It's hardly bullshit though. In a perfect world people would only import games they couldn't get in their own regions. But people abuse region free gaming to buy cheap games from overseas. It undermines local industry and gives a false impression of sales in the imported-to and exported-from regions.
It's a common sense practice and a sound business practice.
Plus it cost very little to buy a freeloader if you're someone who wants those unique foreign imports
And I pointed such industry problems out in the thread. But Nintendo doing it still makes Nintendo responsible. That's the point. And Nintendo, moreso than many other publishers, has a shameful history of localising exclusively for one region. And I'm not talking about obscure Japanese games that never get translated. Numerous first party titles are exclusive to the US and EU, usually smaller, niche games a specific region has designated as unprofitable.
Someone who is buying a Wii U, a video game system, is doing so predominantly to invest in future software from Nintendo. When Nintendo themselves have proven to be one of the most unreliable publishers in the world when it comes to global releases, then the concern and disappointment at region locking, obvious it may be, is entirely warranted, even if they're not the only culprit in the situation.
Pretty sure the devs themselves confirmed 30fps in the last thread.
And how many Nintendo fans bitched and moaned to no end before NOA buckled under the pressure to localise Xenoblade and The Last Story to the US, when it seemed EU was the only region getting the games? How many people, right here on GAF, who owned and played a Wii, finally bit the bullet and homebrew'd just so they could play them?
Just because it's not a problem to you and/or you don't care does not mean it is not a valid concern and problem for others.
nintendo already showed us their hitler side with the 3DS, so this was to be expected. very sad for gamers with broad taste.
Nintendo should really consider localizing every 1st Party published title to all regions this would truly justify the business stance on locking regions to me so if people are upset over poor localization that is one thing I support.
I've already posted that people should start another Rainfall early and not wait for the title just let it be heard now that you want things localized
the drama without finding sensible solutions as a community is a waste of energy
I take it Nintendo doesn't manufacture the Wii U in China, where it is the cheapest to make, but manufactures it locally to support the neighbouring industries.
Why should only big companies be able to take advantage globalization, but not consumers?
It's hardly bullshit though. In a perfect world people would only import games they couldn't get in their own regions. But people abuse region free gaming to buy cheap games from overseas. It undermines local industry and gives a false impression of sales in the imported-to and exported-from regions.
It's a common sense practice and a sound business practice.
Plus it cost very little to buy a freeloader if you're someone who wants those unique foreign imports
If they want a Nintendo game that is only announced for japan, then yes they can get mad. Right now, there is only a reason to get sligthly concerned.
But in the thread they get mad about this as a "Nintendo beiing Nintendo"- thingie.
It is a problem to me I'd rather have it region free too. It doesnt mean I wasnt expecting it to be locked though. Im not finna get a tantrum cause of it. Probably half of the people in the thread have no intentions of buying the thing regardless if it was.And how many Nintendo fans bitched and moaned to no end before NOA buckled under the pressure to localise Xenoblade and The Last Story to the US, when it seemed EU was the only region getting the games? How many people, right here on GAF, who owned and played a Wii, finally bit the bullet and homebrew'd just so they could play them?
Just because it's not a problem to you and/or you don't care does not mean it is not a valid concern and problem for others.
EatChildren said:Pretty sure the devs themselves confirmed 30fps in the last thread.
consumers only hurt themselves in the long run... you guys are only thinking of yourselves here this is the issue. You don't really think of companies as a group of people who work and get paid by what they are selling to you.
importing does hurt your local industry no Nintendo in Japan but the publisher in your area that is paying to have the game in your language
I think most of you people would rather say massive layoffs just to save a buck but point at the big rich companies and play the victim
I don't support piracy and I am not cheap I pay for what I enjoy and ignore what I don't like
this is the choice we should all make if you are mad at Nintendo stop buying someday they will look at the spreadsheets and see that JOE is not buying from us anymore
I ditched MS last February for a vita. I ditched my vita for a preorder towards the Wii U. I'm done with MS consoles. I'll stick to their software only thanks. Just got a confirmation email confirming my cancellation of Gold Membership.I'm going to need to stay in Nintendo-centric threads for a few days until I cool down.
