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[leroidys]

Obviously they will screen the comments BEFORE they get to the worker. Swear words, obvious spoilers, crude drawings, etc. can be dealt with with an algorithm, then the rest would be passed off to the worker.

It does seem inefficient, but it is the most feasible way I can think of doing it. They are a software company, but they're not microsoft or apple. It would take some insane filter to deal with every single kind of improper submission.

 

[Boss Man]

Finally, an answer to this. I was wondering how they were going to keep Miiverse clean. Now will Nintendo's HR department also correct people's atrocious spelling and grammar? I don't want to see my glorious World-style map in NSMBU polluted by cognitively challenged kids vomiting nonsense. Capitalize those proper names, kids! Punctuation marks inside quotes ("unless inside parentheses, like so")! C'mon Nintendo, make it work!

I hate this "rule". Any time a quote ends a sentence there's not much you can do to keep it from looking silly.

Also, ( . )( . ) Nintendo.

 

[Infinite]

I'm applying for the job, they must pay good money to get people to do that kinda shit.

 

[Amir0x]

Should employ some people, so I'm ok with it.

we can also employ people by setting up a task force to make sure all games have at least three mini-games/party games in every release. Doesn't mean we should or that it's a good thing!

Any time a quote ends a sentence there's not much you can do to keep it from looking silly.

What? A quote is supposed to contain the entirety of someone's thought/speech/etc, including expression. If it doesn't close the period inside the quote, then it makes no sense.

 

[rpmurphy]

Nintendo has a family-friendly image. All it needs is one dick image to get out there for 10 minutes for it to go up to news media.

Pornographic content is not even by far the worst kinds of content that appears on online social networks. Racism, sexism, other kinds of bigotry and hate speech, etc. These are far more damaging to the quality and enjoyability of a social service than childish comments. This is probably quite a draconian system of content moderation, but then again, draconian policies is a complaint that people say about GAF as well.

 

[MrCunningham]

I Feel sorry for the employees who have to wade through it all....

Nintendo better have some good mental health coverage plans for their employees.

 

[Dambrosi]

This measure is only for the public messages on the initial WiiU/Miiverse boot-up screen, so it would be OK with me, but it won't happen anyway. Way too inefficient and potentially expensive. The shareholders would go spare at the sheer cost of it.

Besides, it's painfully obvious from these comments that Iwata does not get how 4chan or 2ch work. They will find a way.

 

[Marvie_3]

As long as it's the public only stuff, I couldn't care less.

 

[TheCongressman1]

I love how many people think this is somehow a bad thing. No one really understands what they are doing, do they?

They are only moderating the Miiverse posts. Not your personal messages.

 

[snesfreak]

It seems to just be for the Miiverse messages, so I don't know what the big deal is.
Draw all the dicks you want, just send em to your friends and not everyone else.

 

[Amir0x]

Alright guys start getting your code language ready

Alright, instead of the word "sex", we'll use "pie." And instead of the word "penis", we'll use "balloon boy." And instead of "FUCK YOU", we can say "Fudge is a very fine desert, sir."

Then people can just translate and know what is really being said. Let's harmonize guys

 

[RurouniZel]

Big Brother is watching, yo.

It's amazing how little trust Nintendo has in consumers.

One trip to Xbox Live, and frankly they have every reason not to trust online gamers.

 

[qq more]

Alright guys start getting your code language ready

Alright, instead of the word "sex", we'll use "pie." And instead of the word "penis", we'll use "balloon boy." And instead of "FUCK YOU", we can say "Fudge is a very fine desert, sir."

Then people can just translate and know what is really being said. Let's harmonize guys

Well yeah?! Fudge is a very fine desert, sir!!!!

Spoiler

Am I doing it right

 

[Louis Cyphre]

It seems to just be for the Miiverse messages, so I don't know what the big deal is.
Draw all the dicks you want, just send em to your friends and not everyone else.

Agreed, problem is some people get a kick out of getting reactions well beyond just their friends.

Big Brother is watching, yo.

It's amazing how little trust Nintendo has in consumers.

Look around, do you blame them? Xbox Live is a user-fee based system and even there it's host to a wide array of moronic attitudes and hateful conduct. Again, this will probably have no impact on private messages. Just reading through this thread you can tell people still think its their right to do anything they want as long as they bought the product. Sorry but if that attitude crosses over to the open arena you bet Nintendo is going to want to block it.

