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[Devolution]

I recall someone telling me about how they used to watch Cat House or some documentary about a Brothel. One of the women there was of age but obviously looked quite young. When asked about her clientelle she specifically said "I'm glad they come see me and fulfill their fantasies instead of harming someone."

And I said to myself, well I can't really argue with that logic.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

know loads of people that do/have done it.

not an issue. it's a bit sad, but nothing to feel awesome about yourself over.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I recall someone telling me about how they used to watch Cat House or some documentary about a Brothel. One of the women there was of age but obviously looked quite young. When asked about her clientelle she specifically said "I'm glad they come see me and fulfill their fantasies instead of harming someone."

And I said to myself, well I can't really argue with that logic.

Taking one for the team?
It must really scar someone to have to deal with people like that.

 

[Xero]

How about a fun time with an interesting person you just met at work/school/etc? Do you seriously view going out on a date with someone the same as paying a hooker for sex? The fuck is wrong with you?

You are looking at two different things. Honestly if they were legal, regulated, and all clean. Thus no pimps involved and the women all working for themselves, and I wasn't in a relationship, and just wanted to fuck in between relationships, I wouldn't see a problem with it. I would know exactly what I was getting. The poster above was pointing out how most people go to clubs mainly to just find people to have sex with, not to find a girlfriend. The endgame desire is the same. Just if you are paying specifically for sex you don't have to worry about going home without getting any. Sometimes people just want to fuck and are not looking for relationships.

 

[Aguirre]

know loads of people that do/have done it.

not an issue. it's a bit sad, but nothing to feel awesome about yourself over.

yeah, well, ... so is having a foreskin.

 

[RionaaM]

100% chance of sex vs 50/50...

More like 100% vs 0% in my case

Spoiler

:'(

 

[isual]

You are looking at two different things. Honestly if they were legal, regulated, and all clean. Thus no pimps involved and the women all working for themselves, and I wasn't in a relationship, and just wanted to fuck in between relationships, I wouldn't see a problem with it. I would know exactly what I was getting. The poster above was pointing out how most people go to clubs mainly to just find people to have sex with, not to find a girlfriend. The endgame desire is the same. Just if you are paying specifically for sex you don't have to worry about going home without getting any. Sometimes people just want to fuck and are not looking for relationships.

This is wassup.

 

[kaioshade]

Some of the comments are a bit disturbing. There are quite a few circumstances where seeking a prostitute would be taken. You dont need to be depraved for something like that.

And WTF is with the foreskin comment? That was out of nowhere

 

[OttomanScribe]

And WTF is with the foreskin comment? That was out of nowhere

You know this is gaf right?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I recall someone telling me about how they used to watch Cat House or some documentary about a Brothel. One of the women there was of age but obviously looked quite young. When asked about her clientelle she specifically said "I'm glad they come see me and fulfill their fantasies instead of harming someone."

And I said to myself, well I can't really argue with that logic.

I've seen that show quite a few times and don't recall any remotely underage looking girls.

Pretty much all the girls say the same thing you just quoted. The "fantasy" being whatever the hell the person requests..

 

[EdibleExplosives]

I wouldn't really care, there are a lot worse things they could be getting up to.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Who are you to judge him?

 

[Devolution]

I've seen that show quite a few times and don't recall any remotely underage looking girls.

Pretty much all the girls say the same thing you just quoted. The "fantasy" being whatever the hell the person requests..

I talked to the person it was Louis Theroux documentary.

Taking one for the team?
It must really scar someone to have to deal with people like that.

It didn't like she was scarred so much as she knew and reconciled her appeal.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I talked to the person it was Louis Theroux documentary.

I C.

Outside of the "harm someone" part (which, did you add or am I losing it? lol) that's what all the girls say on Cathouse. "I'm just happy I can fulfill people's fantasies."

