AgentChris
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Two generations from now... we could see some crazy partnerships. Like Sony and Microsoft. I think there was some sort of website domain registered by Microsoft.
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David Jaffe: "The next generation of hardware will be the last consoles."
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dream
Member
The landscape is totally different though. Music is being sold digitally now. Everyone is streaming movies. Apple is selling tens of millions of iPads. Unless you're an absolute die hard gamer, it makes more sense to buy something that gives you a pretty good gaming experience on top of a bunch of other fun stuff than it does to buy something that gives you the best possible gaming experience and nothing else. And I think Microsoft (and Nintendo, to a lesser extent) are recognizing that -- that's what Jaffe's point is.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
lol
I really doubt consoles will die, but they will change drastically no doubt. I see Nintendo surviving with some out-of-thepark quirky idea, while MS and Sony will fight for the media center of the living rooms. Not so sure if Apple will be dominant but they might take a good chunk of that pie.
Not going to happen.
An here is why, all these systems are still dependent on other systems, and the one that will stop this from happening is the infrastructure of most places around the world, its simply not good enough.
Believe it or not America has an extremely old infrastructure, the systems to stream these things to millions of people simply won't be around for a very long time, especially with the fact that the general economy is in this shitter and will still be slow for another 10 years.
An here is why, all these systems are still dependent on other systems, and the one that will stop this from happening is the infrastructure of most places around the world, its simply not good enough.
Believe it or not America has an extremely old infrastructure, the systems to stream these things to millions of people simply won't be around for a very long time, especially with the fact that the general economy is in this shitter and will still be slow for another 10 years.
oohhhh look at me, predictions
Syphon Filter
Member
until they get DD right, consoles are basically garbage right now.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
I hope it never comes that far. Will never support cloud gaming. Seriously, where is this going to? Will we even have to leave our houses in 10 years?
I miss the 90s. Fuck this.
I miss the 90s. Fuck this.
Really? I thought that was still a thing, damn. Haven't been in the SONY party for awhile now. still replace Bravia with whatever SONY television they are working with now.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Dedicated gaming consoles are already obsolete. They don't exist. Next generation is just going to move that needle further, and the generation after that? Yeah, gone. Done.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Silly.Mikey
Banned
TV`s might incorporate shit like that yes, but incorporate a gaming console? Only Sony would do something like that and even them would also sell the console separately. They would never make a playstation only available through a particular TV. TV`s aren't like consoles. The market is completely different. People don't upgrade their TVs like they do phones, portable devices or consoles. Phones, Laptops and console are small(ish) and easy to get rid of which is why more people are inclined to upgrade them regularly, a TV...not so much. And plus, if you think consoles are expensive now, add the price of a state of the art LED 3D TV to all that....no way in hell that's happening. They wanna reduce prices of consoles not add to it. And what, ill have to buy a new TV every time a new next gen console comes out? That will absolutely kill them and make me stop gaming altogether.
Next console/handheld for Nintendo will assuredly be a sleek and multipurpose Phone/controller device (capacitive touch) that also works in tandem with a relatively small console box containing an autostereoscopic screen (similar to a WiiU GamePad) that can also plug into your HD or 3D TV set or computer.
Backwards compatibility with WiiU AND 3DS will be easy with the added 3D console/screen box, but when using the single screen phone, the screen is divided into two halves.
It's called the Nintendo RingU
-- posted from E3, 2016
Backwards compatibility with WiiU AND 3DS will be easy with the added 3D console/screen box, but when using the single screen phone, the screen is divided into two halves.
It's called the Nintendo RingU
-- posted from E3, 2016
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I'm absolutely fine with this.
The Wii U is potentially the last console I buy. While everybody else seems to shit themselves that the system isn't powerful enough for whatever expectations they had for it, I'm entirely content just to see Nintendo games in HD. Even if the Wii U wasn't a single drop of juice more powerful than the PlayStation 3, I'm happy to pay my £200-£300 and sign up for the next 7 years worth of Nintendo first party games. As a system, it meets my expectations.
I've no interest in the PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720 because, well, PC. And I'm sure I'll adapt again like I've always adapted before be it Apple or streaming services such as OnLive which make the next move.
The Wii U is potentially the last console I buy. While everybody else seems to shit themselves that the system isn't powerful enough for whatever expectations they had for it, I'm entirely content just to see Nintendo games in HD. Even if the Wii U wasn't a single drop of juice more powerful than the PlayStation 3, I'm happy to pay my £200-£300 and sign up for the next 7 years worth of Nintendo first party games. As a system, it meets my expectations.
I've no interest in the PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720 because, well, PC. And I'm sure I'll adapt again like I've always adapted before be it Apple or streaming services such as OnLive which make the next move.
The next 7 or so years are going to be interesting. I'm not necessarily worried about the concept of consoles dying. I'm worried about the kind of games you play on a console dying, and that includes the visuals too. If that means everything moves to PC's then i'm fine with that. I'm skeptical that the market would be big enough for visual powerhouses, but lets say it is. I'm not looking forward at all to a future where most of the games you play are on a tablet or phone streaming to a TV monitor simply because the visuals and price will never be what I would like. Never mind if "hardcore" games will ever be made when you have to buy a separate controller. The future might be something else entirely as well. OnLive type services might get better (I'm incredibly skeptical of this EVER being good enough) which would negate the concept of ever needing crazy hardware.
