Radar Jammer. Not only you're nigh invisible, you fuck up the enemy radar.
One or the other should be enough.
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Halo 4 Multiplayer Media (Spartan Ops & War Games)
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Radar Jammer. Not only you're nigh invisible, you fuck up the enemy radar.
One or the other should be enough.
You're right, that is the point of a jetpack, but the functionality of a jetpack is not the issue here, it's its existence in Halo multiplayer to begin with. You're underestimating the importance of "the intended ways of navigation."
NullPointer
Member
Unless the jetpack is included in the "intended ways of navigation". They've already talked about designing maps to work with everybody sprinting. Making the jetpack fit into the scheme of a map isn't an insurmountable task, although I can appreciate some of the difficulty.
Jack Scofield
Member
Bungie absolutely caught lightning in a bottle with Halo 1. It was a perfect, yet 100% accidental concoction that got mostly everything right. But almost everything that people love about that game was a mistake that Bungie never intended to happen. Bungie accidentally created a great game without meaning to or understanding how.
Halo 2 was incredibly influential on the console online experience, for sure, but was such a shoddy, unrefined mess in every other aspect. To make matters worse, the ONE thing that excited people about Halo 2 (E3 stage demo) was a total lie. Halo 3 and Reach basically coasted on the goodwill Bungie unfairly accrued from Halo 1 and 2, but luckily it seems most people have caught on to this by now.
Thankfully, 343 seems to have breathed fresh life into the franchise. Apart from some stupid decisions (jetpack), they seem to understand how to properly design a game. Franchise is in better hands now, undoubtedly.
Zeouterlimits
Member
These people chose to go work on Halo, you know that right?
NullPointer
Member
What does that even mean? Its not like Halo therefore its not like Halo?that post said:
Yeah, I have a hard time believing it to be honest. Actually yeah, I don't believe it. Need to see more for the reality to sink in.
All I ever did in Reach was play score attack, wishing I could get new campaign variants on it. Spartan Ops is almost exactly what I wanted. Continuous new combat scenarios.
The only thing I don't like so far is the narrow FoV, but I digress.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Except that from a gameplay standpoint, HALO 3 was the best the series has ever been.
Regarding camo - I never saw it fucking up the radar as being an advantage. I always saw it as letting the enemy know there is somebody using camo around. I always saw the radar jamming effect as a hindrance as opposed to a positive.
WickedLaharl
Member
Everything I've seen from H4 has looked great so far.
Your confusion confuses me. Did you play a lot of the multiplayer in the first two Halo games?
I ran around without caring about the camo... the enemy knows someone is around but they don't know where i'm approaching. That's a big advantage right there.
Without the RJ component, a camo guys still needs to move with care, possibly crouch-move to sneak around without being visible on the radar.
I investigate red dots on my radar, any good player does, or at very least tells his team mates something is close by.
Zeouterlimits
Member
It's a post-Reach negative reaction. Ignore the E3 hype goggles, but Reach wet the bed, so people are wailing their clubs.
NullPointer
Member
Not too much no. Its just that the post you referred me to didn't clear the matter up.
I understand that if you don't design your maps to include armor ability usage you're doing it wrong.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Yep. And if you already know whereabouts they are, once they turn on camo you can still track their movement on the radar, despite the RJ causing a bunch of other dots to pop up. It can take somebody using camo a good while to cross a room while crouch-walking. They don't get very far before it runs out.
I still would've liked to have seen a return of deployed equipment. Bubble shield and grav lifts and stuff were great for changing up firefights into something more interesting.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, i know one can track the true dot... but how many people can do that while having to worry about other things? Very few in my experience.
It is better used while the opponent is doing something else for this reason.
Also, me and the majority (probably) of players keep only half an eye on the radar, not actively staring at it, most of the time.
Yet another reason for camo hate, again related on the RJ, is that it is the only AA that directly affects an enemy. The Armor Lock can EMP their shields... but it isn't the main function. The camo has two main functions.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
So we would be fine with camo so long as it ditched the radar jamming function? I would be down for that. I don't like the RJ function not because of what it does to the enemy, but what it does to me (and my team - I hate that it jams your own teams radar).
Silly.Mikey
Banned
God, again with the camo....
Vire
Member
This is why I generally stay out of the Halo threads and just enjoy the games. *Sigh
Well, if the RJ is removed, then people bitch about at-will invisibility...
Personally i'd be fine with RJ-less camo, indeed i'd actually prefer it.
Also, the RJ does not jam your own team. Does it? It shouldn't. Damn, i can't actually remember, almost everyone uses Sprint or AL when i play.
EDIT yeah, RJ jamming friendlies is a bug, usually triggered from bad network conditions from what i remember.
StriKeVillain
Banned
The multiplayer reminds me of... Halo 2.
Which is a good thing, for me. My favorite multiplayer experience (next to TF2). Let's hope the maps are decent.
Which is a good thing, for me. My favorite multiplayer experience (next to TF2). Let's hope the maps are decent.
