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Epic knows PS4/NEXTXBOX specs - [Giving recommendations w/ commercial mindedness]
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DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Ill accept more expensive consoles and what not, but this has to be the END of DLC, either make a damn stand alone expansion worth the money in customization and CONTENT or fuck off, the DLC model is just out of hand. And epic and their season pass is just as guilty as the rest. Half this shit should be rolled up into patches and given to the players. And if players could do their own maps and weapon skins with a mod kit they would and even more games would last that much longer on console.
for now im gonna have to go with PC in the future. I will miss my fighting games on PSN and xboxlive but fuck it charging money per character and for costumes??? no sir.
for now im gonna have to go with PC in the future. I will miss my fighting games on PSN and xboxlive but fuck it charging money per character and for costumes??? no sir.
mugurumakensei
Member
When you simplify it down to a grid of nodes, the nodes only need to be aware of their immediate visible environment which is typically pretty small.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I'm in there like swimwear.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
I play both. And being 7 years later it's not unrealistic to expect a nice leap and considering console games having a huge influence on the PC side of development this generation, negatively at times because of choices to preserve console development, it's not too black and white.
Can we please stop this practice of linking to articles that just recap an article from another source? "Actively lobbying" for the consoles to be more powerful (which implies they are not currently powerful) is not a quote from Epic.
Quote:
Wired's interpretation:
Eurogamer's interpretation of Wired's article:
Quote:
Wired's interpretation:
Eurogamer's interpretation of Wired's article:
bigboss370
Member
at the end of the day, the specs don't matter so much as the software the systems will be running. and that software does need to look a leap or two beyond the maximum we have now.
CoffeeExpress
Member
I'd listen to Epic. Without that extra ram in the 360, the PS3 could have easily outclassed it in terms of graphics with games such as Uncharted.
But then on the other hand, we are getting to a point where graphical leaps just aren't what they used to be.. would that money spent on doubling the ram be better spent on providing better connectivity and security? (especially since the PS3 hacking scandal). I would say they would probably end up going for the latter.
But then on the other hand, we are getting to a point where graphical leaps just aren't what they used to be.. would that money spent on doubling the ram be better spent on providing better connectivity and security? (especially since the PS3 hacking scandal). I would say they would probably end up going for the latter.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I'm sorry but I find it very difficult to believe that Epic doesn't know the current specs/final desired specs for Sony/Microsoft.
But then the thread wouldn't even be a page long!
The videogame industry right now is a dinosaur anyway. Time for some change. It's time for a standard, like the Iphone or Ipad, where people can buy new versions without MS or Sony having to ditch their old machine. But just create value in the service 'xbox' not the box. Like Apple does with iOS.
That wasn't my point. It's irrelevant whether they know what the specs are. My point is that the actual quotes from Epic do not say they are 'actively lobbying' to get the console makers to increase the specs. That is a line from Wired, not Epic. Epic's quote just says they are in a better position to provide recommendations than other developers. Nothing in Sweeney or Cliffy's quotes indicate whether they were successful in getting their recommendations implemented
MoogleWizard
Member
No thanks, I don't want the gaming industry to become Hollywood and all big titles to be stream-lined, safe and dumbed down so they can appeal to a wider audience and turn a profit for the longer dev cycles, more resources, higher costs and more man power that are needed to create this "huge leap".
And if so much focus is put on the visuals, what matters most, the games itself, will likely suffer. There's a reason why the games with the best graphics are usually the ones that only let you walk narrow paths through corridor levels and play scripted events.
And if so much focus is put on the visuals, what matters most, the games itself, will likely suffer. There's a reason why the games with the best graphics are usually the ones that only let you walk narrow paths through corridor levels and play scripted events.
Diddy Kong
Banned
x100000000000
Sure. But they are doing God's work.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say you are not an impartial party.
nincompoop
Banned
I think you're about seven years too late
I admire their scheming ways
-Amon-
Member
Can't understand the meaning of this, sorry.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Im my research I've found a mediocre number of people who can tell a difference and a much smaller minority who actually care.
I can't get into more detail, but the groups were a broad range of those identifying themselves as gamers and owning any combination of systems. The parameters were quite detailed and not geared toward Wii-only owners at all.
Of course Epic is pushing it, they developed it, spent millions into R&D; it would be a pretty shit situation for them im the next consoles cant run it. Or if its not justifiable for developers to license UE4 over UE3, because the consoles cant use the full potential of the engine and the difference between them is not worth the investment by developers.
Epic doesnt give about gamers, they just want to make money.
Epic doesnt give about gamers, they just want to make money.
3) Launch a console when a new Mario/Pokemon game is coming out on the competitors device.
Call me a moron/idiot/whatever....
But I'm still pretty satisfied with PS3/360 level specs. I only started playing RDR last month and it's blowing me away (and I'm playing the inferior Ps3 version).
I'd be happy with a moderate tech jump for next gen. How about making the systems more reliable this time?
But I'm still pretty satisfied with PS3/360 level specs. I only started playing RDR last month and it's blowing me away (and I'm playing the inferior Ps3 version).
I'd be happy with a moderate tech jump for next gen. How about making the systems more reliable this time?
And Nintendo bathes in cash and people enjoy gaming while MS and Sony bleed out every orrifice with the same games. Let's get this generation ended right.
EricDiesel
Member
Give me whatever leap $400 can get in 2013/14 and I'll be happy. Maybe Epic would love another 599 US DOLLARS situation (or worse), but most people surely wouldn't. It seems like they're happy to see the industry go down in flames as long as they sell their engine.
(And those images look no more impressive than Samaritan, so what's the point?)
