for a million people to play it.
If I know about this when I buy the new console, yes.
Someone who reads the writer's books, but does not pay, is not their customer.
Stupid argument is stupid. So by your logic just one guy could buy a game, get it into circulation, resell it a million times and the publisher would have nothing to complain about, right? Although only one guy payed for it but a million acutally played it?
I know it's a stupid example but it seems I really need a stupid example to illustrate how stupid your argument is.
Believe me... People can wait. There are good games all over the place nowadays.
Well, if you don't like it, don't support it. Video Games are a non-essential thing. I'm willing to support this in order to help the industry to grow. You know, I like games. I really do. And I don't want to see game companies struggling just because you want to save a few bucks.I'm glad you're comfortable giving up your property rights. Most people would find this odious.
You are welcome to lend your consoles to whomever you please.