X) Kickstarter will get games made that couldn't have been made otherwise, thus fulfilling its goal.
And that's the only one that really counts.
I completely agree. I'm so pumped for Wasteland 2
X) Kickstarter will get games made that couldn't have been made otherwise, thus fulfilling its goal.
And that's the only one that really counts.
... i don't understand it
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
who are these youthful characters with heads full of hair?
dem sideburns!
Just curious for all you guys defending KS, how much swag and games from donating to KS have you guys gotten? Just curious.
Does that sound like the writings of someone who thinks that everything on Kickstarter is a massive scam?
Nearly every proposal occupies a genre/series that already exists, effectively allowing people to buy more of the same. Now, this isn't a bad thing--the best games are often remakes and sequels. It's just that the Kickstarter model isn't equipped to encourage the growth of the medium, as nobody is truly willing to bet money on something they can't connect to on some level. Your game has to HAVE an audience, however small, or it won't get made, and this limits the breadth of what can be funded.
What I find more worrisome is the fact that almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either
A) A sequel.
B) Being made by someone famous. (Within the right circles.)
Nearly every proposal occupies a genre/series that already exists, effectively allowing people to buy more of the same. Now, this isn't a bad thing--the best games are often remakes and sequels. It's just that the Kickstarter model isn't equipped to encourage the growth of the medium, as nobody is truly willing to bet money on something they can't connect to on some level. Your game has to HAVE an audience, however small, or it won't get made, and this limits the breadth of what can be funded.
I don't think this is true on any level. Maybe if you think only the handful recent high profile projects exist, but, again, that's not true, there are plenty more that get successfully funded for a few tens of thousands or less. Someone even posted a list of like a dozen successfully funded iOS games when people argued iOS games don't get funded in the Republique thread (which doesn't mean Republique's issue wasn't the platform of course, considering the gap in the required amount, but that's for another topic).What I find more worrisome is the fact that almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either
A) A sequel.
B) Being made by someone famous. (Within the right circles.)
Nearly every proposal occupies a genre/series that already exists, effectively allowing people to buy more of the same. Now, this isn't a bad thing--the best games are often remakes and sequels. It's just that the Kickstarter model isn't equipped to encourage the growth of the medium, as nobody is truly willing to bet money on something they can't connect to on some level. Your game has to HAVE an audience, however small, or it won't get made, and this limits the breadth of what can be funded.
How is that worrisome? This was never meant to be a charity, giving someone money to realise their own dreams, if they don't happen to align with the dreams of at least a few other people who are willing to support it... If you can sell people, even on a new concept, they could pledge, if you can't convince them you can make it and they'd enjoy it then why would/should they feel obliged? This still gives someone a hell of a lot better chances than trying to pitch this supposed wholly new concept to a publisher.Your game has to HAVE an audience, however small, or it won't get made, and this limits the breadth of what can be funded.
That's not by someone famous and works against his point on that level alone. Having worked on The Old Republic which is pretty much all I know of them and only because they mentioned it doesn't mean they're famous. Any other indie could have at some point been part of a larger company too, it's not exactly rare for people to have jobs before trying to be independent.Take a look at The Banner Saga.
I agree... Absolutely love the concept. Donate for a game you would love to see get made. If it doesn't- no harm no foul. If it does- You'll be getting a copy of a game that you helped fund.
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I'm pretty sure you guys are misinterpreting that comic pretty badly.
theyre not against kickstarters
it's a joke about what could happen
because among other things they run a web comic
that has jokes
Exactly. Quoted out of concern that people aren't seeing this.That comic's not shitting on Kickstarter as a whole. Just making fun of the super shady ones crazy people put up.
That is factually incorrect. It's basically the other way around. Almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either fresh or being made by unknown people.What I find more worrisome is the fact that almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either
A) A sequel.
B) Being made by someone famous. (Within the right circles.)
Then please, oh mighty kickstarter sage, enlighten me, please
Kickstarter is still a crock of shit IMO. Maybe I'm "missing the point" but I don't see ANY point in giving someone money unless they give me a product in return. But hey, I work for the money I have.
My point really is that it's just the newest thing that caters to people who have more money than sense. Pet rock? Snuggies? They might as well make Kickstarter ads AS SEEN ON TV!! It's basically the same shit, you're just "donating" 19.95 instead.
Exactly. Quoted out of concern that people aren't seeing this.
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
Yup you are.
Every kickstarter I've funded I'm getting a promise of the finished product in return for.
maybe you should have read before rant
incredible
I'm glad other people are willing to front their money since I'm sure not going to. I'd rather pick up the finished products for a couple buck more once I see if it's worth it.
Just curious for all you guys defending KS, how much swag and games from donating to KS have you guys gotten? Just curious.
Yeah those games are selling well also here's this new ace of base album dude i saw the sign!!
Debatable. Good games are opinion based, but the stuff on KS can't really hold a candle to a huge team of people working on a game.
Would you buy into a gold mine in Montana if the guy running the mineWhat I find more worrisome is the fact that almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either
A) A sequel.
B) Being made by someone famous. (Within the right circles.)
You could ask for more oversight and general compliance, but that's just going to make costs soar. Who is going to run the Audit Kickstart?Fixed. Subtle, but very important difference. Still I see Kickstarter as useful since it allows games that otherwise would never have been greenlit, to actually get made. However they could certainly do more to protect users from scammers.
God I wish they still made podcasts of their writing process. That was the most fascinating shit.
Same thing that happens when people pre-order or buy a game that wasn't Kickstarted yet still falls short. That is, nothing much, one just keeps trying to make informed decisions before giving money, I'm sure that works for most seasoned gamers more often than it doesn't. When it doesn't, nobody decides to stop buying games altogether so I don't think the majority will stop being willing to Kickstart projects altogether either, rather than simply continue to expect to be convinced by the developers, via past works, signs of investment on their part, ideas that appear to be desirable yet practical, etc.What happens when the final product falls short of expectations?
What I find more worrisome is the fact that almost any game that succeeds on Kickstarter is either
A) A sequel.
B) Being made by someone famous. (Within the right circles.)
You can online with your friends
Exactly.Um I'm pretty sure this is just another "Gabe is a fucking dumbass" story
Your post is stupid & full of BS.Oh shit they finished the new Wasteland? I was under the impression that it wasn't even close to being started, but who knows I don't live in the future.
I think PA hit the nail right on the head, KS is ridiculous. What's wrong with having game COMPANIES that are well established for making GOOD GAMES ALREADY make games? It's only been working well for the past FOREVER
Has a single game came out from kickstarter yet? Like in actually released and you can buy it?
Amazing how people read this three-panel comic and think it's about every Kickstarter ever made.
Simply amazing.