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[Dreams-Visions]

when does the 920 hit stores again?

 

[dark10x]

I think the biggest selling point is the screen size. Coupled with the actual blacks as oppose to greys (comparatively) of the 5, vids just look much better. Using the YouTube app the vids are much bigger and more detailed on the S3. Loaded N***as in Paris Live and for some reason it was letterboxed on the 5 and full screen on the S3.

Hmm, that's tough. I MUCH prefer OLED to LCD but the S3 uses a Pentile matrix which hurts the image quality. The PS Vita had a much nicer screen, but of course, it's not a phone.

I definitely believe OLED is the future and I'm amazed that Apple continues to stick with LCD. I don't understand it, to be honest.

Has this been posted?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

I'm sure this explains some of why the iPhone 5 feels so great to use. The specs are very good, yes, but those specs are tied to software built specifically for the platform. If the S3 hardware were running a highly optimized OS designed for its internals rather than Android I would bet it would perform even better.

 

[EightBitNate]

One thing you have to admire about Apple is that they tell carrier's to fuck off. No carrier branding, all phones look identical, all get released on the same time only days after the announcement. Samsung is getting the hang of it but all other manufacturer's should tighten up.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

One thing you have to admire about Apple is that they tell carrier's to fuck. No carrier branding, all phones look identical, all get released on the same time only days after the announcement. Samsung is getting the hang of it but all other manufacturer's should tighten up.

that Galaxy Note picture posted earlier says they haven't gotten the hang of a damn thing.

 

[womp]

Shrug those are my impressions from playing around with one for a day. Take a look at the Verge review and tell me how many missed swipes and swipe errors are in the video. Plenty is the answer if I remember correctly.

I've owned mine for a month. No, just....no. If anything once you drop into developer settings and plop the animation options to .5, the thing is even more touchy.

 

[zedge]

Hmm, that's tough. I MUCH prefer OLED to LCD but the S3 uses a Pentile matrix which hurts the image quality. The PS Vita had a much nicer screen, but of course, it's not a phone.

I definitely believe OLED is the future and I'm amazed that Apple continues to stick with LCD. I don't understand it, to be honest.


I'm sure this explains some of why the iPhone 5 feels so great to use. The specs are very good, yes, but those specs are tied to software built specifically for the platform. If the S3 hardware were running a highly optimized OS designed for its internals rather than Android I would bet it would perform even better.

On an HD screen I don't see how pentile is an issue. The S3 and Gnex are basically the same screen but the S3 looks so much better. They must be improving it.

 

[dark10x]

On an HD screen I don't see how pentile is an issue. The S3 and Gnex are basically the same screen but the S3 looks so much better. They must be improving it.

It does look good but not Vita good.

 

[poppabk]

Why do people care so much about marginal screen quality differences on phones that are smeared with gunk regularly through normal use. Other than general visibility issues, bright light visibility, resolution etc I don't really care that much.

 

[kinggroin]

I definitely believe OLED is the future and I'm amazed that Apple continues to stick with LCD. I don't understand it, to be honest.

Battery would suffer. Especially with the ios ui color scheme.

 

[nib95]

Honestly pentile on the S3 is a non issue. You can't see pixels unless you have your face right up against it pixel peeping. But because the screen is quite large you actually find you hold it further away than most phones. My main negative of the screen was black crush, and whilst it's still there, they must have fixed or improved it with software or something because things are much better than at launch. I don't notice black crush now where as it was obvious before.

A developer did say it was purely a software issue and not related to hardware so maybe Samsung paid attention.

 

[VanWinkle]

Man, I was taking pictures with the S3 to see low-light performance, which, all things considered, is decent for a smartphone camera, but it made me realize how those of us that are fairly serious about photography still very much have reason to own a DSLR. Here's a comparison with my fairly low-end Pentax DSLR, and with a kit lens on it no less. I'd love to try a Lumia 920, though, to check it out.

 

[nib95]

Man, I was taking pictures with the S3 to see low-light performance, which, all things considered, is decent for a smartphone camera, but it made me realize how those of us that are fairly serious about photography still very much have reason to own a DSLR. Here's a comparison with my fairly low-end Pentax DSLR, and with a kit lens on it no less. I'd love to try a Lumia 920, though, to check it out.

Use HDR mode. Brightens things up, sometimes substantially. Or there's night mode (brighter than the eye can see generally), but at the expense of a slower shutter.

 

[VanWinkle]

Use HDR mode. Brightens things up, sometimes substantially. Or there's night mode (brighter than the eye can see generally), but at the expense of a slower shutter.

