Okay, maybe I am wrong. If you have any example of a century old depiction of racist stereotypes towards black that are similar to the depiction of black people in the movie Falling Down, please feel free to share.
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Why are black people so universally hated?
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Okay, maybe I am wrong. If you have any example of a century old depiction of racist stereotypes towards black that are similar to the depiction of black people in the movie Falling Down, please feel free to share.
samus i am
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Some of my best friends are black.
Yeah, it went from not being in mainstream culture at all to primarily being in mainstream culture if they fit a stereotype and were "safe".
Typhoon_Ex
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CommonSense
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Of limpdick son.
Dravidians are a minority in South Asia who are more Negroid than Caucasian and are in the South of India.
The majority are infact the Indo-Aryans and are Caucasian (though some ethnicities can be mixed with some Sino-Tibetan tribes who are Mongoloid or in the case of Western Pakistan, are heavily Iranian influenced).
I mean a general survey with fixed answers ie:
Black
White
South Asian
East Asian
Native
Glass Rebel
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huh.
RukusProvider
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The word black generally has very negative association thus using the same word word to describe a group of people really goes a long way to subconsciously make a similar negative association.
GotEmRunnin
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I'm not universally hated.
Hated by some, but not because of my skin but usually because I'm a asshole co-worker and a prick of a boss.
Hated by some, but not because of my skin but usually because I'm a asshole co-worker and a prick of a boss.
That question sounds strange to me... They are? Where? (other than in the obvious cases of racist groups).
I don't hate black people. My friends and people I've happened to talk about such issues don't hate black people.
There is always a xenophobic minority (sadly more than a minority here in Greece the past few years with everything going on), but this has to do with fears of what immigrants might do to survive in general, nothing to do with specific skin colors.
To my experience your claim is invalid, sorry. The most fear and hatred towards black people I've ever seen is on Hollywood movies.
I don't hate black people. My friends and people I've happened to talk about such issues don't hate black people.
There is always a xenophobic minority (sadly more than a minority here in Greece the past few years with everything going on), but this has to do with fears of what immigrants might do to survive in general, nothing to do with specific skin colors.
To my experience your claim is invalid, sorry. The most fear and hatred towards black people I've ever seen is on Hollywood movies.
its true! so many genres are black-invented
rock, jazz, blues, reggae, dub, hip-hop, like almost every modern genre
also the concept of a remix came from a black man
also the other 2 things i listed
A lot of "stupid, eats watermelon/chicken, lesser race, bushmen, etc."
By the way, I am not arguing about the quality or quantity of racism. I'm not saying that people are less or more racist now. I'm just saying that the racism was expressed differently.
I'm trying to provide a concise example:
As far as I understand, people 50+ years ago would not change the side of the street when they would run into black people. They would expect the blacks to move out of their way. Because in their mind blacks were lesser people.
Now, racist/xenophobic people would probably try to move to the other side of the street because they would be afraid of being robbed/hassled/whatever. In their minds, blacks are aggressive gangbangers. (Exception to militant white power idiots, of course)
That's the difference in expression of racism that happend in the last 30 years I am trying to convey. And I think the portrayal of blacks in mainstream media has a lot to do with it.
Forceatowulf
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I really want to know the percentages though.
I don't know man. A fairly large number to you might seem like an absolute joke to me. Perception and all that.
I remember when I first moved to Michigan I heard many people comment about this States large Mexican population. Now, having been born and raised in California for 15 years of my life these comments were just hilarious to me. They're not even in the same stratosphere.
It's still a ridiculous proposition because there are many homogenous parts of this world that never encounter each other or can even tell the subtle differences between races from the same part of the world.
There's no way you are over 19 years old.
wat. So the criminal stereotype(ie this person is scary, they might kill me, steal from me, they take drugs etc.) wasn't around before rap? That's a new one.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows what a black person looks like. The thing is many people that have never come in contact with black people still hate them anyway. Biggest examples I can think of at the moment would be South Korea, Turkey, and Russia. You don't have to come in contact with a group to hate a group.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
there are :V
It was there, it wasn't as prevalent with black people, though. As far as I know, around the 1900s the stereotype of aggressive thug, criminal, whatever was more openly attributed to people from Ireland than from Africa for example (this particular example is from a documentary on the history of NYC, so maybe it was a regional thing).
Forceatowulf
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Umm there are. I have visited friends in them for Christ sakes...
Just so you guys have some numbers for your discussion:
This is one of the more recent social distance surveys from 2005 (US). Social distance in this context is a scale that measure how close people of a certain ethnicity do want people from other ethnicities in their near vicinity. The best possible score is 1, the highest 7:
What is striking that there is no entry over 2, although I need to admit that this survey only has been conducted among college students.
Anyway, for the blacks:
Blacks are indeed less liked than the "other ethnicities" overall, excluding whites. Basically every member of a minority that isnt White, African American, American Indian, Jamaican, Muslim, Puerto Ricans, Hispanic and African has a lower social distance to "Other ethnicities" than black. Out of those that DO like blacks more than others ethnicities, only Africans, African Americans and Puerto Ricans show a somewhat significant difference in social distance to blacks (>0,1) compared to other ethnicities.
