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[Thunder Monkey]

Would it have been better with more power available?

Yup.

Yes, but almost every game would have been "better". That didn't stop them from being great games even if in retrospect their underlying technology could be better now.

Hardware is one piece of the equation. Mass Effect would have been a great game on the Xbox. Just uglier. It's a great game now, and more powerful hardware will be launching this year and likely next.

Simple games like Angry Birds could be "better" with a huge budget and visual enhancements. Some games don't need more than they have to be stunners, fun, or industry standards.

 

[deviljho]

Would it have been better with more power available?

Yup.

Let's get the time machine and bring a PS4 back to 1998 to port Ocarina of Time on it.

This is such a dumb argument because you could say that Red Dead Redemption would be better on a future console. Okay... You win.

Nintendo is obviously dumb as rocks for not understanding your idea. You should run Nintendo. Make all the games 100x better with your strategy.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

So Ocarina would be worse if it was on Wii U? Is that what you're saying? Is the basis of it's quality ugly textures and low resolution? You couldn't improve the experience in any way with more powerful?

Do you even understand what you're arguing?

Ocarina is better on more powerful hardware (3DS). It would be even better on the PS3.

I can't believe people are arguing in favor of less power. It's sad that people have to resort to that to defend Nintendo.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

How many ps3/360 games has 5th Cell made?


I'm actually curious.

/lock thread

 

[deviljho]

So Ocarina would be worse if it was on Wii U? Is that what you're saying? Is the basis of it's quality ugly textures and low resolution? You couldn't improve the experience in any way with more powerful?

Do you even understand what you're arguing?

What I'm saying is that with future iterations of hardware, you claim that games would be 100x better.

But Twilight Princess or Skyward sword are not better than Ocarina. We are not talking about time travel here. It's not Ocarina then vs. Ocarina developed now.

 

[The Boat]

/lock thread

I yearn for the day Sony and MS release PS3 and 360 specs so we can tell how powerful they are.

 

[JordanLMiller]

You know what's really frustrating? These topics.

We have already discussed this like three thousand times.

 

[SmokyDave]

Yes, but almost every game would have been "better". That didn't stop them from being great games even if in retrospect their underlying technology could be better now.

Hardware is one piece of the equation. Mass Effect would have been a great game on the Xbox. Just uglier. It's a great game now, and more powerful hardware will be launching this year and likely next.

Simple games like Angry Birds could be "better" with a huge budget and visual enhancements. Some games don't need more than they have to be stunners, fun, or industry standards.

Exactly. So good games are good games but good games on better hardware are better.

Let's get the time machine and bring a PS4 back to 1998 to port Ocarina of Time on it.

But I already know it would be better, I played it again on 3DS.

 

[electroshockwave]

Randy Pitchford said Aliens: CM will look better, if you are willing to take his word.

And the Nintendo Land guy, Eguchi said that Nintendo Land will run in 1080p @ 60fps - not possible on PS360. All while rendering to the second screen.

Batman Arkham City looks better on Wii U.

Uhh.. yes it is.

 

[deviljho]

Ocarina is better on more powerful hardware (3DS). It would be even better on the PS3.

I can't believe people are arguing in favor of less power. It's sad that people have to resort to that to defend Nintendo.

So why don't we all build computers that display 4k resolution and play all our games on that? Why even fuck around with consoles?

I mean if processing power and graphics are so important, and you all claim they make games 100x better, then throw your consoles in the river and buy a 3,000 computer.

 

[tkscz]

Would it have been better with more power available?

Yup.

And yet what is believed to be the best Zelda title, is on a 16-bit system in 2-D.

 

[Thrakier]

Yes, but almost every game would have been "better". That didn't stop them from being great games even if in retrospect their underlying technology could be better now.

Hardware is one piece of the equation. Mass Effect would have been a great game on the Xbox. Just uglier. It's a great game now, and more powerful hardware will be launching this year and likely next.

Simple games like Angry Birds could be "better" with a huge budget and visual enhancements. Some games don't need more than they have to be stunners, fun, or industry standards.

You don't see the very deciding point in this case. For optimised immersion, the game needs to be on par with what we expect to percept. If it's underwhelming, it takes us out of the experience. This is the reason why Retro games, while still good games, wouldn't be seen the same when they released today. Yes, they would be worse, because our perception of them would be worse. Nintendo is lacking behind roughly a generation for years now. Their stuff is retro by default, at least regarding the technical aspects. And it's retro in a bad way because 3D tech somehow doesn't age very well.

 

[GamerVoice]

What I'm saying is that with future iterations of hardware, you claim that games would be 100x better.

But Twilight Princess or Skyward sword are not better than Ocarina. We are not talking about time travel here. It's not Ocarina then vs. Ocarina developed now.

The point is, you, as a consumer, should want the system to be powerful, because a more powerful system can not possibly offer an inferior experience to a less powerful system.

 

[DjRoomba]

Ocarina is better on more powerful hardware (3DS). It would be even better on the PS3.

