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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country
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It will be posted in its own thread, or here, tomorrow (in 20/24h to be precise). Why not now ? Because as i said, i'm talking with moderators to decide about that.
It's nothing really surprising or unexpected though, don't think it's haptic
I agree. I think some of the OS features is what Nintendo is most paranoid about competitors copying. For example, if Nintendo announced some sort of StreetPass gamer card or smart phone app, what's to stop Microsoft from writing an app and putting it on smart phone stores next month?
I do really wish they would give us launch MONTH, though.
I am sorry, I misread the post. I thought you were saying that developers knew about it in March 2010, which I thought was a little weird. haha
It will be posted in its own thread, or here, tomorrow (in 20/24h to be precise). Why not now ? Because as i said, i'm talking with moderators to decide about that.
It's nothing really surprising or unexpected though, don't think it's haptic
Ahh, just wondering. I only read this thread every other day or so. Looking forward to it.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Yeah, I would at least hope developers would have heard about it before March 2010.
I just meant that is the absolute latest it is even possible for them to have heard about it, and that was 11 months from release. We are less than 6 months away from the Wii U launch.The wait... it is torture. I am going on GAF blackout after I post the Konami conference thread.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Hey GAF, you got a phone call.
SEVEN DAYS.
SEVEN DAYS.
And about 18 hours, I think
I think the OS is a big focus, so I guess we'll get a sneak peak next week at the very least. Not necessarily during the press conference, though.
Think about it: We all know Microsoft wants the living room. So does Nintendo, albeit for entirely different reasons. Unlike Microsoft, Nintendo doesn't have codecs, servers and DRM solutions to sell (well, they kinda do now that they own Mobiclip, but I don't think they're interested in that sort of stuff), but they're competing for time and attention. They most likely want to become the living room hub as much as Microsoft does, if not more so. The OS is incredibly important in that regard.
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Rösti
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I thought that the E3 would be a WiiU blowout? I really hope that they dont hold back a lot of stuff.
Lol, nice idea to make a video like that.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It will be a blowout for games. I'm thinking Nintendo will hold back some substantial things though. I think they are thinking they don't want too much information out and just want people to focus on the games right now, but I bet they will comment on online in some form (basic features, "we are really making a commitment to online gameplay with Wii U", etc), but I don't really expect to see too much of the OS.
I'd love to be wrong. I'm just looking at what the did for Wii and 3DS.
bgassassin
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I don't think they have too much of a choice. They "dug their own grave" when talking about who they wanted to target. Not that they have to show it at this E3, but they will have to be able to show the console is capable of looking better than current consoles and being able to keep up with the next consoles in some fashion.
At worst it's going to be like PS4, but with more memory.
Portugeezer
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I really need to upgrade my CPU, I am sure it bottlenecks some games like Crysis and GTA IV, those games drop to the low 20's at times and I built my rig in 2011. But most games run fine other than that.
Both CPU heavy and both open world.
Have a Phenom II X4 840 @ 3.2GHz and a HD 5850, 4GB's RAM.
test_account
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They will probably have most focus on the games indeed. I hope that they will demo the online at least.
invaderzim69
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Man. I get confused with the power levels, maybe because its not in super saiyan terms.
8GB!?
bgassassin
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LOL. I'd like to see the cost on the console if that happened.
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Rösti
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While games will inevitably be a huge part of their press conference and attendance at E3, don't forget about the developer discussion with Wii U hardware producer Katsuya Eguchi. While of course an operating system isn't hardware, maybe some features of the OS will be described or mentioned while talking about certain aspects of the hardware (either the controller or in terms of processor, RAM etc.). I don't expect anything deep though.
I honestly wonder what that discussion will be about, and what form it will be in. For easy access, a text discussion would be the most logical choice but that also makes for a rather redundant piece of information detailing exclusively the Wii U Remote. Unless they have hidden some kind of "turbo mode" from the developers, what possibly could they want to talk about unless they have completely changed course and are just going to throw out a lengthy spec sheet?
Xbox720 will ship as server blades for Cloud rendering farms.
Guess who's back!
u know this was a better design than the box Nintendo ended up with lol
Where would the discs go?
bgassassin
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Haha. Devs would get a reason to run things unoptimized and make games the live up to their dreams.
Portugeezer
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In the controller.
maquiladora
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Hullo chums, I don't drop into these threads very often so this may be old news to you but I've been hunting for interesting Linkedin profiles and found this:
http://se.linkedin.com/in/pavankumarmadasu
I don't even know how interesting that is, but it's Wii U related, heh....
http://se.linkedin.com/in/pavankumarmadasu
I don't even know how interesting that is, but it's Wii U related, heh....
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qizah
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I, unfortunately, do not have that kind of money to burn
As someone who has never built his own gaming rig, is it expensive to maintain? I've always heard that PC gaming is expensive, expensive to maintain and not 'worth it' over buying consoles, however whenever I compare the PC version of Game X to the console version of Game X, it's obvious the PC version looks nicer and runs smoother (usually).
I'm thinking of investing in a Gaming PC as well as a Wii U, because I figure that way I won't miss out on titles.
My take on the Wii U -> PS4/XB3 power gap:
Given the rumored specs for PS4/XB3, both Sony and MS are probably looking for a 10 year life cycle to recoup R&D costs over the long run (If the 2014 release date for XB3 is true, then the 360 would have been around about that timeframe). But I believe Nintendo is aiming for a typical 5 year cycle for the Wii U.