One of the reasons for that might be a scapegoat behaviour. Ethnic minorities that try to settle in the US typically have a hard time being assimilated into society, but history showed that ethnic minorities who lived out a prejudicial behavior seen from the dominant group, had an easier way of adjusting and assimilating into society. The dominant groups of whites however, as you can see in the social distance statistics, have overall long forgotten to hold a grudge against blacks, and view them as the most assimilated of all non-white ethnicities.
I guess its just that this perception, of whites disliking the backs, still lives on. And therefore projecting that scapegoat behaviour from other minorities onto them.
Of course you still got racial slurs and behaviour from whites, but as the statistics showed, whites have a way closer social distance than what people might perceive. There is still the caveat with this survey being taken among college students, but thats the only thing I can offer right now.
This is one of the more recent social distance surveys from 2005 (US). Social distance in this context is a scale that measure how close people of a certain ethnicity do want people from other ethnicities in their near vicinity. The best possible score is 1, the highest 7:
What is striking that there is no entry over 2, although I need to admit that this survey only has been conducted among college students.
Anyway, for the blacks:
Blacks are indeed less liked than the "other ethnicities" overall, excluding whites. Basically every member of a minority that isnt White, African American, American Indian, Jamaican, Muslim, Puerto Ricans, Hispanic and African has a lower social distance to "Other ethnicities" than black. Out of those that DO like blacks more than others ethnicities, only Africans, African Americans and Puerto Ricans show a somewhat significant difference in social distance to blacks (>0,1) compared to other ethnicities.
One of the reasons for that might be a scapegoat behaviour. Ethnic minorities that try to settle in the US typically have a hard time being assimilated into society, but history showed that ethnic minorities who lived out a prejudicial behavior seen from the dominant group, had an easier way of adjusting and assimilating into society. The dominant groups of whites however, as you can see in the social distance statistics, have overall long forgotten to hold a grudge against blacks, and view them as the most assimilated of all non-white ethnicities.
I guess its just that this perception, of whites disliking the backs, still lives on. And therefore projecting that scapegoat behaviour from other minorities onto them.
Of course you still got racial slurs and behaviour from whites, but as the statistics showed, whites have a way closer social distance than what people might perceive. There is still the caveat with this survey being taken among college students, but thats the only thing I can offer right now.
CommonSense
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Guess you have never been to Philly
Hahaha. Where do you live?
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shinobi602
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Just so you guys have some numbers for your discussion:
This is one of the more recent social distance surveys from 2005 (US). Social distance in this context is a scale that measure how close people of a certain ethnicity do want people from other ethnicities in their near vicinity. The best possible score is 1, the highest 7:
Seems Arabs and Muslims have it the worst then?
ZackieChan
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Mikey Jr.
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I work at a security gatehouse for a condominium and an apartment and have been working there for a year.
I see a lot of people pass through.
80% of the time, a black male that comes through isn't nice. They won't say hi, they won't say thank you, they won't smile, and they generally have this attitude about them. Black females fair much better though.
The nicest are South Asian/Asian are probably the nicest. Whites fall in the middle.
Now, I don't hate black males, but the vast majority of my experience with them haven't been very positive. But yeah, its something you learn, plus the media doesn't help. You always hear about black males going to prison, or mugging someone, etc.
I see a lot of people pass through.
80% of the time, a black male that comes through isn't nice. They won't say hi, they won't say thank you, they won't smile, and they generally have this attitude about them. Black females fair much better though.
The nicest are South Asian/Asian are probably the nicest. Whites fall in the middle.
Now, I don't hate black males, but the vast majority of my experience with them haven't been very positive. But yeah, its something you learn, plus the media doesn't help. You always hear about black males going to prison, or mugging someone, etc.
Definitely. They are the top dog of disliked ethnicities in the US. But that isnt really a surprise to anyone I guess.
Forceatowulf
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Or Los Angeles.
The Incarnation
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The answer is probably because we're easier to spot.
African-AmericansJust so you guys have some numbers for your discussion:
Indians (American)
Americans (white)
lol
ConfusingJazz
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You do know why there are Chinatowns, right?
samus i am
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I'm not sure I believe that. Take for instance the New York City draft riots in 1863. Mobs were roaming the streets of NYC and killing every black person they saw.
Glass Rebel
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But I thought Chinatowns only consisted of restaurants!
Metalmurphy
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Forceatowulf
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And an extra bone in our legs to make us run faster.
yes, someone actually said that shit to me when I was younger...
Black_Stride
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This is the first im hearing about Black people being universally hated.
Damn.......
Damn.......
Whats so funny about that?
Again, I'm not arguing that the racism now is different in quality or quantity (this would be an entirely different discussion). I'm arguing that the racist stereotypes attributed to blacks were different back then.
dacuk
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I would say is the use of the color black as representation of ominous and evil things and feelings.
Sadly, culture reaffirms this: Saying "Today was a black day for...", "A dark horizon...", etc.
CommonSense
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cutmeamango
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Because they are naggers.
ya....no
You are sorely mistaken if you think the criminal stereotype didn't exist or was in the background until the 90's. The scary black man stereotype has always been there along with the other shit that went around during that time as well. You act as if gangsta rap never got off the ground black people would experience no form of discrimination and we would live in the great post-racial world Obama was supposed to bring to us.
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