I'm likely to explode at anyone trying to defend the fucking terrible business practices of MS.
And the point is Nintendo is heinously unreliable when it comes to localisation. Every generation that passes they fund and publish titles locked to regions, and it's impossible to predict what those games would be. This generation Disaster: Day of Crisis, Another Code: R, Excitebots, and Fatal Frame IV were all locked to regions (the latter never even translated, the only Fatal Frame game ever to be exclusive to Japan, ironically after Nintendo became interested in the franchise).
If Nintendo were known for consistent localisation of their own games, great! This would be less of an issue. But they're not. Buying a Wii U, I'm literally risking the chance that Nintendo will fund and publish games I will never be able to play. That is not an appealing situation, specifically because I am someone who is a big fan.
Yes, epic yarn on dolphin. Orgasm for my eyes.we both are. btw: any epic yarn like pc games out there?
This is ridiculous - if I'm importing a game, I don't care whether it is localized in my language or not. And considering big companies are best at exploiting globalization (Nintendo included, or did I miss my local Wii U factory?) I don't see why big businesses should be allowed to get away with artificially restricting markets against our interests.
But in the end, it's not that big of a deal to me. I'm getting a Wii U anyways. Just philosophically, I don't feel like the argument of "hurting the local games business" does have much merit in the face of companies doing the same on a much grander scale.
It's hardly bullshit though. In a perfect world people would only import games they couldn't get in their own regions. But people abuse region free gaming to buy cheap games from overseas. It undermines local industry and gives a false impression of sales in the imported-to and exported-from regions.
But people abuse region free gaming to buy cheap games from overseas.
:lol I love that it's "abuse" if somebody buys a product somewhere else for cheaper but it's a-okay for a multinational corporation to manufacture their product somewhere else for cheaper.
Pro-tip: Globalisation works both ways.
JJConrad, I don't suppose Pikmin 3 head the GamePad control option available to try?
Umm, US guys will be able to video chat with Hawaii and other US citizens that take their Wii Us overseas. Me in NZ can video chat with Aussie, Europe and the UK
Has Nintendo ever commented on the amount of friends you could possibly have on one account?
Umm, US guys will be able to video chat with Hawaii and other US citizens that take their Wii Us overseas. Me in NZ can video chat with Aussie, Europe and the UK
It's hardly bullshit though. In a perfect world people would only import games they couldn't get in their own regions. But people abuse region free gaming to buy cheap games from overseas. It undermines local industry and gives a false impression of sales in the imported-to and exported-from regions.
It's a common sense practice and a sound business practice.
Plus it cost very little to buy a freeloader if you're someone who wants those unique foreign imports
It is bullshit though because I'm the one paying for this system. I'm investing in this hardware. I'm paying for this software, that is supposed to validate my hardware purchase, and support the company that made both. Making sense in the world of business is irrelevant, because the world of business doesn't (and never has) give a shit about appeasing consumers and doing the right thing beyond maximising profit margins and controlling the market. It is, after all, an industry. It is business.
And the point is Nintendo is heinously unreliable when it comes to localisation. Every generation that passes they fund and publish titles locked to regions, and it's impossible to predict what those games would be. This generation Disaster: Day of Crisis, Another Code: R, Excitebots, and Fatal Frame IV were all locked to regions (the latter never even translated, the only Fatal Frame game ever to be exclusive to Japan, ironically after Nintendo became interested in the franchise).
If Nintendo were known for consistent localisation of their own games, great! This would be less of an issue. But they're not. Buying a Wii U, I'm literally risking the chance that Nintendo will fund and publish games I will never be able to play. That is not an appealing situation, specifically because I am someone who is a big fan.
They should charge reasonable prices for games in different regions if they don't want this to happen. Refusing to pay extortionist fees for living in a country other than USA is not morally wrong like you are making it out to be. As a consumer I will continue to think of myself, if businesses want my money they need to stay competitive and attract me into buying their product.