But yeah, some blatantly underage looking girl might be different.. however I think people exaggerate how "young" many women who are 18-21 look in the first place. Anyone man or woman could have a "baby face" well into their 20's or even 30's, and like to bash any man who would find them attractive as if it's evidence of some perversion.

 

[SmZA]

From first page

when my dad takes me, i dont really care. but if it was me on my own, i wouldn't go and certainly wouldn't pass judgement.

So did everyone just skip over this, or...?

 

[spacerumsfield]

I have trouble being satisfied by sex if I don't believe the girl is enjoying herself..

It's the biggest reason why I'd probably never get a prostitute.. even if I am fully capable of pleasing the woman she's going to go into it as an "actor" most likely either way. I'd be too distracted by that.

I'd say the same about lapdances too.. if I get a lapdance and the girl is making noises for no reason or obviously "Faking" enjoyment I want nothing to do with it. Part of the appeal of lapdances for me is that you can at times really turn the girl on and get them to be interested in sex that doesn't involve paying them money.. I can't imagine that'd be anywhere near as likely with a prostitute.. but maybe that's the "challenge" I'd have to keep in the back of my mind to enjoy myself, lol.

You'd be surprised how many do it because they enjoy it. And it makes sense that enjoyment would be a motivation for during such a thing, does it not? Again, we are talking about the genuine professionals here, not a confused 19 year old or god forbid anything related to street walking or human trafficking.

 

[dejay]

I was in a relationship with a sex worker for a while (we met outside of her job) so I got to know a few of the girls she worked with quite well. There are all kind of clients with all kinds of needs or desires, be it physical or emotional. Some guys were abusive and very misogynistic, whilst others were ridiculously tender and fell in love with any worker who opened up even the slightest bit.

Some groups representing intellectually and physically disabled people even organised sessions; a specific type of human contact they may not have been able to get elsewhere.

As someone said before, it's legal and regulated in Australia, although different laws apply in different states. There's still some organised crime and corruption around the industry, although it's getting better.

I will say that the girls do tend to pick up some emotional scars over the years of working in the industry - it's not something that I think is good for them in the long run, although they tend to pick up useful insights and perspectives in the shorter term.

There are still street walkers who for whatever reason can't or won't work from a brothel - I don't know why people would employ their services, given the other options available.

 

[Devolution]

I C.

Outside of the "harm someone" part (which, did you add or am I losing it? lol) that's what all the girls say on Cathouse. "I'm just happy I can fulfill people's fantasies."

But yeah, some blatantly underage looking girl might be different.. however I think people exaggerate how "young" many women who are 18-21 look in the first place. Anyone man or woman could have a "baby face" well into their 20's or even 30's, and like to bash any man who would find them attractive as if it's evidence of some perversion.

I added it. I'm stealthy. And yeah the girls on Cat House definitely say that for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZO9ixxnVyo

Here's a link. I'm watching it right now.

 

[Aguirre]

Some of the comments are a bit disturbing. There are quite a few circumstances where seeking a prostitute would be taken. You dont need to be depraved for something like that.

And WTF is with the foreskin comment? That was out of nowhere

technically, it wasn't without reason. it was in reply to catfish's tagline.

so yeah. i'll take an apology in pm form.

 

[dehydratedbabies]

No, but don't talk about it around me.

This one time I had sex with this sex worker and I came.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

You'd be surprised how many do it because they enjoy it. And it makes sense that enjoyment would be a motivation for during such a thing, does it not? Again, we are talking about the genuine professionals here, not a confused 19 year old or god forbid anything related to street walking or human trafficking.

Doesn't really surprise me at all; I've read accounts like that... there's a local web site here in Seattle that has escorts who post on it, along with the dudes who use their services.. and the girls regularly post about how much fun they have. It seems genuine, and I've known girls fairly well who were strippers or did other "sexy" jobs that claimed to truly enjoy the experience.

