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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country

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wsippel

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I love rumors. They're entertaining, even if they're fake. So I'm gonna post this. And this is fake in case it isn't immediately obvious:

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It's nice to want things... :D
 
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Azure J

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DragonKnight said:
Some of you seem really seem to be fine with the WiiU shaping up to be a Wii2 kind of situation. It's disappointing that after 3 consoles launches, nintendo still seems to not be able to get third party support right. Unless they get the casuals on board again with the tablet (and I don't think they will), I don't see this thing selling anywhere close to Wii numbers. But you guys don't care, right? As long as nintendo is producing great first party titles, right? Problem is, they look for profit and growth. They'll nail the profit part but I'm concerned about their growth. They won't get the core crowd to jump from the ps3/ps3 if third party titles essentially function the same. Moreover, any incentive to buy online version of Wii games are instantly nullified due to the install bases of the other system. The come two years. If UE4 becomes the de facto standard, you can say bye-bye to third party support. Cue the "idc about third party support, I only want first party games" response. Great. Nintendo would like to be able to put up Wii--hell even SNES--numbers on a consistent basis. The core group of gamers though isn't enough to do this. I've never seem so much negativity surrouding a console and i don't know if nintendo can pull a rabbit of a hat this e3. One week left gents.
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Dude... I think you are way too invested in this. Like literally, every time I've seen you post, you make these vague allusions to Nintendo fans in this thread only wanting X or settling for Y. As a fan of Nintendo's output, Wii U interests me because it will have the usuals as well as potential for different things with that kooky ass controller. Having modern tech in the box also means that even in the wildest negative fantasy where UE4 is the goddamned Christ delivering gaming manna with its mighty resplendence and Wii U misses out on the party because of something it takes advantage of moreso than what its capable of, UE3 and CryEngine3 still exist, meaning there will always be some avenue to pursue for WiiU development versus none with Wii.

Finally, a very big misconception that you and a few GAF members are still forwarding. Wii didn't get games not because it wasn't powerful but because it was ancient in tech. If they made a Wii that was capable of HD, it would still run into the same situation as the problem wasn't raw power as it was its lack of programmable shaders as per PS360.

As for Nintendo as a company, no doubt they have a plan in mind that they are confident in pursuing and as such it's better to wait and see before damning them than jumping to conclusions and winding up with egg on your face.

Just my two cents.
 
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Oddduck

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Losing Metro Last Light isn't a big deal.

I mean look at the bright side. We still have Ninja Gaiden 3 coming.

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Edit: Kidding of course. I'm sure a lot of new third party games will be revealed at E3 so losing one game won't even matter.
 
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qizah

Unconfirmed Member
JGS said:
I love Nintendo, but they don't know what they're doing in regards to business strategies. This has nothing to do with the silence since that seems pretty common, but what happens in reality. They routinely upset 3rd parties either by not listening to their concerns or keeping them out of the loop while they perfect their games.

At the same time, they seem to think momentum carries them and so they don't release enough games to supplement the drought left by lack of 3rd party. It's sad because they have so much that they could be releasing stuff with any thought of 3rd party support.

I really wish they would view everyone as competition. Nintendo consoles are often the first one I get, but they are rarely the last lol. WiiU is going to be pretty great but not even close to ubiquitous.
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I think this is a bit premature to blame Nintendo for upsetting third parties and having a poor business strategy with the Wii U. We really haven't seen much of anything about the console, all we've heard are conflicting reports from various developers.

E3 is merely a week away. Once their conference is done we'll get a better idea of where the Wii U is headed and what Nintendo's strategy is and whether or not they've put forth effort to get third parties on board.
 
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DragonKnight

Member
AzureJericho said:
Dude... I think you are way too invested in this. Like literally, every time I've seen you post, you make these vague allusions to Nintendo fans in this thread only wanting X or settling for Y. As a fan of Nintendo's output, Wii U interests me because it will have the usuals as well as potential for different things with that kooky ass controller. Having modern tech in the box also means that even in the wildest negative fantasy where UE4 is the goddamned Christ delivering gaming manna with its mighty resplendence and Wii U misses out on the party because of something it takes advantage of moreso than what its capable of, UE3 and CryEngine3 still exist, meaning there will always be some avenue to pursue for WiiU development versus none with Wii.

Finally, a very big misconception that you and a few GAF members are still forwarding. Wii didn't get games not because it wasn't powerful but because it was ancient in tech. If they made a Wii that was capable of HD, it would still run into the same situation as the problem wasn't raw power as it was its lack of programmable shaders as per PS360.

As for Nintendo as a company, no doubt they have a plan in mind that they are confident in pursuing and as such it's better to wait and see before damning them than jumping to conclusions and winding up with egg on your face.

