It could just be a confined conflict like the skirmishes with Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea. Something smaller scale than the Falklands War, but similar, which only occurred around the island.Over a tiny island and the surrounding 200 miles of fish? Japanese are not that stupid.
Over a tiny island and the surrounding 200 miles of fish? Japanese are not that stupid.
It could just be a confined conflict like the skirmishes with Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea. Something smaller scale than the Falklands War, but similar, which only occurred around the island.
Over a tiny island and the surrounding 200 miles of fish? Japanese are not that stupid.
So what's the chances this will end in conflict?
Over a tiny island and the surrounding 200 miles of fish? Japanese are not that stupid.
Tons of huge protests all over China today.
This twitter account is gathering photos from all over China of the protests today:
http://twitter.com/fmnnow
I am so glad we took Japan's military away
And I thought Koreans hated Japan.
Some Koreans hate Japan. More in the North than the South. But common enemies make strange bedfellows.
I know, living in Korea myself. It's just that the rage from China is so fucking over the top lol.
It makes the reactions from Korea regarding the Liancourt Rocks look pedestrian.
Man those islands are so far away from Japan.
sup, Chinese Urkel?
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Burning Jap. flags, etc. Should instead be throwing the Mao portrait into the fire..
And I thought Koreans hated Japan.
IMO the Chinese are reacting like the Argentinians react to the Falklands. Although, from what I can tell the Taiwanese might have a claim. Although if it's true that the islands were uninhabited, and never claimed by any government until the Japanese got there - they're clearly Japanese.
Something something nanking.
Sino-japanese relations have never been good.
There are plenty of evidences that show Japan doesn't have a solid claim.
But this event escalated due to a few reasons.
* The need to diverse internal conflict in China
* The need to declare the Chinese claim (really Taiwan should have been the one who take the lead but they kind of pussy out) and attack Japanese ultra nationalist
* The start of Yuan-Yen direct exchange which will no doubt undermind the power of US dollar in the far east economic zone. IMO this is the main trigger of the escalation.
Bad Chinese Japanese relations go back well before WW2 (or even colonialism). For example, Japanese pirates (who actually may have been Chinese pirates based in Japan) were a consistent foreign policy issue between the two countries.
Yeah, they may not. It just seems to me (from what little I know about it) that China has no claim. Taiwan might have a claim that it had suzerainty over the islands prior to Japanese conquest of Taiwanese islands, but I don't think the contemporary Communist government of China can make the same claim. I mean their claim over Taiwan isn't exactly legitimate, and if they can't legitimately claim Taiwan then they can't legitimately claim islands which only may be Taiwanese either.
I find these land disputes fascinating. So I'm open to getting the historical claims right. So educate away if you have some nuance that would help!
Only weak ass countries like Singapore and Malaysia bring the dispute to "International courts"
Hey, sorry that singapore only has 5 million in population.
Anyone who has diplomatic relations with the PRC agrees that Taiwan is part of the PRC.Yeah, they may not. It just seems to me (from what little I know about it) that China has no claim. Taiwan might have a claim that it had suzerainty over the islands prior to Japanese conquest of Taiwanese islands, but I don't think the contemporary Communist government of China can make the same claim. I mean their claim over Taiwan isn't exactly legitimate, and if they can't legitimately claim Taiwan then they can't legitimately claim islands which only may be Taiwanese either.
I find these land disputes fascinating. So I'm open to getting the historical claims right. So educate away if you have some nuance that would help!
The only FURY Chinese people will send, will be towards their own citizens. In forms such as destroying Chinese citizen's Japan made cars, burning down Chinese owned Ramen shops.
Anyone who has diplomatic relations with the PRC agrees that Taiwan is part of the PRC.
Anyone who has diplomatic relations with Taiwan (Republic of China) agrees that Mainland China is part of Taiwan (Republic of China).
Both China and Taiwan formally agree that "there is one China and Taiwan is a part of China."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy
The Qing Dynasty ceded Hong Kong to the UK in 1842 (before Japan's supposed takeover of the islands in 1895). Why did the UK handover Hong Kong to the PRC in 1997? By your logic, the UK can only hand over the land to the Qing dynasty.
The Qing Dynasty ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1895. Why was Taiwan handed over to the Republic of China in 1951? By your logic, Japan can only hand over the land to the Qing Dynasty.
I am heading to China tomorrow with a group of Japanese people, wish us luck and safety
Haha are you going with Toyota's CEO?
Wow...just crazy, do people even know what the islands are? I looked at pictures and they look almost uninhabitable, like some rocks sticking out of the ocean rather than "islands"
Why can't we just all get along...
I probably have less to worry about than any Japanese person over there, but I will probably not be out and about just to be on the safe side.
I hope not, considering some Chinese burned a Toyota factory to the fucking ground.
And with Korea and with Russia too then.
It ain't happening. It's just a lot of dick waving.
The whole Taiwan = China = Taiwan is in many ways a nationalistic fiction. "Mainland China" has no legal authority in Taiwan. Furthermore, the only way they could assert legal authority would be by waging war. True, the majority of the international community does not recognise Taiwan, but it still doesn't change the fact the Communist government in China has no police power (the power to enforce law) in Taiwan. Anyway, I'm not saying the "One China" thing is totally fictitious, just that it doesn't fully represent reality for the two territories, and so the point of control over the islands, if "China" has a legitimate claim, is arguable.
Also, that's not really my point.....
Regardless, of the status between the PRC and RoC my analysis is pretty straightforward. First, can China prove that it both actually claimed sovereignty and was in possession of the islands prior to Japan claiming them in the 1890s? IMO, a Ming Dynasty map claiming them probably isn't strong enough. There would need to be evidence of constant assertion of right and attempt to enforce that right. If China can't prove this then it seems that they should more accurately be considered unclaimed islands, and Japan should have legal right over them (they can't go back to China if China never had them to begin with). If China can prove that the islands were originally theirs, and that Japan took them in violation of their sovereign rights, then they should have been ceded to China following WW2. Then, of course, if they should have been ceded to China, you get into the whole China/Taiwan thing (like I said in the first paragraph that's at least arguable, and I don't think worth the effort for this topic).
That the King's claims amounted merely to pretensions is clear, for he had no permanent contact with the country, he was exercising no authority there. The claims, however, were not disputed. No other Power was putting forward any claim to territorial sovereignty in Greenland, and in the absence of any competing claim the King's pretensions to be the sovereign of Greenland subsisted.