The HDR did help a bit, but there was still a massive divide. I hate night mode personally, since it's too hard to get a usable shot with the slow shutter.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Why do people care so much about marginal screen quality differences on phones that are smeared with gunk regularly through normal use. Other than general visibility issues, bright light visibility, resolution etc I don't really care that much.

Some of us don't have nasty ass hands

 

[nib95]

The HDR did help a bit, but there was still a massive divide. I hate night mode personally, since it's too hard to get a usable shot with the slow shutter.

I think a software update should allow full manual controls. You can see in your comparison the DSLR shot has a far lower aperture and shallower depth of field. The S3 goes down to what, 2.4 or 2.6? At that sort of aperture you'd bring in a lot more light, but it seems to be defaulting to higher, or at least it seems that way with the focus range.

I'd love to have the option to play around with depth of field a bit.

 

[RoadHazard]

Use HDR mode. Brightens things up, sometimes substantially. Or there's night mode (brighter than the eye can see generally), but at the expense of a slower shutter.

I have never been able to take a decent photo using night mode on a phone nor on a digital camera. They always come out blurry as all hell. You need a damn tripod for that, and I don't know anyone who carries one around for their phone.

 

[VanWinkle]

I think a software update should allow full manual controls. You can see in your comparison the DSLR shot has a far lower aperture and shallower depth of field. The S3 goes down to what, 2.4 or 2.6? At that sort of aperture you'd bring in a lot more light, but it seems to be defaulting to higher, or at least it seems that way with the focus range.

I'd love to have the option to play around with depth of field a bit.

Oh, totally. Would love to see manual focus, exposure, etc. I can't remember what aperture I was at on my DSLR, but it was like 4 or something, and yet the clarity was far superior, and, as you said, it even had a much shallower depth of field. The f2.8 lens on the S3 may technically be bringing in more light, but the insanely smaller sensor is bringing is far less data, so the point is kind of moot. Cameras on smartphones are definitely getting better (and I feel like my S3 could replace the majority of point and shoots), but they still have a long way to go to make DSLRs obsolete - even the lower end ones like my Pentax Kx.

 

[M_A_C]

Just had an epic iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 comparathon with all my cousins etc present. Pretty much a unanimous win for the S3, but the weirdest thing was I was there defending the iPhone 5.

I think the biggest selling point is the screen size. Coupled with the actual blacks as oppose to greys (comparatively) of the 5, vids just look much better. Using the YouTube app the vids are much bigger and more detailed on the S3. Loaded N***as in Paris Live and for some reason it was letterboxed on the 5 and full screen on the S3.

Video loading speed was much quicker on the S3, with the 5 stalling a lot.

Crunchyroll vids looked better on the S3, I think they may have been direct flash vs iPhone specific.

Speaker wise I think the 5 is ever so slightly louder, but I expected it to be much louder. With both on at max volume, you can't really hear one especially over the other. It's close, at least it was in our already fairly noisy environment.

Camera quality wise, the 5 is a bit brighter in low light, and might be a touch less noisy too, but the S3 shots seem a tad more detailed. 5 was a touch softer in low light.

Video quality (again low light only) S3 seemed better. Slightly less bright but far more detailed and better much wider angle. Both seem smooth.

Both mess up on white balance camera vid wise. The 5 is too saturated and warm, the S3 too cool and less colourful.

Panorama overall was better on S3. With the 5 you're stuck with portrait, S3 you have landscape too. Again, S3 is slightly darker but seemed to pick up more detail. Both stitched really well.

Web wise, S3 was only on ICS and I think the 5 was marginally quicker, both being very quick. S3 showed more info, but whites were less bright, with blacks superior. 5 had more accurate whites but less accurate blacks.

We only tested one other app, auto rap, and I think it processed faster on the S3, but I fully expect it to be a software update thing for the 5.

In the time we used both phones, the S3 used about 4% less of its battery. Both lost little. Was not really a valid battery comparison.

I think the video at the same time as Web browsing thing was an impressive feature of the S3, as was smart stay which seemed to help. Main thing was that media just seemed more impressive on the bigger and what looked to be more detailed screen (at least with the media we played).

I think both are amazing though, but my pick will remain the S3. I expected more from the 5's camera and speakers tbh, but it might just be the conditions.

Good impressions, thanks. I really wish that the 5 had made the screen bigger and more badass. I would not have to think of switching if that were the case.

 

[kehs]

So voxpop, does the jb update bring your nexus on par with an iPod classic?