So for the first 1-2 years, Nintendo will have the only “next gen” console. It will probably then take developers about 2 years to fully tap into the true power of PS4/XB3 (outside 1st party efforts and 3rd party exclusives). Until then, the Wii U should be able to handle ports well. But once this time hits and the Wii U no longer has what it takes to handle the ports (or the ports would be so watered down that developers wouldn’t bother), it will be time for Nintendo to unveil their new hardware anyway. At that time, they should be able to produce hardware than is more powerful than Sony/MS' (but not drastically so) at a reasonable price.
Then, Sony releases PS5/XB4 a couple years later and the cycle repeats.
For this strategy to be more effective, the Wii U would have been released last year. Unfortunately for Nintendo, the 3DS was struggling and releasing the Wii U while trying to proper 3DS may have been too much for them to handle.
Given the rumored specs for PS4/XB3, both Sony and MS are probably looking for a 10 year life cycle to recoup R&D costs over the long run (If the 2014 release date for XB3 is true, then the 360 would have been around about that timeframe). But I believe Nintendo is aiming for a typical 5 year cycle for the Wii U.
So for the first 1-2 years, Nintendo will have the only “next gen” console. It will probably then take developers about 2 years to fully tap into the true power of PS4/XB3 (outside 1st party efforts and 3rd party exclusives). Until then, the Wii U should be able to handle ports well. But once this time hits and the Wii U no longer has what it takes to handle the ports (or the ports would be so watered down that developers wouldn’t bother), it will be time for Nintendo to unveil their new hardware anyway. At that time, they should be able to produce hardware than is more powerful than Sony/MS' (but not drastically so) at a reasonable price.
Then, Sony releases PS5/XB4 a couple years later and the cycle repeats.
For this strategy to be more effective, the Wii U would have been released last year. Unfortunately for Nintendo, the 3DS was struggling and releasing the Wii U while trying to proper 3DS may have been too much for them to handle.
Yes.
Well, they finished Xenoblade in 2010, assisted EAD 3 with Skyward Sword... so I suppose they've been working on it since 2010. They were looking for new employees as well.
Yes. Monolith Tokyo is working on a Wii U game (except for the Project X Zone team), Monolith Kyoto is doing a 3DS game. The Wii U game is somehow inspired by Elder Scrolls, and Monolith plans to show the world that a Japanese studio can do technology that rivals Western engines. Their lead engine guy said last year that they were doing prototypes on HD systems for years and that he's confident they'll do something that's up there. Should be interesting.
Horse Armour
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This is some extremely wishful thinking. It won't take devs years to handle the power of the next gen consoles this time around and there's no way Nintendo will have more than a year uncontested in the market.
-Pyromaniac-
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didn't know some of that, hype for monolith's game +10
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Maintain? No. The myth of having to upgrade every six months is just that: a myth. You don't need to maintain your PC financially any more than you need to maintain a console. A good PC user will clean out the dust in their case every once in awhile
, and no download obviously harmful software. But neither of those things cost you (well, a can of compressed air might cost you a tiny amount of money).The entry price for a new PC depends on how much you willing to spend and what you need. If you need a monitor, for example, that will add to the price. If you want a system that's pretty strong, the price on paper is higher than a console upfront, but you need to remember it will last you.
My PC cost me ~AU$1200 (I already had a monitor). I can run Crysis 2 DX11 at 1920x1080 maxed out at ~45fps, never dipping below 30fps. It will serve me into next generation as well.
Holy shit, will buy.
GhostTrick
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Noticeable like ?
PS2 and Xbox difference ?
Dreamcast and Xbox difference ?
N64 and Xbox difference ?
PS2 and Gamecube difference ?
-Pyromaniac-
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BG said the PS4 target specs are already the uhhh target, and lherre said the 360 specs seem clear, so I assume they already know what they want to do.
The shit they've been doing recently wasn't really noteworthy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Voltage_Software#Developed_games
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I tried searching for this, but do you have a source on the Elder's Scrolls inspiration or anything on the Wii U game they are making?
That got me really fucking hyped.
Yep, they're still as terrible as ever.
The Grinder looked kinda cool...
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I am (and I'm sure others gaffers are too). But I suspect those of us excited about the upcoming nintendo hw value elegant engineering, cost- and power efficiency way more than most people.
shadyspace
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what the fuuuuuuuuuck why is this first I'm hearing of this.
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qizah
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Maintain? No. The myth of having to upgrade every six months is just that: a myth. You don't need to maintain your PC financially any more than you need to maintain a console. A good PC user will clean out the dust in their case every once in awhile
The entry price for a new PC depends on how much you willing to spend and what you need. If you need a monitor, for example, that will add to the price. If you want a system that's pretty strong, the price on paper is higher than a console upfront, but you need to remember it will last you.
My PC cost me ~AU$1200 (I already had a monitor). I can run Crysis 2 DX11 at 1920x1080 maxed out at ~45fps, never dipping below 30fps. It will serve me into next generation as well.
Oh, okay so roughly what I estimated it to be. lol okay so as long as you're computer savvy you'll be fine from getting malware and viruses and be able to maintain the machine. Good to know.
I feel like a gaming PC and a Wii U would compliment each other fairly well. I know people did that with the Wii this generation and did fairly fine, although missing out some console exclusives - but I guess I could always budge and get a PS4/next box 2-3 years after release too.
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