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Spring Anime 2012 II | Welcome Home Eureka

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I should start watching this...
 

Articalys

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AKB0048 4

Not the same formula as the last two episodes, but that's not a bad thing for me. The last two main characters also make their appearance and they're cool.
Maybe they resolved the sisters' conflict a bit quickly, but Chieri looks to be on the outs with most of them now so it's not over yet.
Also, lololol at
the in-series Acchan the 13th also graduating. Coincidence? Probably, but it makes you wonder...
Guess I'll just have to get used to the CG dancing.
Looking forward to next week.
 

cajunator

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AKB0048 4

Not the same formula as the last two episodes, but that's not a bad thing for me. The last two main characters also make their appearance and they're cool.
Maybe they resolved the sisters' conflict a bit quickly, but Chieri looks to be on the outs with most of them now so it's not over yet.
Also, lololol at
the in-series Acchan the 13th also graduating. Coincidence? Probably, but it makes you wonder...
Guess I'll just have to get used to the CG
dancing.
Looking forward to next week.

Just watch Precure and you'll be well adjusted to cg dancing!
 

Articalys

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Just watch Precure and you'll be well adjusted to cg dancing!
I watched all of Heartcatch and the first several eps of Smile and was fine with it; the difference is that those are separate ending sequences from the main show and this is switching back and forth between 2D and 3DCG cuts in the same regular scene. It's not bad, just a tad jarring.
 

duckroll

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Yeah the CG dancing in AKB0048 ep4 was pretty amazing. CG for all the group shots, but 2D for the close ups. Totally.... strange... and yet so powerful. Oh Kawamori.... Sensei Sensei...
 

Branduil

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Fate/Zero 20

Look at how much better
looks. I feel totally vindicated.

I'm glad they decided to
kill of most of the boring characters before the final battle starts
. Also, it's amazing how magic doesn't actually make anyone happier in this show.
 

Dresden

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fate/zero - 20

Decent episode. This being a prequel, the conversation between Irisiviel and
Kerry / Maiya had a special poignancy to it, or a horrible irony, depending on how you look at it. Thought it a pity that the latter went out in such a fashion--but then, she's a normal human in a fucked up magic world. Still, something felt missing there.

The survivors regroup, replan, and re-fuel (sometimes in unexpectedly penetrating ways); the episode set up the rest of the show while bringing the tripartite saga of Kerry's growth to a close. The obvious change
into sentimentality--where he can't help but feel--is going to come to a play later on, even if it's just down to the very basic but explicit decision to send Saber back to Iri with a command spell.

Feel bad for Waver and Rider.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction of Saber/Kerry once they have to confront the possibility of the Grail not actually being real. Also shows Rider's mettle as well.

And man, Zouken is just pure cartoon fucking evil and that's just fine. :lol
 

Branduil

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fate/zero - 20

Decent episode. This being a prequel, the conversation between Irisiviel and
Kerry / Maiya had a special poignancy to it, or a horrible irony, depending on how you look at it. Thought it a pity that the latter went out in such a fashion--but then, she's a normal human in a fucked up magic world. Still, something felt missing there.

The survivors regroup, replan, and re-fuel (sometimes in unexpectedly penetrating ways); the episode set up the rest of the show while bringing the tripartite saga of Kerry's growth to a close. The obvious change
into sentimentality--where he can't help but feel--is going to come to a play later on, even if it's just down to the very basic but explicit decision to send Saber back to Iri with a command spell.

Feel bad for Waver and Rider.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction of Saber/Kerry once they have to confront the possibility of the Grail not actually being real. Also shows Rider's mettle as well.

And man, Zouken is just pure cartoon fucking evil and that's just fine. :lol

I don't quite understand why
Kiritsugu had to use a command spell to make Saber go back... seems like she wouldn't need to be ordered to do that.

You gotta be trolling if you think that actually looks good, nevermind better than the awesome CG version. :p

There's a reason why it barely moves and is only used in a dream sequence.

Because it's easier.
 

Dresden

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I don't quite understand why
Kiritsugu had to use a command spell to make Saber go back... seems like she wouldn't need to be ordered to do that.
Presumably because it would teleport her to the location instant of needing her to drive back. Also, instant contact sans bulky 90's cellbricks.
 

duckroll

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I don't quite understand why
Kiritsugu had to use a command spell to make Saber go back... seems like she wouldn't need to be ordered to do that.

I believe the Command Spells are also a form of magic which allows you to do something that might not normally be possible. So his "order" helped teleport her immediately, rather than requiring her to travel back physically.

what is the general consensus of the use of CG in Fate Zero?
I think it works in its favour maybe 70% of the time

I'll say 86.35%. I measured it. Seems scientific.
 

Branduil

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Presumably because it would teleport her to the location instant of needing her to drive back. Also, instant contact sans bulky 90's cellbricks.

Did they establish that command seals can make servants instantly teleport before?

Seems like Kayneth should have used that to make Lancer teleport inbetween Kiritsugu and Sola-Ui before instead of killing himself.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
MGX 7


it's weird that bust sizes change like literally every scene/angle switch, but an otherwise fun and surprisingly sexy eps.