A lot of those women expect gifts, expect people bring wine and have a glass or 2 and chat, etc.. the "girlfriend experience" as they call it, and the girls all network and discuss their clients and expect "references", etc. Fairly fascinating stuff. Happened upon it because an ex girlfriend of mine was interested in getting an escort for a 3some and have checked up on it and other "escort" related sights from time to time out of curiosity.

I'm just saying for me personally it would still detract from the experience. The sex is nearly 100% guaranteed so it's just less desirable to me. An obvious indication that sex is partly about my ego for me but I can't help but admit it.. if I can't reasonable assume I've impressed the woman I'm just not into it.

edit: The site I'm referring to is thereviewboard.net Obviously contains some NSFW material and some nude photos and the like, so I won't link it.. not sure of GAFs policies and such?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I added it. I'm stealthy. And yeah the girls on Cat House definitely say that for sure.

Haha cool.. I re-read that and was like "Wait, no, they definitely don't say the stuff about avoiding harming someone."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZO9ixxnVyo

Here's a link. I'm watching it right now.

Thanks, out of curiosity if you find where the supposedly young looking girl is post what time it is in the video..

I'm maybe slightly defensive about the topic because my girlfriend is fairly young and somewhat of a "baby face".. and I've dated Asian girls before who always get the "She looks like a little girl!" crap that I find racist.

 

[Kentpaul]

Amsterdam has the right idea. The place is full of security and you can have a good look at the female before dropping hard earned cash for the service.

Going with a prostitute is pretty dude Bro though. I imagine 90 percent of people who bang prostitutes play call of duty and sports video games.

My friend who banged a few has achieved full rank in the last few call of duty games.

I would never go with one as I have a girlfriend. If I was single I would rather just pull a chick In a club and have the service for free.

 

[Femmeworth]

I recall someone telling me about how they used to watch Cat House or some documentary about a Brothel. One of the women there was of age but obviously looked quite young. When asked about her clientelle she specifically said "I'm glad they come see me and fulfill their fantasies instead of harming someone."

And I said to myself, well I can't really argue with that logic.

I don't fully agree with that. While it's better than that alternative, there has to be a better solution.

Edit: Seems like a clear cut false dilemma to me.

 

[Devolution]

I don't fully agree with that logic.

Can you explain?

 

[LuchaShaq]

I added it. I'm stealthy. And yeah the girls on Cat House definitely say that for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZO9ixxnVyo

Here's a link. I'm watching it right now.

As a formerly single man who went to the beach on an almost daily basis it was not uncommon for me to talk to someone who looked 20-25 and then realize they are 14ish and not uncommon for me to see someone who looked 14ish and then realize they are 20-25.

 

[poppabk]

You sound way to judgmental about this. If someone is looking for sex and not an experience that will probably not lead to it or shady circumstances in which both people are quite inebriated, I think prostitution should be an option for them.

There is a difference between thinking that a regulated legal option should be available and thinking that paying for sex is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sexual encounters.

 

[Devolution]

There is a difference between thinking that a regulated legal option should be available and thinking that paying for sex is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sexual encounters.

Do you think demonizing paying for sex helps?

 

[dehydratedbabies]

To the answer the question, only if they're shorter than me.

 

[Femmeworth]

Can you explain?

I edited my post.

I don't fully agree with that. While it's better than that alternative, there has to be a better solution.

Edit: Seems like a clear cut false dilemma to me.

It's like suggesting that legalized prostitution will put a stop to rape.

 

[Deleted member 81567]

No I wouldn't. They're the pinnacle of careers honestly. Getting paid by enjoying getting stimulated (maybe not all the time.)


If we were all good-looking and confident enough, we'd all be prostitutes.

 

[OttomanScribe]

No I wouldn't. They're the pinnacle of careers honestly. Getting paid by enjoying getting stimulated (maybe not all the time.)


If we were all good-looking and confident enough, we'd all be prostitutes.

Yeah... that's a pretty romanticised idea of how it works. There is certainly one end of the sex work scale that goes that way, but the rest of it isn't like that, and hasn't been like that.