I can't believe people are arguing in favor of less power. It's sad that people have to resort to that to defend Nintendo.

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

 

[deviljho]

Uhh.. yes it is.

No, the PS3 isn't powerful enough to do 1080p 60fps and also render another 480p image.

 

[Oppo]

I'll quite happily acknowledge that the Wii U is more powerful (and I think it must be, but perhaps only marginally) than the current HD twins, as soon as I see something - a game - that actually proves that point.

No, the PS3 isn't powerful enough to do 1080p 60fps and also render another 480p image.

Have we even seen the Wii U do that? 1080p/60 on main screen, 480p on the other?

edit - heheh title change, nice

 

[Hoo-doo]

I'm enjoying this title change.

 

[deviljho]

The point is, you, as a consumer, should want the system to be powerful, because a more powerful system can not possibly offer an inferior experience to a less powerful system.

right. throw your consoles away and buy a super expensive computer. then start posting about how all console makers should increase specs to match PCs

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

You know what's really frustrating? These topics.

We have already discussed this like three thousand times.

You just don't click on them, it really isn't that hard.

 

[daebo]

I'm enjoying this title change.

Me too. Too funny.

 

[Thrakier]

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

Well, superior Skyward Sword on PS3 incoming???

 

[Hoo-doo]

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

Right, games like Skyrim, GTAIV, Fallout 3, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and the other 1000 games i'm forgetting don't actually exist.

 

[GamerVoice]

right. throw your consoles away and buy a super expensive computer. then start posting about how all console makers should increase specs to match PCs

PCs cost more than consoles.

How much more does a Wii U cost than a PS3?

 

[deviljho]

PCs cost more than consoles.

How much more does a Wii U cost than a PS3?

no, no. you said that the hardware can create a "superior game," like maybe 100x better.

don't talk about money now.

 

[onQ123]

I thought everyone knew this? it's just the CPU that's weaker.

 

[Stealth20k]

Ocarina is better on more powerful hardware (3DS). It would be even better on the PS3.

I can't believe people are arguing in favor of less power. It's sad that people have to resort to that to defend Nintendo.

There is more to making a game "better" than graphics.........

Wild arms alter code F has better graphics than the psx game, but there is no doubt the original is the better game

I thought everyone knew this? it's just the CPU that's weaker.

Just the clock speed according to 1 dev whose comments may or may not be mistranslated. He said he hadnt handled the new architectural aspects yet

 

[SmokyDave]

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

Is Skyward Sword significantly 'larger' than Skyrim?

I'm having difficulty believing that.

 

[flyinpiranha]

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

Because Skyrim was "8 hours long"
Because Lost Odyssey was "8 hours long"
Because Darksiders was "8 hours long"
Because Red Dead Redemption was "8 hours long"
Because Demon's Souls was "8 hours long"
Because GTA was "8 hours long"
Because Witcher 2 was "8 hours long"
Because Fallout 3 was "8 hours long"
Because New Vegaas was "8 hours long"
Because FFXIII was "8 hours long"
Because Star Ocean was "8 hours long"
Because Mass Effect was "8 hours long"
Because Dragon Age was "8 hours long"
Because Deus Ex was "8 hours long"

Seriously? That is your argument? "As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long"

I understand if you don't think Nintendo could handle an HD game, but to say that those games do not exist is just wearing horse blinders.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

So why don't we all build computers that display 4k resolution and play all our games on that? Why even fuck around with consoles?

I mean if processing power and graphics are so important, and you all claim they make games 100x better, then throw your consoles in the river and buy a 3,000 computer.

Ignoring the first paragraph because it's dumb, let's look at the second.

Are you saying that the 3DS version of OoT is not superior to the N64 version?

If you aren't saying that, then what makes the 3DS version superior? Isn't it really just graphics? It's the same game otherwise.

 

[tkscz]

The point is, you, as a consumer, should want the system to be powerful, because a more powerful system can not possibly offer an inferior experience to a less powerful system.

If this is serious (which I'm hoping it isn't) that has to be the dumbest statement I've ever heard.

 

[BlackJace]

The point is, you, as a consumer, should want the system to be powerful, because a more powerful system can not possibly offer an inferior experience to a less powerful system.

What the fuck does this mean, yo?

 

[GlamFM]

I think it really doesn´t matter at all if the Wii U ist just as or more powerful then the 360/PS3.

But it will be less powerful than the 720 or the PS4 - that´s what matters and that will imo be a huge problem for Nintendo in the years to come.

 

[Stealth20k]

Ignoring the first paragraph because it's dumb, let's look at the second.

Are you saying that the 3DS version of OoT is not superior to the N64 version?

If you aren't saying that, then what makes the 3DS version superior? Isn't it really just graphics? It's the same game otherwise.

Actually it has more content, some gameplay tweaks as well.

Thats what makes it the best version.

I think it really doesn´t matter at all if the Wii U ist just as or more powerful then the 360/PS3.

