I'm not sure why Bane/Talia want to take out Gotham. Revenge? Ra's thought it was beyond saving, but Batman proves him wrong ("this is peace time," etc.)... So the motivation for destroying the city really isn't there. They turn it into a moral issue by saying it is a peace based on lies, but that's really weak. Then there is a tenuous 99% vs 1% thing that is dropped about halfway, and doesn't make a very coherent argument for which side is at fault (leans more toward the rich white people being true capable leaders!).
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
REMEMBER the dArk knight rises UnmaRked spOileR threAd | You only legend once
- Thread starter shira
- Start date
- Status
SuperAndroid17
Member
Did people not like the first fight between bats and bane?
I fucking love it
"Ah yes... darkness. Useful tool for deception"
"THE SHADOWS BETRAY YOU"
picks batman up and breaks his back. God damn
Then he proceeds to punch his face....so good.
I fucking love it
"Ah yes... darkness. Useful tool for deception"
"THE SHADOWS BETRAY YOU"
picks batman up and breaks his back. God damn
Then he proceeds to punch his face....so good.
Yeah, when Bane started going psycho in the second fight it was beyond intense.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Also, can someone explain to me what was up with the opening scene? It was jaw-droppingly awesome to me, but Bane's voice sounded... wrong. Like, he already has a strange voice, but strange and terrifying - but that opening plane scene sounds so ADR'd I was really taken aback. He sounded like Deckard Cain.
neoism
Member
meh I read something like this before going in, so I just really paid attention when he spoke and had no trouble.
Probably not. Would just rather discuss any (and likely every, lols) scene with you fine gents.
SerArthurDayne
Member
Just got back from an IMAX screening. Really loved it, and I don't yet have any complaints. Nothing major anyways. I'll let it sink in a bit and see it again in a week to see how I feel a second time through.
I also had to pee in a major way for the last 45 minutes, so the fact that I still enjoyed it is major praise!
No real trobule with Bane. A line or two that I didn't get until I caught the last word or so and put together with context. There were a few muddled lines by other characters here and there as well.
I also had to pee in a major way for the last 45 minutes, so the fact that I still enjoyed it is major praise!
No real trobule with Bane. A line or two that I didn't get until I caught the last word or so and put together with context. There were a few muddled lines by other characters here and there as well.
He fucking shattered that god damn pillar. Pure fuck.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
that was the same drain they found that dead orphan who got lost in the sewers
"The Shadows betray you. Because they belong to me."
Really, that whole scene was Bane's best in the movie, though he was good throughout. Hardy brought his "Warrior" fierceness. Those epic body punches, fast and hard. Dayum.
But Miranda already knew, that's the point of her being there. Ra's knew Bruce had gone back to Gotham after that shit at the League, slipped Talia a sly little text
Freyjadour
Member
The Croc reference got me giddy. Haven't seen it mentioned a lot yet. Also, Crane's suit with the shoulders torn and raggedy almost looking like straw sticking out.
Isn't that the same storm drain that JGL's character found a body washed up in an earlier scene? I thought that was supposed to be setting it up. He was running specifically for that storm drain as he knew that's where the body would wash out from the sewers there.
And I assumed Bane just figured it out, to be honest. He obviously knew a crap ton about Wayne Enterprises, from having his base be under the Applied Sciences area, etc. Stuff like Batman appearing when Bruce Wayne returned from overseas, where the gadgets and tumbler came from, how he disappeared when Wayne became a recluse, how he's back right as Wayne appears in public, all that.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
YES! And YES!!
vicissitudes
Banned
My theory is that after Ra's was saved by Bruce, and before he showed up at the mansion to execute his plan, he came into contact with Talia who then told Bane. So both Talia and Bane knew the whole time.
SerArthurDayne
Member
Good catch, I had the same problem, but that helps.
Also, the bomb. It is irregular and in decay, but they know exactly when it will blow. Doesn't make sense. The timer might work, because maybe the knew they had around 5mos and set it to blow in exactly 5 so they didn't have a couple weeks of uncertainty. But how did Gordon and co. know?