Just my two cents.
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1) I dont see myself as invested in this. I'm not losing any sleep over any of this. It would be nice to see a nintendo console that has their first party efforts and great thread party support. I'm not looking at the short term. I'm looking at the tail end. When i spend my money on a console, I like to known that third party will be there to fill in any gaps. If that's too invested then lets just agree to disagree here. Moreover, the main Crytex studios aren't even keen on the WiiU right now

2) An everyone who frequents this thead knows that the Wii was ancient tech. But you think third parties would have supported it otherwise. Oh like they did with the cube and the 64? Wii didn't have an HDD and had shitty online as well. Not to mention that nintendo didn't even try to go after third parties this gen. Hell, i don't think you could have even loaded games off the the SD card until a later firmware update.

3) Egg of my face? "OH No. Ninendo sold as many units as the Wii so I was wrong on an interent forum". I want nintendo to be successful but as the3DS has shown, their plans and business senses aren't always sound. I hope that every single thing I am saying about the console is wrong. Believe me.
 
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Gravijah

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nintendo walk their own path. it leads to a lot of cool & interesting things, but it also means they make a lot of silly decisions.
 
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Agent Unknown

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I posted the following reply in the 'Geoff says UE4 not coming to Wii U' thread (don't worry, I'm drama averse and have zero intention of getting baited). Thought maybe my fellow Wii U peeps might enjoy having some additional bits to pick at without the risk of stepping into a possibly volatile thread:


Agent Unknown said:
Some people are trying to rethink what Geoff tweeted as "Well, that was months ago at GDC and his source could have just been referring to the tech demos before the Wii U specs got bumped, ect" but why would Geoff wait until now to spring this very important nugget of info unless he was confident it were true and quite likely meant long term for the Wii U and it's respective compatibility with engines like UE4? And why would he post something major like this if it was still premature and he knew months later there was a serious possibility he'd be called out on it?

According to sources in the Wii U speculation thread, there were several bumps to the hardware to help ease dev concerns but according to those who really dissected the info, these bumps may not have been much more than a few frames here and there. Hopefully the Wii U will eventually be able to run a down scaled version of the UE4 but it's not looking good right now.
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Ushojax said:
It will be fascinating to see how the new Xbox/PlayStation are priced if they go for power again. They'll have to take a serious hit on them because consumers will not pay silly prices for gaming hardware any more. Vita has already been an unmitigated disaster, they would be foolish to ignore that warning just because Epic has a new engine to pimp.
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Agent Unknown said:
My thoughts exactly. Sadly there's no chance either MS or Sony are sane or humble enough to be balanced this way. MS is PC centric and has almost endless piles of cash to burn so what do they care if they don't turn a real profit again this gen? And unless Sony starts correcting a lot of the rediculously stupid and self destructive behavior they carry on in all of their divisions (as was pointed out in the recent NY Times 'Sony is in the fight of their life' article) then they'll be too proud not to jump off the cliff again, no question.

But if they're going to go ahead and do it, MS and Sony both need to be very careful as evidenced by a conversation I had with a co-worker earlier this month. I found out one day he's a gamer so we've been having a lot of conversations about next gen. He plays a lot of 360, and XBL a lot of PC and Steam and also owns both a Wii and recently bought a 3DS. When I asked him what he thought about rising costs of the systems/development along with how that impacts customers along with the rumors that XBox 720 and PS4 may not allow used games, he right away cut me off at the end and said "EA is already pulling things like that (online passes ect).  If they even TRY to lock out used games and backwards compatibility, I'll sell my 360 and I won't get the next XBox (he doesn't like Sony anymore so PS4 is already out) and I'll just get a Wii U as my home system and keep using my PC for all of my other games, I won't even hesitate." 

I found the conversation interesting because it shows this type of reaction to how MS and Sony are doing things isn't just confined to the internet and seems to possibly be a growing attitude among a lot gaming consumers. And again, this is a guy who right before saying this was talking about how he plays a lot of online games on XBL, he didn't seem too concerned about giving up his tag and achievements. How it will all pan out in the end once the last two consoles and all their details are revealed and how other consumers react after all remains to be seen of course. But I think this example throws at least a small wrench into the whole "Core gamers won't care in the end, they'll just jump to wherever MS and Sony go" line of thinking.
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jmood88

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DragonKnight said:
Uh. You trying to get banned, junior?
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The funny thing is, I've actually been a member of this site a lot longer than you but for whatever reason it took them forever to validate my account. But no, I'm not trying to get banned and my post was a kind of compliment for him.