 

[nib95]

Gizmodo camera face off. Low light results pretty much mimic my impressions from yesterday. Iphone 5 warmer, brighter but softer, S3 cooler, darker but more detailed. Gizmodo found the S3 to be less noisy. I'll do my own tests later to confirm.

http://m.gizmodo.com/5945262/iphone-5-camera-battle-is-it-the-best-smartphone-shooter

 

[Particle Physicist]

Gizmodo camera face off. Low light results pretty much mimic my impressions from yesterday. Iphone 5 warmer, brighter but softer, S3 cooler, darker but more detailed. Gizmodo found the S3 to be less noisy. I'll do my own tests later to confirm.

http://m.gizmodo.com/5945262/iphone-5-camera-battle-is-it-the-best-smartphone-shooter

The 5 looks like it has the edge for daytime shots. The Nokia 808 is a monster though.

 

[dark10x]

Gizmodo camera face off. Low light results pretty much mimic my impressions from yesterday. Iphone 5 warmer, brighter but softer, S3 cooler, darker but more detailed. Gizmodo found the S3 to be less noisy. I'll do my own tests later to confirm.

http://m.gizmodo.com/5945262/iphone-5-camera-battle-is-it-the-best-smartphone-shooter

Dat 808.

Damn, that's one hell of a setup Nokia has going on there. Very impressive.

 

[Radec]

So far ahead in low-light.

This looks impressive though.

 

[JaggedSac]

That 808 is boss. Curious as to how the 920 image quality will be. Low light looks to be best in class, but that is only part of the story.

 

[Psychotext]

This looks impressive though.

So much noise. Looks like a sharpening filter has been thrown on it too.

Like those TV's which are left in shop mode.

 

[nib95]

The 5 looks like it has the edge for daytime shots. The Nokia 808 is a monster though.

I know they said otherwise, but imo the 5 shot is too bright in day light. The S3 is closer to the 808 and S100 with respect to the sky and dynamics, the 5 seems to blow it out a tad.

 

[zedge]

http://scuffgate.net/

Wow. That sucks, kinda makes me appreciate my so called cheap plastic Samsung phone.

There is always so much hate for plastic but its much more durable.

 

[Psychotext]

This vid on it is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OSFKVq36Hgc#!

Sure, it's not particularly real world (maybe consider it accelerated real world), but there's something I love about involving kids in product tests.

Kids aside, the 4s holds up much, much better.

 

[terrdactycalsrock]

http://scuffgate.net/

Wow. That sucks, kinda makes me appreciate my so called cheap plastic Samsung phone.

There is always so much hate for plastic but its much more durable.

Yep, I love the iphone, and Apple products, but for the past two hardware design changes they have had issues. Its frustrating given how awesome the rest of the product is

 

[neojubei]

I know they said otherwise, but imo the 5 shot is too bright in day light. The S3 is closer to the 808 and S100 with respect to the sky and dynamics, the 5 seems to blow it out a tad.

So the iPhone 5 camera in every way isn't good? I like the photos it takes

 

[Magni]

So the iPhone 5 camera in every way isn't good? I like the photos it takes

It's good. But there's better.

 

[nib95]

So the iPhone 5 camera in every way isn't good? I like the photos it takes

Lol, it's not 'not good' at all. It's still a great camera, there's just better. At this level it's really only pixel peeping enthusiasts who are going to notice a difference anyway.

This vid on it is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OSFKVq36Hgc#!

Sure, it's not particularly real world (maybe consider it accelerated real world), but there's something I love about involving kids in product tests.

Kids aside, the 4s holds up much, much better.

I saw a scratch test earlier where the 5 barely got scratched at all. I guess a 3 year old can do more damage than an adult...or he really wasn't scratching that hard lol.

 

[Psychotext]

Lol, it's not 'not good' at all. It's still a great camera, there's just better. At this level it's really only pixel peeping enthusiasts who are going to notice a difference anyway.

I agree with this, but not in low light. I'd be surprised if even average Joe couldn't easily see the difference.

 

[nib95]

I agree with this, but not in low light. I'd be surprised if even average Joe couldn't easily see the difference.

I must admit, the low light performance on the 5 is a bit weak. But if I'm honest, expectedly so. When you try and push 3200 ISO on such a sensor, you're asking for excess noise. Apple claim they improved low light, but it feels like all they did was up the ISO. I don't know, but these days I have to second guess any claim that Apple makes. They talk out of their ass all too often.

 

[Technosteve]

I have to question all this pixel peeping on a camera phone, none of these phones will have good low light performance if they can't increase sensor size.