I noticed that with L from Upotte and by that I mean someone else pointed that out to me. I keep my eyes clearly planted on the face at all times. Honest.
 

duckroll

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Did they establish that command seals can make servants instantly teleport before?

Seems like Kayneth should have used that to make Lancer teleport inbetween Kiritsugu and Sola-Ui before instead of killing himself.

Why would that work? Kiritsugu, Saber, and Iri are all combat capable, while Sola-Ui was completely out of it, and Kayneth could no longer use magic. Lancer is a weak Servant who already destroyed on of his own spears. The odds were against him and the only chance he had for survival was to remove himself from the fight - which was the offer Kiritsugu gave him.


But... archer?

What about him?
 

Dresden

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Did they establish that command seals can make servants instantly teleport before?
Explicitly,
only in F/SN, if I remember correctly. It's implied somewhat earlier in the show when Maiya chops off Sola-Ui's arm, though; it wasn't just the possibility of Lancer being able to home in they feared, it was Sola summoning him to her location as well. Otherwise it's just something they assume you'd know.
 

Branduil

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Why would that work? Kiritsugu, Saber, and Iri are all combat capable, while Sola-Ui was completely out of it, and Kayneth could no longer use magic. Lancer is a weak Servant who already destroyed on of his own spears. The odds were against him and the only chance he had for survival was to remove himself from the fight - which was the offer Kiritsugu gave him.

Well the odds were against him in any case. I guess it depends on how instant the teleporting is. I think Lancer could probably defeat Kiritsugu if he had the jump on him. With Kiritsugu dead, you'd have Saber without a mana source and Iri's morale crushed, who was already close to collapsing. I think rationally it would definitely be the better option, but Kayneth wasn't really thinking rationally or he would never have agreed to terms so full of loopholes.
 

duckroll

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Can't he poof around with ease? I just assumed being able to poof where ever is a universal servant ability.

Servants can disappear when they don't need to take a physical form, but I don't think they actually instantly teleport.

Well the odds were against him in any case. I guess it depends on how instant the teleporting is. I think Lancer could probably defeat Kiritsugu if he had the jump on him. With Kiritsugu dead, you'd have Saber without a mana source and Iri's morale crushed, who was already close to collapsing. I think rationally it would definitely be the better option, but Kayneth wasn't really thinking rationally or he would never have agreed to terms so full of loopholes.

I can't really think of any situation where that would actually work though. It's not like Kiritsugu is stupid either, so if Kayneth tried to use a Command Spell to do anything other than what he said, he would have just killed Sola-Ui, and then Kayneth. He would risk Lancer going to another Master, but it would be a minor loss.
 

Branduil

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Servants can disappear when they don't need to take a physical form, but I don't think they actually instantly teleport.

I can't really think of any situation where that would actually work though. It's not like Kiritsugu is stupid either, so if Kayneth tried to use a Command Spell to do anything other than what he said, he would have just killed Sola-Ui, and then Kayneth. He would risk Lancer going to another Master, but it would be a minor loss.

Like I said, it all depends on how fast the teleportation actually works. Kayneth isn't enough of a quick thinker to plan something like that, though.
 
Like I said, it all depends on how fast the teleportation actually works. Kayneth isn't enough of a quick thinker to plan something like that, though.
That plan could have possibly worked, it's just not something Kayneth thought of. He was panicked and afraid of dying. And who knows if Kiri puts a bullet in his head before Lancer could even save him.
 

Dresden

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Like I said, it all depends on how fast the teleportation actually works. Kayneth isn't enough of a quick thinker to plan something like that, though.

Still wouldn't matter because Kiritsugu would just pop bullet time. Only reason he didn't just shoot Sola and Kayneth on sight was to eliminate Lancer as well.

Admittedly this is starting to enter the typical type-moon "can shiki kill servants" territory.
 

Branduil

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That plan could have possibly worked, it's just not something Kayneth thought of. He was panicked and afraid of dying. And who knows if Kiri puts a bullet in his head before Lancer could even save him.

Well if there's one thing that the series makes clear it's that
Kayneth is extremely bad at thinking outside the box.

Still wouldn't matter because Kiritsugu would just pop bullet time. Only reason he didn't just shoot Sola and Kayneth on sight was to eliminate Lancer as well.

Admittedly this is starting to enter the typical type-moon "can shiki kill servants" territory.

Kiritsugi can't enter bullet time if he's not yet aware of Lancer, which is why I said the speed of teleportation is what matters.

But yeah this is getting really geeky really fast.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Um... no. This is wrong. From what I've heard, the Saki Achiga-hen manga was started because they wanted to do another anime, but the main series wasn't nearly ready, so Saki Achiga-hen, with a different artist but still written by Ritz Kobayashi, was born. I believe that the manga is basically the template for the anime, and I don't know if the manga would ever have been started without the desire to do another anime project. I would suspect not, myself.
I'm thinking specifically about the anime though. If the whole point of the anime is to just promote the manga, then there's really no grander plan. But the fact that they brought in all the characters from the original series just to say a few lines (and presumably pay the actors to do so) makes me wonder if there isn't something planned down the pipeline.

Unless Japan is like America where the voice actors can literally phone in their performances to the studio. :p

Written by Joss Wheedon?
It has strong women!
 
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