Metalmurphy
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They are emulated.
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The Ten Years Decline of Sony
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They are emulated.
Tokubetsu
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Well yea, Sony has it's hands in everything. TV, Music, Film, Games etc.
Live Free or Die
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A new day, a new Sony hate article. Nothing to see here.
PS1 is a lot easier to emulate and doesn't require anything like the Cell. Hell my 2004 laptop could perfectly emulate PS1 games but PS2 was a lot trickier due to the emotion engine and probably some other tech stuff that's over my head. That's likely why it took so long to get a digital PS2 section on PSN, Sony spent years telling us they weren't even sure if they could pull it off. PS4 is a more clear cut scenario. No Cell, no PS3 backwards compatibility for the vast majority of games.
I say all this from the posts in various PS4 speculation threads that I've read. There's a lot of knowledgeable people in those threads discussing all this stuff.
& he likes to do a lot of conjecture about sony management.
Stumpokapow
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This, by the way, is what we're talking about in the FAQ forum post on Inappropriate Posts:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427771
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Deleted member 80556
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I... I think I'm sad right now.
Well, I guess there's that. I know engineers want to do the best, but not while defying superiors. Doesn't that go against Japanese culture?
Hirai, if you get Sony back on it's spot in the 90's, you'll have my eternal respect.
Well, I guess there's that. I know engineers want to do the best, but not while defying superiors. Doesn't that go against Japanese culture?
Hirai, if you get Sony back on it's spot in the 90's, you'll have my eternal respect.
it's not that i'm worried about, i have ps3 and vita digital purchases and i'm worried that if sony goes to shit in the future I cannot redownload those if need be. Fault of all digital services I guess.
OP is top poster in the Vita thread. Obviously a hater.
solarus said:
True that is a risk. If they go under they're not going to keep their servers running so they'll last as long as your console does or I guess if you have more games than space you'll have to pick and choose.
Do you know if this includes marketing and development? Could the resources have been put towards another product with greater profit or success? I don't believe for a second that Sony's goal was to create a product that only a small fraction of PS3 owners would purchase and which had at best limited support from developers.
MikeE21286
Member
I was absolutely amazed at this also.
I thought once I saw the liabilities part that they would be WAAAAAY upside down (liabilities >>>>assets) considering I didn't think their assets would be that high.
Barkley's Justice
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I think Amazon, Valve, Apple & Samsung are likely entrants to the "console" game (less so Samsung since it's apparent content distributors are the new power players).
Sony won't make it out of next-gen as a console player. They'll be a multiplat software publisher by generation's end.
Sony won't make it out of next-gen as a console player. They'll be a multiplat software publisher by generation's end.
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Deleted member 80556
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Now that I think about it, could it be more beneficial to Sony to literally split up the company into several, different companies, one for gaming, one for TV's, one for music, movies, and so on?
Hmmn.. in fairness to Sony though:
Music Department
Movie/TV Department
Gaming Department
Camera Department
Mobile Department
Laptop Department
I maybe missing more I guess.
MikeE21286
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Do they still make laptops?
i.e. they should stop making laptops
So when valve don't force their engineers to do something, and just let things evolve that is amazing and the way forward, yet when Sony do it, it's a nightmare? If Sony were doing well, letting your engineers innovate is great. Even their formats often work well. Beta didn't work in the home but did take off with TV producers. Cd/bluray are great formats too.
Most of this is down to their core products from the last ten years simply not competing, and Sony still trying to command a premium price. Along with pushing proprietary solutions where alternatives already have traction (memory stick etc). I hope they can reorganise themselves and focus on products that make them money. That includes TVs but they really need to innovate here, they've been left behind by the likes of samsung.
Most of this is down to their core products from the last ten years simply not competing, and Sony still trying to command a premium price. Along with pushing proprietary solutions where alternatives already have traction (memory stick etc). I hope they can reorganise themselves and focus on products that make them money. That includes TVs but they really need to innovate here, they've been left behind by the likes of samsung.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
life insurance and financing department, the department that's actually profitable.
PastorOfMuppets
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That actually might be a part of the problem. Almost all of the divisions that Sony has it's hands in are suffering due to industry wide slowdowns (music and DVD/Blu-Ray market) or industries where they have just given up the lead (consumer electronics, TV's especially). Some of the industries Sony never managed to gain a foothold in in the first place - like computers (does anyone really use a Vaio computer?) or flash memory (memory stick is a loser). The inability for Sony - the inventor of the walkman, to adapt to the MP3 player is painfully ironic but probably not surprising when you consider their music industry connections.
Also bad timing for Sony to win a format war - Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, at a time when physical media sales are slowing in growth and the industry is beginning to move to streaming media.
Metroid Hunter
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They own some movies, TV shows, gaming IPs and music. Microsoft just has the gaming IPs. Apple and Google have none of the above. So it makes sense.
The big problem with assets is that they often carry ongoing costs. For example, owning a piece of equipment has insurance, depreciation, maintenance, etc. Owning a McMansion does not make you rich and in some cases can make you poorer faster.
Just because they have something listed in the books as worth $X, doesn't mean they can actually sell the asset at $X any more than you can always sell a car at the price you bought it for.
Keep in mind Sony is an electronics company that actually owns their own factories unlike Apple, Google or MS.
That and they have their fingers in a lot of pies.