The reality is that even in countries where there is a veneer of legality around sex work, there are consistant levels of exploitation present within prostitution. This is something especially true in countries where it is not legal. The serious potential is that the person visiting a sex worker is taking part in what amounts to systematic sexual abuse.

 

[Deleted member 81567]

Please guide me through your thought process, OttomanScribe.

 

[george_us]

Sex isn't free so not really.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

It's like suggesting that legalized prostitution will put a stop to rape.

We are wired by our biology to have strong desires for sex.

It's not so insane to suggest that legalized prostitution could help at least LOWER rape rates.

Not that I believe that outright, but I'm unsure why you'd disagree with the basic statement.. the prostitute is saying she'd rather some guy pay a prostitute who WANTS customers than rape someone.

You can disagree that prostitution lowers rape rates, but I don't see what is wrong with the statement itself. She'd rather they pay a prostitute than rape..

To disagree with that statement... is.. odd.

 

[Devolution]

I edited my post.

It's like suggesting that legalized prostitution will put a stop to rape.

It won't put a stop to it but imagine a legal outlet for those who want sex and need to procure it.

Also the underage looking woman, Belle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6CI6GIFuM&feature=player_detailpage#t=219s

 

[LuchaShaq]

Do you think demonizing paying for sex helps?

Just because I think it should be legal doesn't mean I no longer think it quite sad and a bit pathetic in many but not all cases.

 

[Phoenix]

I don't understand why most escort review sites are behind a paywall. Not that i've looked that hard I'm sure there's some free forum out there but it strikes me as dumb.

If you wanted to know that a product was good, wouldn't give harm you (via disease or pimp jacking), wouldn't misrepresent itself (via bad/fake photos), and would perform based on price paid - wouldn't YOU pay money for that?

Its not something that I'd pay for, but if I were in the market for - it seems like the sort of thing that I'd definitely consider a good investment.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

It won't put a stop to it but imagine a legal outlet for those who want sex and need to procure it.

Also the underage looking girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6CI6GIFuM&feature=player_detailpage#t=219s

Wow.. so the brothel lady basically accused every man who selects that 21 year old girl (who doesn't look that young to me at all) of being a pedophile?

Seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[dinazimmerman]

Legalizing prostitution seems like a no-brainer, but there may be some unintended consequences involved:

Legal prostitution and human trafficking

Human trafficking is a sad manifestation of inequality that has proven difficult to eradicate with bans and laws. Maybe market based approaches could have more success. As a significant part of human trafficking is linked to prostitution, intervention on the prostitution market seems like a natural opportunity. Specifically, if prostitution is made legal, and human trafficking is illegal, then illegally trafficked prostitutes should be pushed out of the market because legal prostitutes are generally preferred.

Seo-Young Cho, Axel Dreher and Eric Neumayer show that this logic does not hold, or is at least more than compensated by an effect going the other way: legalizing the prostitution market increases its size so much that the supply of legal prostitutes is not sufficient and illegally trafficked ones are needed. They come to this conclusion by using data from 150 countries, all except very-low-income ones that should not be recipients of human trafficking. This means the regressions should not suffer of selection bias like some previous studies. But I wonder whether the legalization of prostitution can be treated as exogenous in this context. Indeed, if some legislators were motivated by human trafficking to legalize prostitution, the estimated relationship could be biased.

http://economiclogic.blogspot.com/2012/08/legal-prostitution-and-human-traficking.html

Of course, this is just the interpretation of the data that one group of researchers has arrived at, but the question they raise is interesting.

 

[OttomanScribe]

Please guide me through your thought process, OttomanScribe.

I was involved in a research project that examined the history of prostitution in the Australian context. While in certain situations (brothels with madams, high paid 'escorts') women professed and clearly had a large degree of agency, in general this was not the case, and coercion, along with sexual violence, was common even in places where sex work was legal.

This is especially the case where large amounts of the women involved are essentially imported as human cargo to be involved in the sex industry. You don't really know the situation of the woman you are visiting, unless you are very careful about the whole thing.