Anyway, I also don't like the superfans. It's like they are content with Nintendo just living in a console vacuum like other studios and companies don't exist.
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They seem to be happy with just having a nintendo box and don't care about the lack of third-party support, which doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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Effect

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I said in the other thread that I don't think UE4 would even matter in the end. It would take time for a game even using it to come out. Three years from now at the earliest for example. By the time it's wide spread, if it ever is, the Wii U would be near the end of it's life. I say if it's ever wide spread because of the use of internal engines by developers. Capcom (MT Framework), EA (Frostbite 2), and Ubisoft (Anvil) for example all have their own engines now. Nintendo clearly has their own engines as does Sony and their development houses. Are they going to drop them in favor of UE4 or just take parts that they like? Why wouldn't they have multiple versions of their custom engines tailored to various systems?

What would smaller developers go for in the future? UE4 I think would be an an issue not this coming generation but the next and that is if it ends up being widly adopted and the big publishers/developers decided to drop the engines they've worked hard to create.
 
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Pocks

Member
wsippel said:
It probably could - if it had video in. Which it doesn't as far as we know.
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Orange port mystery solved.


Penguin said:
Seems like Metro Last Light may have been put on the back burner for the Wii U
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ne...t-no-longer-confirmed-for-wii-u-says-thq.html
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Bummer, this is one of the 3rd party games I was actually looking forward to for Wii U. I suppose I'll end up purchasing it on PC now. I'm not interested in a port they put on the backburner.

Reminds me of...
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Hiltz

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DragonKnight said:
1) I dont see myself as invested in this. I'm not losing any sleep over any of this. It would be nice to see a nintendo console that has their first party efforts and great thread party support. I'm not looking at the short term. I'm looking at the tail end. When i spend my money on a console, I like to known that third party will be there to fill in any gaps. If that's too invested then lets just agree to disagree here. Moreover, the main Crytex studios aren't even keen on the WiiU right now

2) An everyone who frequents this thead knows that the Wii was ancient tech. But you think third parties would have supported it otherwise. Oh like they did with the cube and the 64? Wii didn't have an HDD and had shitty online as well. Not to mention that nintendo didn't even try to go after third parties this gen. Hell, i don't think you could have even loaded games off the the SD card until a later firmware update.

3) Egg of my face? "OH No. Nintendo sold as many units as the Wii so I was wrong on an interent forum". I want nintendo to be successful but as the3DS has shown, their plans and business senses aren't always sound. I hope that every single thing I am saying about the console is wrong. Believe me.
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GameCube received pretty good multiplatform support from what I can remember. Of course, third-parties supported the PS2 a lot more.

There's a number of major issues why Wii wasn't a good platform for third-parties. I suppose the biggest one was that the core games just didn't sell that well. Other problems were a result of Wii's outdated hardware, but apparently the lack of programmable shaders was the bigger issue than inadequate horsepower and HD support. Then there's the whole topic of motion control. Nintendo ultimately underestimated the importance of third-party support despite the massive success Wii was for the company by not catering more to the demands of third-parties. Unfortunately, the quality of Wii's life cycle has been only 4 good years of solid software support. Third-parties weren't there to fill int he gaps for 2011 and the only thing memorable about it's 2012 lineup is how it took almost 2 years to release Xenoblade in North America.
 
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Gravijah

Member
i accepted a long time ago that nintendo+third party does not happen. i buy every home console eventually, so i'm not going to be suffering from lack of third party games to play, anyway.
 
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japtor

Member
Linkhero1 said:
I cannot wait for all the Shmup goodness that will come out of the Wii U online service. I can taste it right now. :)
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Nintendo needs to money hat Cave in some way.

...cause Cave really needs the money :(
Shadow Hog said:
Oh, no, I'm actually pretty bummed about the UE4 thing, especially if it becomes popular like UE3 did. Thing is, there's a few wild cards there. UE4's popularity could turn out to be more in line with UE1 and UE2, which were still used a fair amount but nowhere near as much as UE3 was this generation. I honestly don't see that really being the case, granted, but it is a possible outcome. Scalability, too. It might actually scale down enough to run on Wii U, who knows. I can guarantee you Epic isn't going to tout that when they're trying to push for more powerful consoles, though. Maybe once those are out, then they'll be all over that, much like they were quick to tout UE3 on iOS - but that's a big maybe.

All told, I just don't want a Wii 2 situation, where despite being the best-selling console of the generation by a considerable margin, it's considered a lesser console despite that and frequently ignored or downright slammed by the mainstream press.
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I posted an interview with Capps from a while back and that sounds exactly like what they were planning, if anything it sounded like they want to get on mobile and indie development faster than they did with UE3. (edit: here)
DragonKnight said:
Yep. People are acting like WiiU first party support will be there day one as well. It'll take at least a year.
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...it won't have first party games for a year after launch?
shadyspace said:
yeah, what do comrades have to do with Castlevania.
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Castlevania x Rush'n Attack
magash said:
Can you please explain what you mean by the above statement?
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I think basically that Nintendo is stubborn and has been a pain to work with in the past.
like Apple :p
Hiltz said:
GameCube received pretty good multiplatform support from what I can remember. Of course, third-parties supported the PS2 a lot more.