 

[Glass Joe]

But the video had the nerd message on the board and get a response RIGHT AWAY from nerd #2 and also creepy grandpa. False advertising! Is nerd supposed to live in despair for a half hour?

Also, totally unnecessary. Just put a strict word filter and let the communities flag for anything inappropriate (clever slang cusses, spoilers). Otherwise mods couldn't keep up. Penalize repeat offenders etc.

But hey, drawings taking 30 mins to approve makes sense though and that's fine. Maybe that's what they meant.

 

[Amir0x]

One trip to Xbox Live, and frankly they have every reason not to trust online gamers.

Look around, do you blame them? Xbox Live is a user-fee based system and even there it's host to a wide array of moronic attitudes and hateful conduct.

"I don't like what people say, so let's censor them!"

Whereas I certainly think plenty of the XBL community is awful, it's not the principle I disagree with. I think even awful people should be given the room to speak their mind as they wish. I just ignore the awful people, with my sheer force of will.

Censorship is for losers.

Well yeah?! Fudge is a very fine desert, sir!!!!

Spoiler

Am I doing it right

Pfft, all I can say is you can go right over there and tickle the balloon boy with an attitude like that!

 

[KillGore]

Nintendo being Nintendo. When I went to put my username (KillGore) on the 3DS I got a message saying Nintendo could take measures against me and take down my name, wut? still did it.

Just have posts be friend-only. It's the obvious way around this. Stop trying to brute force everything, Nintendo.

This seems like a nice solution, let us filter these posts as "friends", "worldwide", etc

 

[radioheadrule83]

I see we're back to assuming this means filtration of game message boards and IMs instead of just the homescreen and ingame feeds. I'm going to bump this when it turns out you were all freaking out over nothing.

 

[RurouniZel]

"I don't like what people say, so let's censor them!"

Whereas I certainly think plenty of the XBL community is awful, it's not the principle I disagree with. I think even awful people should be given the room to speak their mind as they wish. I just ignore the awful people, with my sheer force of will.

Censorship is for losers.

See though, I don't really see this as censorship. I see it in the same way that hate speech is considered a crime in many places. Nintendo's just trying to keep their system family friendly so that 8 year olds playing Mario aren't assaulted with little pop-up messages saying "I'm gonna rape your ass and teabag your corpse, faggot!" (obviously an exaggeration... at least I hope this is) from appearing on the screen and traumatizing the little guy/girl or making them feel threatened simply by having the system online. Making the Wii U offline only is NOT something Nintendo or 3rd parties want.

Everyone keeps shouting "Just set up filters!" but there's so many different ways around that they're all virtually useless. A monitoring system is far more effective in my opinion.

 

[Of All Trades]

I love how many people think this is somehow a bad thing. No one really understands what they are doing, do they?

They are only moderating the Miiverse posts. Not your personal messages.

Which significantly limits what usefulness the Miiverse could have had. I don't know how anyone could read that Iwata quote and not think "why bother with this".

 

[Jive Turkey]

Alright guys start getting your code language ready

Alright, instead of the word "sex", we'll use "pie." And instead of the word "penis", we'll use "balloon boy." And instead of "FUCK YOU", we can say "Fudge is a very fine desert, sir."

Then people can just translate and know what is really being said. Let's harmonize guys

Your mother is a classy lady!

 

[TheCongressman1]

Everyone keeps shouting "Just set up filters!" but there's so many different ways around that they're all virtually useless. A monitoring system is far more effective in my opinion.

Yeah. Although, they could still use filters to get the obvious stuff, and moderate the rest. I have a feeling that will be the case. Just seems more efficient for them.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

"I don't like what people say, so let's censor them!"

Whereas I certainly think plenty of the XBL community is awful, it's not the principle I disagree with. I think even awful people should be given the room to speak their mind as they wish. I just ignore the awful people, with my sheer force of will.

Censorship is for losers.



Pfft, all I can say is you can go right over there and tickle the balloon boy with an attitude like that!