:lol I love that it's "abuse" if somebody buys a product somewhere else for cheaper but it's a-okay for a multinational corporation to manufacture their product somewhere else for cheaper.
Pro-tip: Globalisation works both ways.
this is utter nonsense. 'necessary' is way too strong a word to use here. there is no way that it is necessary. Microsoft do not require that games be region locked on their systems. Sony do not have region locks on their system. are they just stupid? why should i accept a 'hard truth' when we are talking about an anti consumer business practice that isn't followed by all the major players?As much as it might suck, it's necessary to safeguard local business/industry. I'm not saying it's morally wrong to import games, I'm saying people need to understand its a perfectly acceptable business solution.
Not agreeing with how a publicly traded company should operate doesn't make their decisions bullshit. It's just a hard truth.
it's nothing about entitlements. it's an anti consumer business practice which will continue if consumers do nothing about it.Yes Nintendo take advantage of it too, if they didn't, we'd all be paying twice as much to buy the product in the first place
For the record I personally support region free gaming. I live in the UK and regularly get screwed by dodgy US>EUR>GBP fx rates. But I don't pretend I'm entitled to it because I knowingly bought a product which doesn't support it.
Isn't this balanced by the income per person?As much as it might suck, it's necessary to safeguard local business/industry. I'm not saying it's morally wrong to import games, I'm saying people need to understand its a perfectly acceptable business solution (edit: to safeguard against it)
Not agreeing with how a publicly traded company should operate doesn't make their decisions bullshit. It's just a hard truth.
Yes Nintendo take advantage of it too, if they didn't, we'd all be paying twice as much to buy the product in the first place
For the record I personally support region free gaming.
I live in the UK and regularly get screwed by dodgy US>EUR>GBP fx rates. But I don't pretend I'm entitled to it because I knowingly bought a product which doesn't support it.
this is utter nonsense. 'necessary' is way too strong a word to use here. there is no way that it is necessary. Microsoft do not require that games be region locked on their systems. Sony do not have region locks on their system. are they just stupid?
it's nothing about entitlements. it's an anti consumer business practice which will continue if consumers do nothing about it.
Isn't this balanced by the income per person?
Australia has higher prices but people earn more money if you compare it to other countries.
I know if I go to Switzerland I have to pay 2,00 for an ice, here in Munich I pay 1 , and that's the most expensive town in Germany.
this is utter nonsense. 'necessary' is way too strong a word to use here. there is no way that it is necessary. Microsoft do not require that games be region locked on their systems. Sony do not have region locks on their system. are they just stupid? why should i accept a 'hard truth' when we are talking about an anti consumer business practice that isn't followed by all the major players?
it's nothing about entitlements. it's an anti consumer business practice which will continue if consumers do nothing about it.
True.If only it were.
To give you an idea, a US Wii U basic pack would cost £188 if all were right with the world. It costs £259.
Now unless UK residents earn 37% more than US residents - this ain't cool.
When people raise MS/SONY not doing this all I can think about is Nintendo begging 3rd Parties to publish titles on their hardware unlike the Twin Titans who seem to have the core on lock Nintendo has to offer publishers more while SONY/MS can be more laxed and give the core whatever they want even if it means they have to shutdown a few developers per cycle to do so and lose billions.
Nintendo is not a company you can point at and say they should be doing as SONY or Microsoft. They are a one trick pony with an old paper playing card business as its roots. Not the same thing. Sorry they just get a pass from me when they have to do dumb shit like less powerful hardware and pissing fans off for region locking.
True.
And seems that UK & Germany are behind USA. ^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Haha. ^^Makes you feel warm and cosy, huh
^That's the benefit of being shat on
If only it were.
To give you an idea, a Wii U basic pack would cost £188 if all were right with the world ($299). It costs £259.
Now unless UK residents earn 37% more than US residents - this ain't cool.
True.
And seems that UK & Germany are behind USA. ^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Agreed. Shitty, but needs must.