There's a number of issues why Wii wasn't a good platform for third-parties. I suppose the biggest one was that the core games just didn't sell that well. Other problems were a result of Wii's outdated hardware, but apparently the lack of programmable shaders was the bigger issue than inadequate horsepower and HD support.
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Well it was way behind in shaders/basic tech along with horsepower, like even if it supported shaders it'd still likely have trouble with limited RAM and GPU grunt to draw stuff (if not the CPU for more stuff on top of that).
 
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DragonKnight

Member
Gravijah said:
i accepted a long time ago that nintendo+third party does not happen. i buy every home console eventually, so i'm not going to be suffering from lack of third party games to play, anyway.
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I think I might have to take your stance on this one. I guess I can afford to own two consoles.
 
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ShockingAlberto

Member
Oddduck said:
After how abysmal Ninja Gaiden 3 did in sales and reviews for 360/PS3, and the crappy sales of Dead or Alive Dimensions on 3DS, I wouldn't be surprised if Team Ninja/Tecmo cancelled Ninja Gaiden 3 for Wii U.

I mean honestly who would buy the game?
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DOAD was pretty profitable.

Remember, it was entirely old content. There was basically nothing new in it.
 
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nckillthegrimace

Member
wsippel said:
I love rumors. They're entertaining, even if they're fake. So I'm gonna post this. And this is fake in case it isn't immediately obvious:

It's nice to want things... :D
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I refuse to believe this is false with games like Final Fantasy VII-2 3DS and Majora's Mask remake for Wii U.

Do people even try anymore with these fake rumors?
 
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onilink88

Member
Oddduck said:
After how abysmal Ninja Gaiden 3 did in sales and reviews for 360/PS3, and the crappy sales of Dead or Alive Dimensions on 3DS, I wouldn't be surprised if Team Ninja/Tecmo cancelled Ninja Gaiden 3 for Wii U.

I mean honestly who would buy the game?
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Where are people getting this from? Seriously.

"Dead or Alive Dimensions on 3DS sold 310,000 units worldwide while Dynasty Warriors 7 Xtreme Legends sold 160,000 units in Japan on PS3. These along with Samurai Warriors 3 Empires performed well,[...]"
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Not to mention the game, for the most part, runs on re-used assets. Had to have been pretty profitable for TK, and I can't imagine them being displeased with it.
 
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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Oddduck said:
Losing Metro Last Light isn't a big deal.

I'm sure a lot of new third party games will be revealed at E3 so losing one game won't even matter.
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I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
 
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Oddduck

Member
Aostia said:
I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
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When I heard there were no current plans for Resident Evil 6, Tomb Raider, or Project Ogre for Wii U, I realized Nintendo wasn't trying hard enough to get third parties on board. Especially hearing Suda 51 had no Wii U dev kits, when they were one of Nintendo's biggest supporters.

Thankfully they were able to get Assassins Creed 3. Although Ubisoft will port their games on any system so that isn't too unexpected.
 
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nckillthegrimace

Member
Aostia said:
I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
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I wouldn't panic yet.
 
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Instro

Member
Aostia said:
I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
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I dunno, its been said multiple times by various 3rd parties in interviews that they are under strict NDAs. Considering the amount of stuff that has been dug up through Linkedin profiles, its pretty clear that games are in development for the system.

Potentially not getting Metro is somewhat disappointing, but I doubt any real decision has been made. If the market looks good after the game has launched elsewhere, then maybe it will happen. The game was already certain to be a late port, it may not be worth the time/resources considering THQ already has other games on the way to the platform as well as an exclusive.
 
Zenaku

Zenaku

Member
wsippel said:
I love rumors. They're entertaining, even if they're fake. So I'm gonna post this. And this is fake in case it isn't immediately obvious:

angeblichee3dateni3k2a.png


It's nice to want things... :D
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Oh my, this is funny just for the fake games.

Golden Sun sequel, Mario Party 3D, Final Fantasy VII-2, Super Mario 3D Land 2, Zelda: Sword Dance of Light and Smash Bros. DsX for 3DS, with a revision "3DSu" and Pokemon Tree and Glass versions for 3DS, with Pikmin 3, NSMBWiiU, Diablo 3, Killer Freaks, Ninja Gaiden, Just Dance Wii U, Zelda: Majora's Mask, Smash Brothers UX, Resident Evil 6 and FFVersusXIII for Wii U.
 
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Van Owen

Banned
I'm not too worried about 3rd party support for the next couple years. Guys like Satterfield say the lineup is good.

It's after PS4 and Durango are in to their 2nd and 3rd years that it could be a problem.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Jesus people. One more week. One more week. Then we will see what is going on.
 
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