To the hardcore/gaf/etc crowed sure...
To the common man, they are waiting for the next console. Or are happy with the current one.
Some people are just now discovering a DD life. And one of those D's is for downloads, in the future I think people would prefer streaming.
Which again puts us at the mercy of the provider.
Unless you can miraculously kill input lag, I don't think we're going to see streaming as it is now take off and displace everything else. There's always the possibilities consoles as we know them will die, but I imagine that'll more likely happen when we finally reach a point of diminishing returns where a cheap SoC performs so well that you'd need to spend A LOT more to get a notable boost, a boost most people wouldn't even notice. Likely at that point it'd also be cheap to put a large amount of flash memory in, and so we'd just run games on this hardware, whether it's retail copies or digital downloads.
Well, there's also handheld games. Despite how neglected that has been in the US it's undeniable portability's a big deal all over the world, whether it's the DS or the iPhone. And streaming games would MURDER wireless bandwidth so, yeah, no way is streaming taking off there without some amazing leaps forward, and even then I doubt you can fully get rid of dead zones.
Well, there's also handheld games. Despite how neglected that has been in the US it's undeniable portability's a big deal all over the world, whether it's the DS or the iPhone. And streaming games would MURDER wireless bandwidth so, yeah, no way is streaming taking off there without some amazing leaps forward, and even then I doubt you can fully get rid of dead zones.
dream
Member
But what if they integrate a thin client for something like OnLive for PC gaming? That could obviate the need for a branded console.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Rocking games at under 720p at a rock solid 25fps on a controller and awkwardly navigating the web with an iPad. But atleast you get trophies, right?
SEGA, foreshadowing the future yet again. Anyone remember back in the early to mid 90's when SEGA (or your cable company) leased a box that allowed you to basically play SEGA Genesis games through your cable connection?
The prediction is that eventually you will stream all your gaming data online.
The prediction is that eventually you will stream all your gaming data online.
and how bad will the bandwith caps be? these caps will not go away, they will become stricter (at least in the us). and will everyone have access to this crazy fast internet, or just the people that live in the big cities?
no chance.
Game2Death
Banned
Yes, which is why I updated my idea. ha. I mean the service would be available on your tv, phone, tablet if those still exist, and maybe a little streaming box. I mean really look at your Xbox dashboard when it's unplugged from the internet. Doesn't do a damn thing except launch games. SO many services now. I really do think that you won't have a Xbox console anymore, just an Xbox "service".
And the service will have everything and be able to stream from a cloud onto an device you own from the cloud.
I have already thought about what if the next Xbox have 4G or maybe 5G built in? And you went to a carrier and bought the console for $50 and had a contract. Online play anywhere, free of your internet.
BAM, eventually no physical data and eventually all stream-able. Then it slowly moves into other devices.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
That thin client will eventually need upgrading one way or another, then what? Buy a new TV? And this make sense to you guys? I see a big failure in their future if they do that.
Conciliator
Banned
I think he's on the right track, but yeah, might not be as soon as 10 years. Assuming we get to a point where hundreds of millions have internet that's fast enough and reliable enough to stream games consistently, I would even argue it's inevitable. Also I'm looking forward to it. Fuck buying multiple consoles.
TV's nowadays have Wifi and/or Lan ports, so downloading firmwares isn't hard to do. It only needs to stream stuff, so I don't think it needs any hardware upgrades.
Indeed. Technological advancement is nice and all. But everything becoming easier and effortless doesn't mean quality of life is improving. Buying that new Mario game in a dusty videogame store was something you and your friends had so much fun with. I remember literally counting down the days for Goldeneye on the N64 to come out. I had it preordered and the trip there and back home was just awesome. Clicking 'play' in an online shop won't result in any nice memories.
Oh well, no stopping it, sadly.
Conciliator
Banned
Why would it need upgrading? If it could give output and take input at 60 frames(so to speak) a second consistently, there would never be any reason to upgrade it. Maybe they'd add features that you 'had' to have, but if we're cloud streaming stuff it doesn't matter to your streaming client how much horsepower is needed to run the games.
Game2Death
Banned
No..the hardware shouldn't need upgrading. I mean if done correctly then all games would be handled at Sony's end or whatever and all that thing has to do is take the data and throw it on the tv. That's how onlive can increase their visuals as long as internet gets better.
Which goes back to my contract idea.
