Was the album called 'My friend is oddly and vicariously bitter'?
nope, here it was instead smartass
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ive-been-writing-an-album-the-al-0?ref=search
Was the album called 'My friend is oddly and vicariously bitter'?
If they never finish, doesn't the donation money go back?
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
To me, KS is sort of like patronage. Which I think is largely what you mean in your post.To me, KS is a sort of like microlending, only for creative stuff, not businesses.
i'm pretty sure thats not the case.
i think KS is cool and all that its allowing these games to be made, but people talk about it as if its a sure thing. sooner or later its bound to go wrong.
sure people have a reputation at stake but some games just end up in development hell or turn out shit, and no one makes games like that on purpose, it just happens. what if Double Fine make another game as bad as Brutal Legend?
i'm pretty sure thats not the case.
i think KS is cool and all that its allowing these games to be made, but people talk about it as if its a sure thing. sooner or later its bound to go wrong.
sure people have a reputation at stake but some games just end up in development hell or turn out shit, and no one makes games like that on purpose, it just happens. what if Double Fine make another game as bad as Brutal Legend?
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
I'm curious: did you people who feel like they're talking about kickstarter as a whole read it here, in this thread first, or on their website first?
I read it originally on their site (RSS reader) and I didn't get that sense at all. I feel like the thread title must be framing your interpretation. The actual name of the comic is "Incredibility."
Your'e right, but I think the it's a given the all discussion is about only the video game section of Kickstarter, seeing as how this is a video games forum.It's not even about games. If people want to bottle the entire website down to a single category out of, what, twelve? - that's ludicrous.
In that case, people should be saying that they don't trust VIDEO GAMES on Kickstarter, not Kickstarter as a whole.
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
I'm curious: did you people who feel like they're talking about kickstarter as a whole read it here, in this thread first, or on their website first?
I read it originally on their site (RSS reader) and I didn't get that sense at all. I feel like the thread title must be framing your interpretation. The actual name of the comic is "Incredibility."
To me, KS is a sort of like microlending, only for creative stuff, not businesses.
You give them money in the hopes they will make something good with it, not so much necessarily getting something back.
Double Fine Adventure
Wasteland 2
The Banner Saga
Shadowrun Returns
Nekro
Leisure Suit Larry
People "donate" to Kickstarters specifically to get something back.
That's not how I took it at all.It might be just my bad understanding of sentences this afternoon (morning? lol), but I interpreted the end part of his post that went with the comics as a negative stance on KS as a whole - or not necessarily the whole, but the tiered reward system, definitely.
It might be just my bad understanding of sentences this afternoon (morning? lol), but I interpreted the end part of his post that went with the comics as a negative stance on KS as a whole - or not necessarily the whole, but the tiered reward system, definitely.
what are they really saying? that there is a possibility that ridiculous kickstarter projects exist? that's it? what's next, penny arcade telling me the sky is blue?
anybody? where is the funny? where is the insight? anything?
Well, that's it guys, pack it in. Every joke must now be personally relevatory and funny to coldvein.
We had a good run.
(Most) People "donate" to Kickstarters specifically to get something back. It's a shop. It's just like buying something on amazon except here the product doesn't exist yet. And there's probably some interesting tax loopholes therein.
Regardless, this comic isn't about Kickstarter, it's about a small number of the people that use it. There really doesn't need to be (another) discussion about whether KS is good or bad.
EDIT: (Most)
One problem with Brutal Legend is it tried to do too much. A lower budget game won't have that problem. It also didn't have any exterior input. Most previews and game journalists didn't even know about the RTS elements. They were only shown that when the game was just about to come out. This game already has public exposure, and if something steers real wrong fans will likely guide it back on course.sure people have a reputation at stake but some games just end up in development hell or turn out shit, and no one makes games like that on purpose, it just happens. what if Double Fine make another game as bad as Brutal Legend?
That money went towards the store, not towards development, though.Didn't we have here picture of someone paying 5 or 10$ in advance for Duke Nukem Forever pre-order 10 years before it was actually released ?
The news post should clarify their stance, although looking through their recent news posts you can already get a handle on what they think of Kickstarter.I'm pretty sure you guys are misinterpreting that comic pretty badly.
I don't really feel that the hypothetical of "making the game and running" is a good excuse for the vitriol.
Is there a precedent for this that I don't know about?
People who shit on Kickstarter must live in some alternative dimension where games do not suck. Because, honestly, Kickstarter is one of the last things still making me care at all about video games.
I agree... Absolutely love the concept. Donate for a game you would love to see get made. If it doesn't- no harm no foul. If it does- You'll be getting a copy of a game that you helped fund.
When companies are PIECES OF SHIT which don't want to try anything DIFFERENT.
coldvein said:what are they really saying? that there is a possibility that ridiculous kickstarter projects exist? that's it? what's next, penny arcade telling me the sky is blue?
Just curious for you one guy attacking KS, how much money from donating to KS have you guy lost? Just curious.Just curious for all you guys defending KS, how much swag and games from donating to KS have you guys gotten? Just curious.
Oh my God, how do some of you not understand that this isn't aimed at Kickstarter as a whole? Hell, they did a comic before where they praised the site! It's just making fun of the overblown proposals that stink of scamming, like Your World. It's not rocket science.
Because... it's... funny?
I like PA but when they are wrong, they are really fucking wrong.
You read it wrong. Wednesday's post doesn't have much to do with video games; board games are an entirely different business. It's about how niche ventures with very limited opportunities to connect with their fans' wallets en masse can now invite their audience to bring forth their dollars whenever they want.
Ah, I didn't know that. That's a very valid concern.
Even still, I'd rather KS not have to nuke the forest for a few bad apples.
I like PA but when they are wrong, they are really fucking wrong.
Whoever changed the thread title: thank you.
When no one has used those concepts in a decade? Absolutely.Making games using old concepts is different?
Who would say no to a Lamborghini?
X) Kickstarter will get games made that couldn't have been made otherwise, thus fulfilling its goal.Anything else?
While this last month or so has littered the digital ground with the beautiful blossom of Kickstarter triumphs (and not just in games; dunno about you, but I am in MAXIMUM NERDJOY mode about a Pebble watch winging its way to me later this year) this week has shown the potentially seedy underbelly of rampant crowdsourcing. The strange, faintly disturbing tale of Mythic: The Story of Gods and Men was uncovered by Something Awful, picked up by our very own forum and from there sent on to Reddit, which in turn led to the project in questions shutting down.