I disagree to an extent, those who feel the need to spoil games by posting them for all to see are losers. Same with those who feel the need to say racial slurs, profanity, and all that other stuff in something like the Miiverse for all to see. Again I'm not saying we need to be censored all the time but for something like Miiverse it should be.

See though, I don't really see this as censorship. I see it in the same way that hate speech is considered a crime in many places. Nintendo's just trying to keep their system family friendly so that 8 year olds playing Mario aren't assaulted with little pop-up messages saying "I'm gonna rape your ass and teabag your corpse, faggot!" (obviously an exaggeration... at least I hope this is) from appearing on the screen and traumatizing the little guy/girl or making them feel threatened simply by having the system online. Making the Wii U offline only is NOT something Nintendo or 3rd parties want.

Everyone keeps shouting "Just set up filters!" but there's so many different ways around that they're all virtually useless. A monitoring system is far more effective in my opinion.

This person gets it.

 

[brochiller]

It seems to just be for the Miiverse messages, so I don't know what the big deal is.
Draw all the dicks you want, just send em to your friends and not everyone else.

Yeah. Nice threat title if you're trying to sensationalize the whole thing though

 

[Officerrob]

I love how many people think this is somehow a bad thing. No one really understands what they are doing, do they?

They are only moderating the Miiverse posts. Not your personal messages.

At that point you might as well get rid of Miiverse posts. You can't actually have any kind of realistic communication with a 30 minute delay, so Miiverse posts will be 100% bullshit instead of some people actually trying to use the feature for something useful

 

[radioheadrule83]

Which significantly limits what usefulness the Miiverse could have had. I don't know how anyone could read that Iwata quote and not think "why bother with this".

No it doesn't.

Comments on your homescreen and on Mario world maps and death screens were never going to be 'useful', they were only ever about giving a sense of community and trending conversation.. its still good because you're able to see which games are becoming popular, which your friends are playing and what Mario levels people suck at... But it was never intended as a message system, its "wara wara" - chit chatter. Noise. Showing what the network is into.

The machine has per game message boards and an IM inbox for more immediate messaging, and I'm betting 100% that neither of those are moderated in this way.

When they talk of moderating Miiverse they are talking about the Wii U desktop and in game stuff, not the actual messaging suite or message boards. For the third time - any of you sensationalist worry warts want to take a ban bet to the contrary?

 

[PKrockin]

This must be more about spoilers than anything. If it was just language and hate speech I can't imagine why it would take 30 minutes to get comments approved.

 

[brochiller]

At that point you might as well get rid of Miiverse posts. You can't actually have any kind of realistic communication with a 30 minute delay, so Miiverse posts will be 100% bullshit instead of some people actually trying to use the feature for something useful

The Miiverse posts are supposed to be peoples' general thoughts about whatever game they're playing. They're not going to be answering your questions about how to defeat a boss on the main Miiverse screen. I don't see how a 30 minute delay is a problem for this type of communication considering EVERYONE who has a Wii U could see this post. They don't want dicks on the Wii U homescreen and neither do I.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I'm applying for the job, they must pay good money to get people to do that kinda shit.

minimum wage is good money?

 

[RurouniZel]

This must be more about spoilers than anything. If it was just language and hate speech I can't imagine why it would take 30 minutes to get comments approved.

They're probably expecting a huge flood of messages and people can only go through them at a certain speed. It's like at my work how the expenses we process are guaranteed to be proceeded within 3 days, not instantaneously. We can only work so fast.

 

[Amir0x]

I disagree to an extent, those who feel the need to spoil games by posting them for all to see are losers. Same with those who feel the need to say racial slurs, profanity, and all that other stuff in something like the Miiverse for all to see. Again I'm not saying we need to be censored all the time but for something like Miiverse it should be.

See though, I don't really see this as censorship. I see it in the same way that hate speech is considered a crime in many places. Nintendo's just trying to keep their system family friendly so that 8 year olds playing Mario aren't assaulted with little pop-up messages saying "I'm gonna rape your ass and teabag your corpse, faggot!" (obviously an exaggeration... at least I hope this is) from appearing on the screen and traumatizing the little guy/girl or making them feel threatened simply by having the system online. Making the Wii U offline only is NOT something Nintendo or 3rd parties want.