I just assumed that Bane found out from the remnants of the league of Shadows. Every one of them knew who he was, and I doubt he killed them all.
neoism
Member
fucking THIS
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I really did not like JGL's character in this movie. From the lazy-ass way he found out Batman's identity, the orphanage sub-plot, the groan-worthy mention that his name is Robin
But the movie basically made it seem like Talia resented her father (until Batman killed him) and barely corresponded with him due to Bane.
People complained that they didn't understand it during the IMAX preview (I think they're idiots because I understood it fine on a youtube bootleg) so they changed it and made his voice clearer.
Sorcerer
Member
I thought Bane knew because Selina got the prints off the safe. I forget how that info gets to Bane, but isn't that it?.
I think Selina herself does not know unitll Bane announces it however.
Seemed like revenge to me. The LOS seems to encourage vengeance, certainly Ra's did.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yep. From what I get, Blake wanted to inside the sewers from that entrance, but found Gordon there instead.
SuperAndroid17
Member
What was the croc reference?
vicissitudes
Banned
I LOVED how Batman tried to use darkness and powder as distractions when he realized he couldn't beat Bane in a straight-up fight. That and the batarangs were SORELY missing from the Dark Knight. In Batman Begins he was straight up Ninja and in the Dark Knight that was entirely gone. In this movie it was somewhere in the middle and I was okay with that.
SerArthurDayne
Member
No, his voice was fucking impossible to understand. I saw the film, watched the youtube video like 6 times, and then had to find a leaked script to get the last bits. The change was very necessary. It didn't sound off to me, just different from what was initially shown.
neoism
Member
meh should have been two or 3 more scenes with them so to show how hard it was to RISE.. lol B man just got poped in the back and tried 3 times and did it... :/
Just got back from the theaters. So after a lot of thought, I think I've put my finger on this movie. The Dark Knight Rises kinda lacked energy, it felt like how Sundays feel: enjoyable, but if you're here for the party you're a day or two late. And that can work if you're aiming for a more subdued film than say The Dark Knight, but so much of the movie lacked the enjoyable presence of the actors who were putting forward enjoyable performances, instead giving screentime to people who felt forced into the movie because Nolan likes putting them into his movies.
The film also felt so damn PG-13. It really sucked away the tension when the film constantly reminded you of the tone you want and the tone you won't get. Deaths were always conveniently cut away from or shown from a distance. People were shot in the cleanest, most bloodless way possible.
The story was also very confusing, especially at first, and it didn't help that so much being said in the film was inaudible. I'm still trying to figure out what Bane and the League of Shadows was trying to accomplish in Gotham, since they were just trying to blow it up in the end. But there was also like a forced people's revolution for a time.
But there were some great things in this movie. I really liked Bane's portrayal, his off-putting voice gave the audience a feeling of uneasiness about him. He was physically imposing, intelligent. I was really let down by the reveal that he wasn't the true antagonist. I'm not deeply knowledgeable about the Batman universe, but I thought the whole bodyguard thing was just in that awful Batman & Robin movie, and a little wikipedia reading led me to believe he was his own man maybe.
The action was more clear in being able to tell what was going on than the previous films. The fight scene between Bane and Batman was amazing.
Really though, I enjoyed it. It's hard to make anything beyond reproach, and it was pretty good.
The film also felt so damn PG-13. It really sucked away the tension when the film constantly reminded you of the tone you want and the tone you won't get. Deaths were always conveniently cut away from or shown from a distance. People were shot in the cleanest, most bloodless way possible.
The story was also very confusing, especially at first, and it didn't help that so much being said in the film was inaudible. I'm still trying to figure out what Bane and the League of Shadows was trying to accomplish in Gotham, since they were just trying to blow it up in the end. But there was also like a forced people's revolution for a time.
But there were some great things in this movie. I really liked Bane's portrayal, his off-putting voice gave the audience a feeling of uneasiness about him. He was physically imposing, intelligent. I was really let down by the reveal that he wasn't the true antagonist. I'm not deeply knowledgeable about the Batman universe, but I thought the whole bodyguard thing was just in that awful Batman & Robin movie, and a little wikipedia reading led me to believe he was his own man maybe.