V The Wii was an upgraded Gamecube. Not a great argument.
(And those images look no more impressive than Samaritan, so what's the point?)
V The Wii was an upgraded Gamecube. Not a great argument.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Yes, Wii sure did get that dev support over PS360!
Nizz
Member
Pretty much. I honestly don't want to pay more than $399 for a next gen console. I'm guessing it'll be a nice jump at least from what we have now.
i think sony should just pull a Nintendo and make a weak console with some gimik.now publishers will have to chose 2 platform vs 1.
Sony will hit 2 birds with a single stone take out Microsoft and reduce development costs.
Joke aside gen 8 will be most depressing in terms of graphics variety where we will see most developers using same techniques and game will tend to look same.the only differentiation factor will be services ?
Sony will hit 2 birds with a single stone take out Microsoft and reduce development costs.
Joke aside gen 8 will be most depressing in terms of graphics variety where we will see most developers using same techniques and game will tend to look same.the only differentiation factor will be services ?
AwakenedCloud
Member
I'm hoping the base PS3/NextBox are ~$399 and the premium version is $499, make them nice and expensive. Let the early adopters sustain them for a year or so, and once the price drop comes and software is bundled people like me will jump in.
If we're going to have these boxes for 8+ years, I don't want them to peak early in their life cycle.
If we're going to have these boxes for 8+ years, I don't want them to peak early in their life cycle.
faceless007
Member
The implication you're making doesn't contradict AzaK's post at all.
It's a good sign that Sony didn't go crazy with Vita pricing. Regardless of how that system has been received, nobody guessed they'd be able to sell it for under $300.
Karak
Member
Why is there such a massive disconnect between the article and the posts here? EPIC never said anything about seeing a system and stating it was under powered. And the one article where they do talk about their behind the scenes dealings requires a pretty big jump for some 2 bit writer to throw an entire thought process behind it. That is just bad writing.
As for the pricing discussion I personally am hoping for MS to continue new ways of sellings systems including their next gen like the 99.99 deal they have now.
As for the pricing discussion I personally am hoping for MS to continue new ways of sellings systems including their next gen like the 99.99 deal they have now.
Wii shone bright and then imploded. MS/Sony will want long generations which you need longevity in the hardware and good 3rd party support for
and I wish we wouldn't use single examples to predict anything in the console space.
systemfehler
Member
Of course EPIC wants more powerfull consoles but I doubt that their leverage/lobby is strong enough to actually change Sony and MS in their direction. A different situation would arise if MS goes for more power alone - then EPIC could start to convince Sony to do the same or be left out.
In general I prefer a power horse console especially if they launch in 2014. I don't mind if they last as long as this generation. So a decent amount of horse power is needed (for my taste) and compared to price/years in use I think the PS3 wasn't a bad deal or anything.
In general I prefer a power horse console especially if they launch in 2014. I don't mind if they last as long as this generation. So a decent amount of horse power is needed (for my taste) and compared to price/years in use I think the PS3 wasn't a bad deal or anything.
jump_button
Banned
Maybe SONY and MS keep to they 10 year plan? Big N fan are ready for the jump but still cant say same for twins will they be happy with better lighting?
NinjaBoiX
Member
In the PS2 era, Free Radical can make a prototype of a game with a budget slightly over 100k. This gen, the licensed middleware or engine alone is worth multiple times.
The current dependance on middleware developers doesn't help the industry to get more profit. It's time to change things.
The current dependance on middleware developers doesn't help the industry to get more profit. It's time to change things.
Blue Ninja
Member
It's true, development costs are way too freakin' high right now. Way I see it, either at some point technological advancements in the graphics department are going to start stagnating or it'll become way too cost-ineffective to continuously improve and replace the technology. Instead, we'll get developers and publishers working their best to streamline development and just make it cheaper working with the technology they have.
If next gen is capable of delivering 1080p with a reasonable FPS for games with the graphical fidelity of, say, Crysis 2, I can see devs sticking around for a long, long time.
Yep we should see a nice leap for that kind of prie these days surely. I guess it comes down to them making money day one or not.
CadetMahoney
Member
GOD I hope it's not the same shit like this gen where both PS4 and 720 are basically on parity with nothing really different to give a shit about. One of the other has to have something more to make things interesting.
This is Nintendo's thinking and look at they shit they get for it.
Haunted
Member
That's what they said about the PS3.
and
came the five hundred ninety nine us dollahs bomb
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Honestly I would rather the consoles be $499.99...
I mean, most of us thought when we bought our 360 for $399.99 in 2005 that a new one would be coming out in 2010 or 2011 at the latest. Here we are in 2012 and the next xbox is nowhere to be seen.
If the 720 launches in fall 2013, it will most likely last even longer before the next generation, which means we will very likely be stuck with whatever graphical horsepower the 720 brings in 2013, until 2020-2023.
I mean really, instead of buying a second launch game or controller, why not pony up an extra 100 bucks for a device that is going to last 10+ years?
Lets not be so shortsighted... Advancing of technology in video games is a great thing, lets not stagnate the progress further....
I mean, most of us thought when we bought our 360 for $399.99 in 2005 that a new one would be coming out in 2010 or 2011 at the latest. Here we are in 2012 and the next xbox is nowhere to be seen.
If the 720 launches in fall 2013, it will most likely last even longer before the next generation, which means we will very likely be stuck with whatever graphical horsepower the 720 brings in 2013, until 2020-2023.
I mean really, instead of buying a second launch game or controller, why not pony up an extra 100 bucks for a device that is going to last 10+ years?
Lets not be so shortsighted... Advancing of technology in video games is a great thing, lets not stagnate the progress further....