 

[OttomanScribe]

We are wired by our biology to have strong desires for sex.

It's not so insane to suggest that legalized prostitution could help at least LOWER rape rates.

Not that I believe that outright, but I'm unsure why you'd disagree with the basic statement.. the prostitute is saying she'd rather some guy pay a prostitute who WANTS customers than rape someone.

You can disagree that prostitution lowers rape rates, but I don't see what is wrong with the statement itself. She'd rather they pay a prostitute than rape..

To disagree with that statement... is.. odd.

You have the assumption that rape is about sexual drive, when it is really about power.

 

[Salvadora]

I wonder what effect legalizing prostitution would have on Human trafficking.

 

[Deleted member 81567]

I am very careful Ottoman. I treat prostitutes with the utmost resepct.

 

[OttomanScribe]

I wonder what effect legalizing prostitution would have on Human trafficking.

There are countries with legalised prostition that still have large amounts of women who have been trafficked.

In many cases we are talking about sex slavery, given the choice between 'employing' a slave who one does not need to be paid but merely kept, and looking for a 'confident woman with a high sex drive who wants to get paid to have a bit of fun'... the former is often chosen.

I am very careful Ottoman. I treat prostitutes with the utmost resepct.

What would respect have to do with anything?

If someone is participating in sex slavery, basically the extended gang rape of a woman held through coercion, the individual 'respect' of johns towards the workers doesn't really play much into my considerations.

I get that you are joking but I know people who have this kind of attitude, 'oh, its okay because I am nice to her'.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

You have the assumption that rape is about sexual drive, when it is really about power.

I made no such assumption; in fact I stated I didn't believe the hypothesis I presented.

Either way, to disagree with the statement:

I'd rather someone pay a prostitute than rape someone.

Is to say you'd rather they rape someone. I know that wasn't your point, but the way you stated it was odd.

But claiming all rape is about power is way too black and white as well. A whole lot of rape is certainly about sex drive.

 

[Femmeworth]

We are wired by our biology to have strong desires for sex.

It's not so insane to suggest that legalized prostitution could help at least LOWER rape rates.

Not that I believe that outright, but I'm unsure why you'd disagree with the basic statement.. the prostitute is saying she'd rather some guy pay a prostitute who WANTS customers than rape someone.

You can disagree that prostitution lowers rape rates, but I don't see what is wrong with the statement itself. She'd rather they pay a prostitute than rape..

To disagree with that statement... is.. odd.

I'm not arguing against legalizing prostitution or saying that it won't have an impact on the amount of rapes, I apologize for my confusing wording. What I'm getting at has to do more with dealing with those who have unhealthy sexual desires. Basically, I don't see prostitution as a good outlet for those with pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, etc.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I just realized I was dealing with 2 people, sorry Ottoman, confused you with who I was actually responding too.

But you really shouldn't accuse people of making assumptions who outright state they aren't making an assumption.

 

[big_z]

If losers and dude bro assholes wouldn't spam pictures of their penis, drugs and money on dating or adult hookup sites it would be really easy to find someone to hook up with for free.

That said you can still find people to make smoosh smoosh with fairly easily providing you are at least average in the looks department or are willing to lower your standards.

I don't think I would look down on someone for using an escort but only if it became legalized. After browsing the Canadian night life boards or whatever its called I've noticed a majority of sex worker ads are scams, drug abusers, muggers etc. Not exactly something that seems worth the risk and it makes the whole service a lot more vile than it should be.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

What I'm getting at has to do more with dealing with those who have unhealthy sexual desires.

Can you elaborate? The statement made was clearly intended to be about a guy who just wants sex, who otherwise isn't successful at getting at.. what is unhealthy in that scenario?

I definitely think it's a somewhat naive statement.. as many rapists have the desire to rape.. not just the desire to have sex, but ignoring those people, since the statement isn't about them, what is unhealthy?