Syphon Filter
Member
Nah physical is crap,if you want to collect then it piles up taking up real estate in your house.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Yeah, but:
a- I have not been forced to switch to mobile gaming (Jon was not either fwiw) and I still said it. Nor have I been forced to switch to PC/MAC gaming (which is actually what we're doing next).
b- Funny how some folks seem unable to read things and then comprehend them mere moments after they've read them. Sad state of affairs when people took what I said as me saying 'big budget mega games like CALL OF DUTY, GOD OF WAR, UNCHARTED, GEARS OF WAR' are going away. What's actually fantastic about the streaming solution- once it is viable in enough parts of the world to make it profitable- is that you don't need to upgrade your hardware to get the best of breed visuals. How can folks who consider themselves core gamers not be going ape shit over that?!? How cool is it that you come home and play a new game and it looks better than any other game you've ever played because a) the team is fantastic so they made a great looking game and b) the team is building the game for a super ripped piece of hardware that only the streaming service has to own?!?
David
But since they're going away in any case, wouldn't it be preferable to go out with a bang rather than a whimper?
By the way, for all the "built into the TV" stuff: built in VCRs and DVDs never became the standard. At best we'll have a standardized mounting rack on the back, now that bulky CRTs are largely abandoned, but there's absolutely no way we'll see building that streaming into TV as the only option. More likely a lot of TVs do that... and provide something like a Roku box on the side for other TVs or in case it breaks/becomes outdated within your TV.
Latency, my good man, latency.
There are other concerns like modding support, ownership issues, conservation etc, but latency (and to a lesser extent image quality) is by far the worst.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
I can agree with a service, i just don't agree that it will be inside TVs only. I still think there will be a box you buy separately so like that, it'll work on all TVs and devices, not just the manufacturers who signed a deal with Sony and MS. You want to maximize sales and that means having it work with as much hardware as possible. Not just the hardware your launching the console with. If anything, the Xbox glass thing is more of a look into the future than incorporating consoles into a specific type of TV.
Well eventually you're going to reach a point where hardware has advanced enough that you can have indistinguishable from real life graphics at like 120fps or something. At that point you wont need new hardware. I'd guess 20-30 years.
Though at that point we might have completely immersible virtual reality too...
Though at that point we might have completely immersible virtual reality too...
Won't matter if we don't have the budget!
MightyHedgehog
Member
Wii U is next-gen?
Seriously, all of these consoles should evolve quite a bit over the generation, like X360 did in this one. That evolution will favor non-gaming applications more than anything dedicated gaming. That's simply because that's where the market is and the final platforms we see at the end of this decade will probably look a lot like pure set-top boxes for the 21st century. Considering the competition for time and entertainment from other platforms and looking at how expensive a hobby console gaming really is, I don't think there's going to be enough room, next-gen, and we'll be back to what is essentially a two-horse race on the dedicated gaming console side and maybe just one seriously dominant dedicated handheld platform. Even though it feels ubiquitous now, gaming is going to be coming out of every direction, at every possible entry point with the Smart TV push for more apps and services, like Samsung/LG and their push for streaming gaming via Gaikai's network and more and better stuff happening on more and better devices. This is going to push consoles to compete with them more directly, since it's all about keeping people inside of your ecosystem and out of others.
People are scared of change. If you got a Onlive-style service running with a sufficiently high bitrate on a sufficiently low-latency internet connection, I guarantee you not a single person in this thread could tell the difference to a game being rendered on their console.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Right but not everyone experiences lag in a way that breaks the experience. I've played David Perry's service on my aging iMac and it was buttery smooth. I do agree that there is a hurtle to be leapt over in parts of the country/world when it comes to lag, but when I look around at all of the companies and people in the biz who are leaps and bounds smarter than me who are creatively, technically, and financially dedicated to these services I'm inclined to believe it's an obstacle that can be leapt (i.e. they seem to think the lag issues can be dealt with...I mean, do you think they jumped into this without being aware that would be a problem they needed to solve?)
David
PC gaming has never been less hardcore or more easy. HDMI out, Video Card resolutions tailored specifically for your TV, Xbox Controller support, super easy installs with minimal to no tweaking in current OS's like Windows 7, great "video options" within game allowing you to easily match up your game to your current PC specs, Steam/GoG purchases allowing you to buy it cheaper and with never having to reach for a "disc" to insert, can play everything from the oldest DOS game to the latest "beyond PS3 quality" release without "switching consoles".
I personally play Diablo 3 on my couch in front of my 65" LED. (though I use USB extension cable to a trackball and wireless keyboard...works fantastically.) Diablo 3 is the first game I've really played since Skyrim which was the first game I really played since Rock Band 3 (which obviously still needs my console), so I wouldn't call myself "hardcore" of a gamer.
Consoles are definitely cheaper, but my laptop taking up little room while plugged into my TV allows me to pretty much do everything from my couch.
I've still never heard from people who think consoles will go away as to what will replace them. The bottom line is that you can't really stream games without having a dedicated piece of hardware, unless you want to go the PC route with 'minimum hardware requirements' on every set top box that is so user-unfriendly as to be a non-viable business model.
And I used to be afraid of phone games and facebook games but as time has passed I've realized companies can't make much money off of them, the games are shallow and that there will always be a place for premium content. This generation of consoles has sold remarkably well.
And I used to be afraid of phone games and facebook games but as time has passed I've realized companies can't make much money off of them, the games are shallow and that there will always be a place for premium content. This generation of consoles has sold remarkably well.