Everyone keeps shouting "Just set up filters!" but there's so many different ways around that they're all virtually useless. A monitoring system is far more effective in my opinion.

Again, censorship is not the way. The way is just to have a parental guide system to block out people under a certain age from seeing messages posted by people other than friends.

Don't police your consumers. It's offensive.

Your mother is a classy lady!

heehee

 

[v1oz]

I love how many people think this is somehow a bad thing. No one really understands what they are doing, do they?

They are only moderating the Miiverse posts. Not your personal messages.

But why? There's no need for it.

 

[Harlock]

It´s all part of big Obama Job Program for America.

 

[Talwind]

Which significantly limits what usefulness the Miiverse could have had. I don't know how anyone could read that Iwata quote and not think "why bother with this".

Why does censoring out drawings of penises, racial slurs, and bigoted comments limit the usefulness of Miiverse?

Why is booting up my console and not being subjected to a giant dong in the middle of my screen limit the usefulness of Miiverse? I really dont get the problem.

 

[VanMardigan]

What? A quote is supposed to contain the entirety of someone's thought/speech/etc, including expression. If it doesn't close the period inside the quote, then it makes no sense.

Unless there's some context in this conversation that I didn't catch, this just isn't true.You can have quotes that don't end with a period.

 

[radioheadrule83]

But why? There's no need for it.

The random desktop stuff that everyone sees at startup needs to be moderated, otherwise you'd see tonnes of pointless messages, messages not intended for you and inappropriate messages. They're random, from Wii U users all over your country. It doesn't matter how they're chosen / approved, you don't know most of them anyway. Ditto for in game comments...

The game message boards (octoG and friends) and IM stuff is NOT going to have a 30 minute wait or this kind of moderation. I bet my account on it.

 

[RurouniZel]

Again, censorship is not the way. The way is just to have a parental guide system to block out people under a certain age from seeing messages posted by people other than friends.

Don't police your consumers. It's offensive.

Again, you see this as censorship, but I see it more like regulation. To me (not to turn this into PoliGAF but it's the only analogy I can think of that might make sense as far as conveying my argument), it's like the whole Free Market Will Fix Itself vs. Regulation Is Needed to Keep Market Stable argument. I'm personally on the Regulation side of the argument because from what I've seen the Free Market will just exploit for everything it's worth and will run rampant and cause general chaos unless someone is holding the reigns and keeping them from going crazy. I simply do not trust the people who run the Free Market to restrain themselves and act with the level-headed maturity needed to not ruin it for everyone.

My experience with Live and PSN has taught me that like the Free Market, Gamers cannot be trusted to not ruin it for everyone. Their Free Comments in this case need to be regulated to keep the system from turning into chaos and ruining it for everyone else. So no, I do not view this as censorship at all; it's regulation to keep it the system from collapsing.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

When the GM closes a door, the Troll opens a window.

 

[Christine]

I hate this "rule". Any time a quote ends a sentence there's not much you can do to keep it from looking silly.

Also, ( . )( . ) Nintendo.

It's not a rule, it's a style. If your style is mandated by a manual you follow the manual's instruction on this point. If not, either style is correct so long as it applied uniformly in any given text.

 

[Of All Trades]

No it doesn't.

Comments on your homescreen and on Mario world maps and death screens were never going to be 'useful', they were only ever about giving a sense of community and trending conversation.. its still good because you're able to see which games are becoming popular, which your friends are playing and what Mario levels people suck at... But it was never intended as a message system, its "wara wara" - chit chatter. Noise. Showing what the network is into.

If there's a filter for unmoderated-friends-only I can't see why anyone would ever care about the moderated public one. Again, why bother? If I want trending patterns or what not the LBP system of attaching preset words to things would be more meaningful, or a basic star rating system or word-rating akin to Yelp.

The machine has per game message boards and an IM inbox for more immediate messaging, and I'm betting 100% that neither of those are moderated in this way.

Why wouldn't they moderate public comments on the game message boards?

 

[Officerrob]

The Miiverse posts are supposed to be peoples' general thoughts about whatever game they're playing. They're not going to be answering your questions about how to defeat a boss on the main Miiverse screen. I don't see how a 30 minute delay is a problem for this type of communication considering EVERYONE who has a Wii U could see this post. They don't want dicks on the Wii U homescreen and neither do I.