 

[Psychotext]

I have to question all this pixel peeping on a camera phone, none of these phones will have good low light performance if they can't increase sensor size.

Well... they can, just as soon as they realise that there's really very little point in making them any thinner.

 

[Technosteve]

Well... they can, just as soon as they realise that there's really very little point in making them any thinner.

Or the screen five to six inches

 

[Psychotext]

Well... I don't really see that getting any bigger, but sure, that too.

 

[Emily Chu]

Well... I don't really see that getting any bigger, but sure, that too.

personally I think it'll finally top out at a 7" bezel less thinner then razor phone @ 1080p and up

talking 2015-2016 octo core cpu 8 GB ram, 1TB storage SSD/flash memory
higher then 1080p

and windows 9-10 will be a mobile OS, a tablet OS and a desktop/laptop OS

it will be a full fledge multi role OS that allows you to run the same programs as you do on a traditional laptop computer but spread across all devices in the same fashion

it will all run the same EXEs

convergence

 

[Emily Chu]

 

[Chinner]

i think there are lots of good phones for everybody and if you like smart phones then there is a competitive scene that provides something for everybody and we should all be happy that we have mad phones

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

And what is your blazing fast Dual Core A6 is used for? Load the grids on your homescreen faster? Given how much Apple's hardware is improving time over time, it's a disgrace that the software doesn't benefit from the hardware, at all.

What I mean is that the extra quad-core power in the Galaxy SIII enables you to go into Picture-in-Picture mode and watch a video and multitask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEk-pS03nc

 

[jonremedy]

i think there are lots of good phones for everybody and if you like smart phones then there is a competitive scene that provides something for everybody and we should all be happy that we have mad phones

Now you are being way too reasonable.

 

[Future]

And what is your blazing fast Dual Core A6 is used for? Load the grids on your homescreen faster? Given how much Apple's hardware is improving time over time, it's a disgrace that the software doesn't benefit from the hardware, at all.

What I mean is that the extra quad-core power in the Galaxy SIII enables you to go into Picture-in-Picture mode and watch a video and multitask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEk-pS03nc

That's awesome.

I'm diggin my iPhone 5 but as a gadget nut this is the first year I am feelin a little jealous of the features of competitors.

 

[numble]

And what is your blazing fast Dual Core A6 is used for? Load the grids on your homescreen faster? Given how much Apple's hardware is improving time over time, it's a disgrace that the software doesn't benefit from the hardware, at all.

What I mean is that the extra quad-core power in the Galaxy SIII enables you to go into Picture-in-Picture mode and watch a video and multitask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEk...l Racing 3 is a good demo of the GPU at work.

 

[Kiraly]

So far ahead in low-light.

Did you read the captions? It says the Nokia captures the colour much better, there is no yellow in that flower whatsoever.

 

[strata8]

SunSpider directly shows you how the software is benefitting from the hardware. It's not a synthetic benchmark of who is better at math, it's about webpage load speeds.

iPhoto is another demonstration of the A6 at work, and Real Racing 3 is a good demo of the GPU at work.

Sunspider and other JavaScript/browser benchmarks are a bit misleading because the scores are affected more by the effectiveness of the software than actual hardware changes.

For example:

iPhone 4S iOS 5: 2250ms
iPhone 4S iOS 6: 1726ms

I'm not saying the CPU in the A6 isn't faster, just not as fast as the browser benchmarks make it out to be.

It'll be interesting to see how the new WP8 phones with Snapdragon S4 perform.

 

[numble]

Sunspider and other JavaScript/browser benchmarks are a bit misleading because the scores are affected more by the effectiveness of the software than actual hardware changes.

For example:

iPhone 4S iOS 5: 2250ms
iPhone 4S iOS 6: 1726ms

I'm not saying the CPU in the A6 isn't faster, just not as fast as the browser benchmarks make it out to be.

It'll be interesting to see how the new WP8 phones with Snapdragon S4 perform.

You can compare the same iOS version across different hardware to see the actual benefits of the improved hardware.

 

[strata8]

You can compare the same iOS version across different hardware to see the actual benefits of the improved hardware.

Yeah, definitely. It's just really inaccurate when you start using it to compare phones that are running different platforms, OS versions, and browsers.

 

[numble]

Yeah, definitely. It's just really inaccurate when you start using it to compare phones that are running different platforms, OS versions, and browsers.

I think comparing the speed of webpage rendering across 2 manufacturers' latest phones running the latest OS available OS is definitely fair.