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[Four] top Bioshock Infinite team members leave Irrational
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Good.
walking fiend
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I have only played the first System Shock, but as far as I am aware, SS2 didn't have dual wielding of magic + weapon, which is one of the main focuses of the both Undying and Bioshock. I believe they are mostly like each other in the atmosphere and premise
Also, in Undying, the basic plot is this: Your friend asks you to help him; you kill all your friends enemies; then it turns out your friend was using you as a tool; now tell me if Bioshock is not the similar.
I literally knew from the first dialogue with Adam in the elevator [iirc his name and the location] that how in the end it would turn out. Though to be honest after playing for few hours and finding the overall game boring [specially the combat and puzzles and the level design], I let go of it and only asked one of my friend who had finished the game if what I thought was true, which was
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I just watched the 15 min e3 demo a few nights ago, hadn't seen it before.
This game is going to be insane. I don't even understand.
This game is going to be insane. I don't even understand.
CaptainSchwann
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But here's a better question: Which will get canceled first? Bioshock vita or...
the Vita?
Please give me an example of an exemplary game in your opinion if you feel Bioshock had a predictable story, unoriginal ideas, and poor gameplay
More than two people left Rare in 2007.
walking fiend
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read my previous post; both the plot and dual wielding would be very familiar if you had played Undying before; Bioshock has 'objectively' borrowed a lot from Undying [though undying may have done so from some other games, but then we would have only two overrated games].
Regarding poor gameplay, I think if they managed to balance the game without relying on spawning, it would be really helpful; I also think it damaged the 'horror' part of the game a lot too; imagine a Silent Hill with regenerative health; disregarding that it wouldn't be survival anymore, it will really decrease the fear that you have of dying
CaptainSchwann
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Or exactly like System Shock 2, that came out 2 years before Undying did.
BioShock doesn't have dual wielding, BioShock 2 did though, and Infinite does. It does however, have a hand for magic, and a hand for guns, and SS2 didn't, it used the magic in the same right hand as the weapons.
The story of BioShock is exactly the same as System Shock 2 in the broad strokes. And SS2 came before Undying. You are lead through the environment by an unreliable narrator, who is in fact the antagonist. They even have the same twist that you were under their control the whole time.
Your friend is wrong.
Piss. Beat me to it.
Anyway, done with troll because of bolded text
Those games still had demo builds for trade shows and preview builds the press could play. So far no one has played TLG or v13.
Damn I forgot they DID skip E3....huh
Personally I wouldn't hold my breath on the vita version right now.
walking fiend
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Now even more so I don't see what people found really interesting about Bioshock: plot is predictable, combat difficulty balance is patched by spawning, puzzles are boring, dual wielding is from almost a decade ago in a better form; then what's so great about the game?
TLG was demoed to some European press. But I wasn't aware BioShock Infinite has been playable at a trade show or for the press either.
I thought it was a beautiful, fun to play, and thought provoking game.
Reallink
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Serious question, how does TakeTwo avoid disclosing this kind of information at investor meetings--legally speaking? I mean lets be real, they know whether Infinite and GTAV are going to make FY13, but as of last week they still maintained their (likely) bogus 1.7 billion $$$ earnings forecasts.
Vinterbird
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Les not make this crazy. Two people leaving doesn't equal delay.
CaptainSchwann
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You know I understand having a difference of opinion, but I also believe in giving credit where credit is due. If you can't look at Bioshock and at least give it credit for it's unique style and atmosphere, then I'm almost entirely sure you're just trolling.
JehutyRunner
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No, they said they wouldn't show it at E3/gamescom. Not once did it say it wasn't showing it at all this year. Not to mention, it did release videos from the game back between March and April.
walking fiend
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It definitely had amazing graphics and atmosphere (even if I didn't find it suspenseful due to spawning), I also personally loved the cinematic direction of the game [in the sense that how each part of the scene and stages was placed, cutsence directions, etc.]; It's overall a great game [as far as I played], but very far from being rated as one of the best game of pas decade, or even ever!
I think if it had a better game design, it could be extremely good, hence why I believe talents at other parts of the game may work on better projects. I even believe we disregard the plot, the rest of the story, e.g. character development, dialogues, etc. were quite good.
snoopeasystreet
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If it ended where it should have, it would have been amazing. It just sort of turned into a video game after that. Still think it is one of the best games of the generation though.
ii Stryker
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I'd imagine the game has been content complete for some time and all that's been left to do is polish the shit out of it.
Although there's been speculation that the reason for the delay has been because they're trying to incorporate MP in some form or fashion, I really don't see the departure of two relatively high level managers being a detriment to the project this late in the dev cycle.
As long as Levine is still with the project and hasn't set himself on fire and dove off the top of the Irrational office building I think we're still good.
Although there's been speculation that the reason for the delay has been because they're trying to incorporate MP in some form or fashion, I really don't see the departure of two relatively high level managers being a detriment to the project this late in the dev cycle.
As long as Levine is still with the project and hasn't set himself on fire and dove off the top of the Irrational office building I think we're still good.
Would you kindly finish the development of Bioshock Infinite already
Yes.
ThisWreckage
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This generation has been screwy from top to bottom. Two of the biggest titles might not even come out until 2014. Presumably, all three next gen consoles will be out by them.
Bioshock was good, not great. Bioshock 2 was even worse. I don't care how ambitious they are because their ambitions rarely line up with their final product.
Bioshock was good, not great. Bioshock 2 was even worse. I don't care how ambitious they are because their ambitions rarely line up with their final product.
Forsaken82
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Many would argue that Rare began their downward spiral well before this happened... martin hollis leaving would make for a better argument...
What is the other biggest title? Also, Levine & Co. had nothing to do with BioShock 2.
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element
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They also lost their Design Manager to Sucker Punch and Senior System Design to Harmonix. One producer transitioned to writer, another went to Microsoft.
Joystiq has it all.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/08/key-irrational-staffers-exit-company-including-bioshock-infinit/
Joystiq has it all.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/08/key-irrational-staffers-exit-company-including-bioshock-infinit/
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you didn't just compare Ryan Payton to Nate Wells
piratepwnsninja
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Wow
clutch.as.it.gets.
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They should delay Bioshock Infinite, take all the time they need and release it on next gen consoles.
This is everyone's solution to everything it seems, and it never makes sense to me. What's the budget for this game already? $40/50M? Give it another eighteen months for PS480 and it'll be $55/60? Factor in a healthy marketing budget, you're looking at four million units just break even. Four million units in the first year of a platform? Incredibly difficult, and more importantly, needlessly difficult when there's a hundred and thirty million PS360s.
That sure does sound like Take-Two's decision making process though.
Well, actually, Take-Two's decision making process would involve a two year delay and adding all of 2K Marin and Gearbox onto the project.
AHA-Lambda
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Ok this AND not showing at GamesCom? I'm getting kinda worried now here guys =/
How does that make sense though? You are right it probably would happen!
This is the same publisher that released Spec Ops: The Line, The Darkness II (both of which just screamed bomba), Max Payne 3 which I doubt has made any money, and is also clearly struggling with their upcoming XCOM FPS reboot that has been in development for what, 5 years?? How on earth Take Two function eludes me.
Well, the game has never had hands on time with the press and even at E3 it looked like something you would have to play in a very specific way for it to work, so I feel this isn't too surprising.