Reminds you of Halo 2 EVEN with all the armor abilities, ability to choose starting weapons, and sprint?
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
My thoughts so far:
Pros:
+ dat graphics
+ Sprint being permanent (After much arguing with the old, grizzled Halo player in me, I concede that it does speed up the game, and is not a bad change.)
+ No bloom (Worst addition in Halo history.)
+ No armor lock
Cons:
- Jetpack still a thing
- Wallhax and riot shield (Seriously?)
- Instant respawn (Does anyone have a good argument for this? Is three seconds really too long to wait? Instant respawn + jetpacks = never stay alive after killing someone.)
- Spartan funbux to buy weapons (I have no words for this.)
- Packages and upgrades (See above. Stop trying to be cod, please.)
- Drop in, drop out multiplayer (I'm not sure how many people actually like showing up halfway through a game, versus the amount of rage induced by one-sided games taking forever, because the other team keeps being slowly replaced.)
Misc:
* Ordinance drops (Originally raged by this, but it's too early to tell. Will wait on more info.)
* 10 points per kill, distraction medal, etc. (Why...?)
At this rate, Halo 4 might be the first Halo I buy for the *gulp* campaign, if I buy it at all. I might be a little behind on the info, so if anything is wrong, please correct me! God, I'd hope some of those cons get changed.
Pros:
+ dat graphics
+ Sprint being permanent (After much arguing with the old, grizzled Halo player in me, I concede that it does speed up the game, and is not a bad change.)
+ No bloom (Worst addition in Halo history.)
+ No armor lock
Cons:
- Jetpack still a thing
- Wallhax and riot shield (Seriously?)
- Instant respawn (Does anyone have a good argument for this? Is three seconds really too long to wait? Instant respawn + jetpacks = never stay alive after killing someone.)
- Spartan funbux to buy weapons (I have no words for this.)
- Packages and upgrades (See above. Stop trying to be cod, please.)
- Drop in, drop out multiplayer (I'm not sure how many people actually like showing up halfway through a game, versus the amount of rage induced by one-sided games taking forever, because the other team keeps being slowly replaced.)
Misc:
* Ordinance drops (Originally raged by this, but it's too early to tell. Will wait on more info.)
* 10 points per kill, distraction medal, etc. (Why...?)
At this rate, Halo 4 might be the first Halo I buy for the *gulp* campaign, if I buy it at all. I might be a little behind on the info, so if anything is wrong, please correct me! God, I'd hope some of those cons get changed.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
It's the sound effects I tells ya.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
you forgot no dual wielding.
Frankie confirmed months back that instant re-spawns were only for Deathmatch.
I decided to edit one of the screens and change the coloring and texture detail a bit
ORIGINAL
MY EDIT
Definetly prefer the original, though your edit does look a bit more like "classic" Halo.
â Narayan
Member
OH MY GOD!
ALL HANDS ON DICK.
This looks SO GOOD.
ALL HANDS ON DICK.
This looks SO GOOD.
343i version / Bungie version, lol.
mr stroke
Member
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Are these shots real, or bullshots?
These images look too clean to come from 360 hardware. Everything looks perfect with tons of AA/AF.
Either bullshots or 343 are graphics gods?
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
Ok, thanks! Still isn't a great idea, for the other reason I mentioned, though.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I decided to edit one of the screens and change the coloring and texture detail a bit
ORIGINAL
MY EDIT
haha that is pretty awesome. I prefer the original, but I definitely wouldn't mind if they added color filter options like Gears or Far Cry did.
The game is native 720p with FXAA. The IQ is way above average for a console title.
The press screenshots are 1440p with FXAA.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
I still can't get over how phenomenal this game looks, even in MP.
I don't play nearly as much MP as I used to, so I'm expecting this will be my last competitive online game on the 360. I just hope it plays half as good as it looks.
I don't play nearly as much MP as I used to, so I'm expecting this will be my last competitive online game on the 360. I just hope it plays half as good as it looks.
Jetpack will be fine and dandy so long as it doesn't appear on every single map a la Reach. It was a great mechanic on large maps with a lot of verticality, long sightlines, and alternate player pathways (Spire, Paradiso, etc), not so great on the smaller maps. This all or nothing attitude definitely puzzles at times.
Oh, and I can't be the only one a little bit mournful about the death of the Needle Rifle, can I? Who'd want a Carbine over that beautiful little blowdart gun :[
Oh, and I can't be the only one a little bit mournful about the death of the Needle Rifle, can I? Who'd want a Carbine over that beautiful little blowdart gun :[
Oh gosh.
And the game itself is 720p with FXAA.
The Halo 3 Beta Carbine was glorious. I shed a tear when I played the final game and realized it was a shell of its former self. It was like Michael Jordan on the Wizards.
Those videos and screens in the OP have me hyped. I was worried before E3, but now I believe. Great showing from 343.
Yes!! That H3 beta carbine was fantastic.
Yes!! That H3 beta carbine was fantastic.