MikeE21286
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Insurance Department. The key thing to take away is that Sony has a lot fingers in a lot of pies.
RealDeadOne
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You can't argue the very best looking PS3 exclusive games don't look better than the very best looking 360 exclusive games.
I don't at all mean to say that Sony was the most innovative, or innovative at all really, and I don't mean to downplay the importance of the Wii and 360 which definitely innovated in more ways than the PS3 ever did, but Sony was the one that always pushed for more power, more options.
They didn't invent the Wiimote, but they implemented it in their system so gamers could have more options. They didn't come up with 3D, but they implemented it so gamers could have more options. They didn't push the envelope, but they do their best to make the PS3 the best gaming machine on the market from a feature-set standpoint, and that's what I admire about them, even though they probably failed.
EDIT: This really does sound like a PS3 ad and I'm sorry for that
The idea that nintendo only makes consoles/handhelds and games is pretty misleading to me, they have investments as far afield as owning a baseball team
Oh man I should have just scrolled to the end, Emily Rogers article wasnt she supposed to never write again for making up bullshit
Oh man I should have just scrolled to the end, Emily Rogers article wasnt she supposed to never write again for making up bullshit
Syphon Filter
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baseball team?
I guess it's appropriate since a bunch of people have mistakenly called the author of this article (Emily Rogers) a "he"
DragonSworne
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I'm sure another company will buy or publish the games that Sony first and second parties make.
Don't fear
Don't fear
Gaming wise yes, but Sony decline as an consuner electronics company started at around that time when the Ipod launched in 2001 it pretty much destroyed their portable music market, and more competition in their TV market.
I think they own the majority share of the Seattle Mariners. I have no idea if they make money or not, I know their spending money on players is extremely low and they usually lose their best players to other teams. But knowing Nintendo it's probably still profitable for them.
DragonSworne said:
A lot of publishers wouldn't put out the games that Sony funds. Plus something that a lot of their developers praise Sony for is that they let them almost do what they want to do, their creative freedom is probably way up near the top of the industry. I mean Naughty Dog actually refused to make a Vita game because they simply didn't want to. They told their bosses to shove off basically.
Metroid Hunter
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Doesn't Yamauchi own the baseball team? Or well Nintendo of America, not NCL?
ScreenSplitter
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Ah yeah, I remember the new Walkman initiative. Pretty embarrassing.
PastorOfMuppets
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Sony is not just a video game company though, if it actually were to disappear off the map, the impact on many industries would be paradigm shifting. Just like if Microsoft were to disappear the effects would be felt far, far wider than just the video game industry.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Stories about Sony's conflicted internal culture makes me wonder if it's responsible for game development troubles. Where software goes into limbo for years, and subs like Polyphony are allowed to fiddle around with games for four years, that the Playstation needed out on day 1.
Seems to fit with the image of engineers running everything and being overprotective of the right to spend time and resources screwing around, even if other stuff is on the line and suffering.
As for Move 'failing', in this case, I think Move could be called a failure in terms of driving the platform or the market. Even if Sony isn't losing money on every Move sold, they invested a huge amount of money, time, and marketing in an accessory that doesn't seem to be getting most Playtation owners to pick it up and use it. Not a system seller, and it doesn't have great software support. Not many games use it even today.
I don't get comments like "why should we discuss it" or fuck the charts tho. As someone said upthread, if Sony runs themselves out of business by focusing on technology for its own sake, their 'beautiful products' won't exist for anyone to enjoy.
Seems to fit with the image of engineers running everything and being overprotective of the right to spend time and resources screwing around, even if other stuff is on the line and suffering.
As for Move 'failing', in this case, I think Move could be called a failure in terms of driving the platform or the market. Even if Sony isn't losing money on every Move sold, they invested a huge amount of money, time, and marketing in an accessory that doesn't seem to be getting most Playtation owners to pick it up and use it. Not a system seller, and it doesn't have great software support. Not many games use it even today.
I don't get comments like "why should we discuss it" or fuck the charts tho. As someone said upthread, if Sony runs themselves out of business by focusing on technology for its own sake, their 'beautiful products' won't exist for anyone to enjoy.
ColdBlooder
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So what? Its a well researched and well written article.
Own a stake in the Seattle Mariners, IIRC?
Canis lupus
Member
I think Sony's financial woes will continue for some time as PS4 r&d and marketing will be at maximum and underperforming Vita. But interesting times ahead. Sony's smartphone business seems to be doing a lot better than couple years ago, especially in Europe. TV division can turn things around with the shift to OLED and 4k in the future.
And PS4 is an opportunity to regain lost value of PS brand.
And PS4 is an opportunity to regain lost value of PS brand.
Syphon Filter
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interesting,had no idea.what year did they do this?
bigtroyjon
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Incorrect. The Mariners have been in the top half of payrolls for most of their existence.
Well, since the current ownership group took over at least.
I think the worst has yet to come for Sony to be honest.
This economy won't forgive anyone for mistakes though, so I am interested to see if you're right and if that's enough to turn the financial results into positive ones.
PastorOfMuppets
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Most modern sports teams are owned by corporations now so this is not that weird. Nintendo's subsidiaries are all related to video games in some way with the Mariners being the lone exception. Sony's divisions are literally all over the place. They have significant holdings in real estate, financial markets, music, film, video games, consumer electronics etc.