Nintendo disagrees with you. Their own Miiverse E3 demo shows someone asking "How do I jump from this cliff to the next one"

 

[AGITΩ]

I can see certain messages being blocked due to Parental controls and some being more lax because of game ratings. I'd be mad if they censored comments for M Rated games. "Watch out, This Boss launches dicks at you! No lie!"

But since all comments are monitored, I'd probably send a lot of "Hey comment checker, hows it going? Don't Approve this message, I just wanna talk to you. Addmii ;D"

 

[radioheadrule83]

Why wouldn't they moderate public comments on the game message boards?

Because they are self moderating forums. Users can flag posts as spoilers and flag for review by Nintendo. If they are approving messages on the message boards one by one (they're not) then that functionality would be pointless. Think about the logistics of it as hundreds of games are released. They are NOT going to moderate the OctoG style boards.

This is purely about random message delivery that users do not control: ie. stuff that's thrown onto their screen on the desktop or in the middle of their games.

I stand by that assessment. Nintendo need to explain the difference or tell us a lot more.

 

[brochiller]

Nintendo disagrees with you. Their own Miiverse E3 demo shows someone asking "How do I jump from this cliff to the next one"

I'm talking about the screen they called "Wara Wara." Not the messages like you see in NSMBU.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Again, censorship is not the way. The way is just to have a parental guide system to block out people under a certain age from seeing messages posted by people other than friends.

Don't police your consumers. It's offensive.



heehee

Now if this isn't irony I don't know what is. So instead of it called Miiverse you want it to be called Isaywhateverthehelliwantandifyoudon'tlikeitleaveverse? I think the people who can't conduct themselves in public should just stay at home locked in their parents basement wondering why chicks don't come over.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Again, you see this as censorship, but I see it more like regulation. To me (not to turn this into PoliGAF but it's the only analogy I can think of that might make sense as far as conveying my argument), it's like the whole Free Market Will Fix Itself vs. Regulation Is Needed to Keep Market Stable argument. I'm personally on the Regulation side of the argument because from what I've seen the Free Market will just exploit for everything it's worth and will run rampant and cause general chaos unless someone is holding the reigns and keeping them from going crazy. I simply do not trust the people who run the Free Market to restrain themselves and act with the level-headed maturity needed to not ruin it for everyone.

My experience with Live and PSN has taught me that like the Free Market, Gamers cannot be trusted to not ruin it for everyone. Their Free Comments in this case need to be regulated to keep the system from turning into chaos and ruining it for everyone else. So no, I do not view this as censorship at all; it's regulation to keep it the system from collapsing.

As long as you have a good regulator. I think that's where some issue, who decides what is appropriate and what isn't? Regardless, I do agree with you. Things are getting out of hand and some people just don't see to care. I don't care what they do in their own private lives but why should I have to be subjected to some jack-ass who's bored and needs to draw penises all day long for everyone to see? Or someone who feels it's ok to tell everyone a spoiler in a game. The Miiverse should not be a place of hostility or a hang-out place to say whatever you like and if people don't like it too bad. Look at the learning curves in Playstation Home (this is for anyone who actually uses it). Without rules it does indeed become chaos all due to a few bad apples.

 

[RurouniZel]

As long as you have a good regulator. I think that's where some issue, who decides what is appropriate and what isn't? Regardless, I do agree with you. Things are getting out of hand and some people just don't see to care. I don't care what they do in their own private lives but why should I have to be subjected to some jack-ass who's bored and needs to draw penises all day long for everyone to see? Or someone who feels it's ok to tell everyone a spoiler in a game. The Miiverse should not be a place of hostility or a hang-out place to say whatever you like and if people don't like it too bad. Look at the learning curves in Playstation Home (this is for anyone who actually uses it). Without rules it does indeed become chaos all due to a few bad apples.

100% agreed.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Does Microsoft filter/censor inappropriate Kinect image uploads...?

 

[Vinci]

This seems like a nice solution, let us filter these posts as "friends", "worldwide", etc

Best part about it: Once it's in place, they never have to touch it again, regardless of the number of users the console has.

 

[sorijealut]

They will lose their minds from too many "My Body is Ready" posts to decline.