But it will be less powerful than the 720 or the PS4 - that´s what matters and that will imo be a huge problem for Nintendo in the years to come.

Was it a big problem for the ps2 the xbox and gamecube were more powerful?

And how do we know when we havent seen? Will the ps4 and 360 have the exact same power? we dont know.

Alot of assumptions

 

[JDSN]

Obviously their opinion is moot because they havent made a 360 game, which means that no one in their team has even worked on it before, which means fuck Wiiu.

 

[deviljho]

If you aren't saying that, then what makes the 3DS version superior? Isn't it really just graphics? It's the same game otherwise.

I'm saying that improving graphically quality yields diminishing returns. You may not be satisfied with the difference in quality between the Wii U and Xbox8/PS4 (which we haven't seen yet), but lots of people won't know or care.

Just like lots of people don't care if they play Bioshock on Xbox 360 or a PC. Xbox 360 games have varying resolutions, but many people don't "complain" about that. Shit, lots of people don't hook their Xbox up properly to their TV or use the best TV settings. They don't give a shit, they still happily play Halo and CoD with their friends online.

 

[DjRoomba]

Right, games like Skyrim, GTAIV, Fallout 3, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and the other 1000 games i'm forgetting don't actually exist.

Ehh I dunno, something like Zelda is different to something like Skyrim where the 'reality' of the world/what you can do in the world is clearly more important than the design of puzzles or levels. You know, the game part. Personally, I think thats worse than the game being only 8 hours long, but Im sure alot of people here are into Skyrim. There probably are exceptions to the rule, my point was just its not a given that More "power" equals better game. That was clearly a ridiculous claim

 

[SmokyDave]

Actually it has more content, some gameplay tweaks as well.

Thats what makes it the best version.

Mario Galaxy on Wii vs. Mario Galaxy on Dolphin.

Let me hear your tortured justifications...

 

[aniki]

But it will be less powerful than the 720 or the PS4 - that´s what matters and that will imo be a huge problem for Nintendo in the years to come.

Yeah, its graphical weaknesses next to the 360 and PS3 really hurt sales of the Wii.

 

[electroshockwave]

No, the PS3 isn't powerful enough to do 1080p 60fps and also render another 480p image.

Your statement was that Nintendo Land, a graphically unimpressive game, running at 1080p 60fps was not possible on PS3. The controller screen was not part of that sentence. And if that's where the extra power the Wii U has over PS360 is going then what difference does it make?

 

[XenodudeX]

I thought everyone knew this? it's just the CPU that's weaker.

Wasn't that quote taken out of context?

 

[SniperHunter]

Yeah, its graphical weaknesses next to the 360 and PS3 really hurt sales of the Wii.

He is not talking about sales...he is talking about third party support and games. Who cares about sales unless you are a Nintendo shareholder?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Yeah, its graphical weaknesses next to the 360 and PS3 really hurt sales of the Wii.

I'm a huge Nintendo fan but you can't deny that in the long run it hurts sales of the Wii.

They've said it themselves.

 

[sorijealut]

I don't get the title change. Someone play his role in here?

 

[Stealth20k]

Mario Galaxy on Wii vs. Mario Galaxy on Dolphin.

Let me hear your tortured justifications...

First of all thats an emulator, second of all the base gameplay is exactly the same.

Its a different situation than the 3ds vs n64 version of OOT where, the 3ds version had better content

 

[iamshadowlark]

No, the PS3 isn't powerful enough to do 1080p 60fps and also render another 480p image.

Im pretty sure it could.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

Its sad that you think thats true. More "power" as you call it, equals more resources/time etc, which means these games end generally end up being linear, shorter and more cinematic experiences. As I mentioned before, you dont ever see a game on the scale, length and size of Skyward Sword with "ps3 graphics". It would be 8 hours long.

You're wrong, Skyward Sword looked like shit compared to longer games on the PS360. Skyrim is one example but really any game on the PS360 that is longer than 8 hours proves you wrong.

I'll bet FF13 was longer than Skyward Sword, are we going to pretend that SS had superior graphics?

 

[deviljho]

And if that's where the extra power the Wii U has over PS360 is going then what difference does it make?

Someone asked for examples to a question. I'm not interested in analyzing why he wanted to know.

Only you will know the different when you see all the software offerings from Nintendo, MS and Sony. Not by reading a spec sheet.

 

[SmokyDave]

First of all thats an emulator, second of all the base gameplay is exactly the same.

Its a different situation than the 3ds vs n64 version of OOT where, the 3ds version had better content

Do you perceive one of those versions of Galaxy as 'better' or are they totally identical in your eyes?

 

[ghst]

i feel like kickstarting a fund to provide a gtx680 along with a guru3d account to every errant nintendothing.

it's like that kid at school who drew lego pirates and knights all day in their scrap book, but the only set their stingy asshole dad ever forked out for was this guy:

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Can't let the competition in on these things, especially price.

I agree, but doesn't it release soon?