Makes you feel warm and cosy, huh
^That's the benefit of being shat on
Don't forget that advertised prices in the US don't include local taxes (as they vary wildly from town to town), while European prices always include sales taxes.
Other metrics like income equality are more relevant to product prices in relation to the typical income than GDP.
I thought Nintendo was not allowed to set hardware prices in EU or something?
Don't forget that advertised prices in the US don't include local taxes (as they vary wildly from town to town), while European prices always include sales taxes.
I don't mind that this doesn't bother people. I just don't see how you can argue that it's 'necessary'. Keep insisting that Nintendo would have to shutdown developers or potentially lose billions all you want, I've seen no evidence for it. The DS was region free and made Nintendo billions... so... necessary? I'm still not seeing it.
I think that even with shipping fees, tax, and customs fees, I'd be able to buy a Wii U Deluxe for the same price (from USA) it would cost me to get a Wii U Basic in a local store.
Now getting a Wii U Basic from USA, would save me A LOT even with shipping fees, tax, and customs fees.
Its the Bullshit markup that annoys me.... (aka retail profits)...
I see no reason for them not to take the Xbox middleground of leaving it up to the publishers if indeed it is just pressure from publishers.Don't read me wrong... I was only stating from this gen that Sony / MS both have purchased and later shutdown devs and blew billions to give core gamers the high end experiences.
No Nintendo could be Region Free and none of shutting down stuff would happen the only money loss is local 3rd Party publishers and truth be told I cannot believe there is so many importers that would cost so much. I don't see region lock as necessary but Nintendo offering Publishers what they ask for Necessary (region locks in this case) more so than SONY/MS who do not seem to hurt as much if they are lossing profit as much because gaming is tie in to other parts of a major company that has many things to sell outside of gaming.
If Region Free is not a selling point to publishers there is no reason to have it. Nintendo could very well be doing this because they hate us fans
if your TV accepts 1080p via component cables, then it should yes.Quick question, I have a Wii component cable and I understand that these will work on Wii U.
Will these component cables display upto 1080p?
Quick question, I have a Wii component cable and I understand that these will work on Wii U.
Will these component cables display upto 1080p?
They obviously set the prices of their own hardware, but considering they were fined for price-fixing by the EU a few years ago Nintendo doesn't recommend a retail sales prices to alleviate any suspicions of price-fixing.
I see no reason for them not to take the Xbox middleground of leaving it up to the publishers if indeed it is just pressure from publishers.
if your TV accepts 1080p via component cables, then it should yes.
I think that even with shipping fees, tax, and customs fees, I'd be able to buy a Wii U Deluxe for the same price (from USA) it would cost me to get a Wii U Basic in a local store.
Now getting a Wii U Basic from USA, would save me A LOT even with shipping fees, tax, and customs fees.
Its the Bullshit markup that annoys me.... (aka retail profits)...
Isn't this balanced by the income per person?
Australia has higher prices but people earn more money if you compare it to other countries.
I know if I go to Switzerland I have to pay 2,00 € for an ice, here in Munich I pay 1 €, and that's the most expensive town in Germany.
Quick question, I have a Wii component cable and I understand that these will work on Wii U.
Will these component cables display upto 1080p?
Quick question, I have a Wii component cable and I understand that these will work on Wii U.
Will these component cables display upto 1080p?
WiiU comes with an HDMI cable in the box. So, if your TV has a HDMI slot then you're good to go. Not quite sure about displaying upto 1080p with component cables though...
if your TV accepts 1080p via component cables, then it should yes.
Yes my tv has three, two are already taken so I would prefer using the component inputs.
Got a pretty new TV so I guess it will.
Component inputs are analog, you will inevitably experience degraded picture quality using Component compared to an all-digital connector like HDMI. Using analog is a bad idea. If your TV has a DVI-connector (which it likely has), you are better off buying an HDMI-DVI cable (like this cheap AmazonBasics one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TH7T2U/?tag=neogaf0e-20)