The action was more clear in being able to tell what was going on than the previous films. The fight scene between Bane and Batman was amazing.
Really though, I enjoyed it. It's hard to make anything beyond reproach, and it was pretty good.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Not to mention the fact that they tried to t-bone a truck holding a nuclear bomb like it was a good idea. And then it bouncing off light poles and buildings on its way out to the water.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
Really bad idea to go to the first showing of the day; people cheering at nearly everything! I mean, I'm glad you're happy and all, but Bane was kinda hard to hear without you.
What did the women say to Blake near the end? Something about his name?
What did the women say to Blake near the end? Something about his name?
JGL's character mentions to Bruce that he told his superior officers about Gordon's claims of an underground army and a masked man, but they asked him if he'd found any giant alligators in the sewers too. Little passing thing.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Well, you're not goign to like my answer. But, Talia. We have no clue where she was or what her relationship was with Ras during Begins. There was also a chunk of time between Bruce becoming Batman and Ras going to Gotham. And I always assumed Ras knew he was Batman before he came back to Gotham.
Hmm... That is true also though. She flat out tells him she resented her father until Bruce killed him. I guess that doesn't necessarily mean she had no relationship with him.
Freyjadour
Member
Blake mentions that nobody believed him regarding the army in the sewers and asked if he'd seen a giant alligator.
Or something like that.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Foley (or was it Bruce) says that to Gordon/Blake when they said that they should check the sewers. Made fun of Blake and said something in the lines of "will I find a giant alligator there?!"
I might be mistaking characters though. Ugh, too tired.
SerArthurDayne
Member
It's not really a "bomb" as in a device made to go boom. It is just a device in radioactive decay. So the same principles might no apply.
Sorcerer
Member
I always wonderd if Nolan purposely distorted his voice in that preview. because he did not want certain info leaked at the time and just thought everybody would go nuts for just the visual aspect of it.
I find it hard to believe he was happy with dialouge.
One of the cops mentioning giant alligators being in the sewers sarcastically when JGL approaches him about the army and Bane in the sewers.
His real first name is Robin, John is his middle name. As is my understanding
Bane knows who Batman is, because everyone in the LoS knows who Bruce Wayne is, and his history. He was supposed to be the Heir to Ras and was to be his general to destroy Gotham, until he "betrayed" the LoS.
The big bad of the movie is Talia. Back to finish the job, but wanted to have the most amount of slow torture of her father's "killer" before she was going to finish the job.
The big bad of the movie is Talia. Back to finish the job, but wanted to have the most amount of slow torture of her father's "killer" before she was going to finish the job.
Davey Cakes
Member
I think the "back-breaking" makes sense, even though it's pandering. A final blow to render Bruce immobile and leave him without hope.
The cracking of the mask definitely had more impact for some reason, though.
The cracking of the mask definitely had more impact for some reason, though.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
I don't know when, but someone makes a comment about looking for "alligators in the sewers".
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Shes still the daughter of Ra's
She is still going to be connected to the network of the League of Shadows and how one of there training outposts got destroyed by Bruce Wayne.
It was never a secret that THE Bruce Wayne was among their ranks.
rollingstart
Banned
Other members of the League of Shadows, probably. Alfred mentioned it early on, and Bruce arrogantly dismisses a League without Ra's, believing he 'beat' them by
Everyone assumed there was a Batguantanamo Bay, or Batman simply murdered every member of the League. Other members knew and just went to Miranda and Bane for guidance, I guess.
Begins is really required watching for TDKR. TDK is stand alone in that regard.
Auron_Kale
Member
She said that he should use his real name, which is Robin, to which he gave an eye roll to.
Sorcerer
Member
If the movies weren't so close I might have taken that as poking fun of Amazing Spiderman. The Lizard sort of looks like a crocodile.
Nuclear bombs don't go off from that. That's why they downright try to blow them up in other movies, they have to be detonated to actually go off, you can destroy the bomb itself.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
This is absolutely my biggest complaint about the movie. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how the movie was going to end after that scene.
Fixed.
- Status