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[Messypandas]

The person that took that was hot, rich and had a big dick so it was okay.

you forgot he was circumcised and tips a lot

 

[EatinOlives]

No, I mentioned yoga pants, and that's what I'm going off of. Like I said, creeps will be creeps. Women will ALWAYS be targeted, I was just referring to yoga pants and leggings which people like to wear as normal pants.

And you don't think taking pictures of dat ass is perpetuating the bolded statement in any way?

 

[Half and half]

wtf is this shit?

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Let's talk about "creepshots"

...and the people that make posts about them.

 

[ThisWreckage]

It's perverted, but if a woman isn't ashamed of wearing something in public then she shouldn't be ashamed when it is posted on the Internet. There's no way to stop this. It can be deterred, or discouraged, but this is going to continue.

 

[phosphor112]

I'm going to say this as nice as I can: this reeks of the classic victim-blaming mindset/scenarios.

perhaps a nice burqa

Oooo, bolding and all! I included the pics because I expected (which was true) that many people didn't know what 'creepshots' were before now. I sure as hell didn't know it was a thing or what it was, and neither did a lot of people.

But sure, try to turn the tides away from your generalizations as being opinions that can be disagreed with rather than just plain wrong. You've had multiple women in this thread say the exact opposite of what you had lied out to be your preconceptions of how all women think..


Dude, you're accusing anyone who is wearing yoga pants to have had it coming to them. That's pretty much the same exact argument used for rape victim blaming. I don't think you realize how ridiculous you sound that woman can't be allowed to wear any type of yoga pants, and if they do, they should expect to be barraged with creepers. smh

Look, rapers will rape, thieves will steal, murderers will kill. I don't expect them to wear a burkah, I don't expect a woman to wear one of those vagina dick traps, I don't expect you to have your wallet or purse chained to you, it's impractical. What I do expect is basic personal care. If you don't want people looking at your butt, don't flaunt it. If you don't want people seeing how rich you are, don't flaunt it, if you don't people want to kill you, don't where crip colors in blood territory. What is wrong with taking care of yourself? I'm not putting the blame on the victim. I'm not GOING to put blame on the victim, but making yourself vulnerable creates an opening for someone to take advantage of it.

What's so hard to understand?

 

[SteveWinwood]

you forgot he was circumcised and tips a lot

Those 5 qualities describe me to a tee.

I should take these pictures and women will enjoy it.

 

[dinazimmerman]

women like wearing sexy clothes, i.e. clothes that accentuates their fertility signals, but don't like voyeurs because they are probably losers with low quality genes and thus probably dangerous because they might be driven out of desperation to rape. in other words, voyeurs are creepy. a voyeur might be handsome, but the fact that he's a voyeur is a more reliable signal of gene quality than his facial features. this is a fundamental tension women face. they want to signal their fertility, but if they signal it to the wrong guy, they might get raped. in modern times, we want to live in a world in which women can be free to signal their fertility without worrying about rape. in such a world, creepshots are at the very least discouraged.

 

[Dude Abides]

Look, rapers will rape, thieves will steal, murderers will kill. I don't expect them to wear a burkah, I don't expect a woman to wear one of those vagina dick traps, I don't expect you to have your wallet or purse chained to you, it's impractical. What I do expect is basic personal care. If you don't want people looking at your butt, don't flaunt it. If you don't want people seeing how rich you are, don't flaunt it, if you don't people want to kill you, don't where crip colors in blood territory. What is wrong with taking care of yourself? I'm not putting the blame on the victim. I'm not GOING to put blame on the victim, but making yourself vulnerable creates an opening for someone to take advantage of it.

What's so hard to understand?

Do you tell your wife not to wear foreign-looking clothes or a hijab since she's been harassed?

 

[Carlisle]

This has been a pretty big epidemic in Japan for years. Surprised it took this long to get much attention in the US. That's why phones and cameras in Japan have a loud snapshot sound that can't be turned off. A pretty good deterrent I think. Even DSi and 3DS systems in the US retain that function.

 

[jmdajr]

This has been a pretty big epidemic in Japan for years. Surprised it took this long to get much attention in the US. That's why phones and cameras in Japan have a loud snapshot sound that can't be turned off. A pretty good deterrent I think. Even DSi and 3DS systems in the US retain that function.

Damm, no ninja creeper mode in Japan. I bet they hack it!

 

[phosphor112]

Do you tell your wife not to wear foreign-looking clothes or a hijab since she's been harassed?

In fact? Yes. I have. But racists will be racists. I don't even look Arab and I still get racist comments all the time.

But you know what? She's not embarrassed of people taking picture of her, and she's proud of who she is, so it doesn't bother her. If it does, I'm sure she'd change something.

 

[jmdajr]

Do you tell your wife not to wear foreign-looking clothes or a hijab since she's been harassed?

I make my wife wear a moo moo.

 

[Byakuya769]

In fact? Yes. I have. But racists will be racists. I don't even look Arab and I still get racist comments all the time.

But you know what? She's not embarrassed of people taking picture of her, and she's proud of who she is, so it doesn't bother her. If it does, I'm sure she'd change something.

Can you post a picture of your wife so I can objectify her? You don't need her permission.

 

[Evolution_1ne]

The first time I ever really touched a butt was the day after 9/11. I had a Persian girlfriend. (We were 13 so that meant we talked on the phone lots) anyway on 9/11 her mom wouldn't let her go out after school because she was afraid someone would like do a hate crime all up on her. So I talked to her on the phone wile I had people over to watch CNN (via MTV of coruse) the. The next day I walked her home and her two girlfriends were walking like two paces behind us and they said "grab her butt!" I got a palm full of that booty. A palm full. She was flexing. Nothing but booty.

I think that girl is like a diplomat or someone with a blackberry now.


We actually still are pretty good friends. Just retread that post and felt like a monster.

ahhh this fucking site man, Im at work in tears lmao!!

 

[phosphor112]

How about you edit the pictures out of your OP. If it is wrong why contribute to it?

I haven't posted any images taken of womens butts against their will or knowledge - in fact I have stated that I think it is creepy. You, on the other hand, have posted such exact pictures.

He's the same guy that made the thread about some woman exposing her butt to him...

He must be some ass magnet or something.

 

[shinobi602]

Can you post a picture of your wife so I can objectify her? You don't need her permission.

Completely irrelevant to the argument at hand.

 

[phosphor112]

Can you post a picture of your wife so I can objectify her? You don't need her permission.

Ok, get your shit straight son.

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

Need that one more time?

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

How about another.

I never said it was ok to take voyeuristic pictures.

 

[Byakuya769]

What's the harm? She doesn't wear anything she'd be ashamed to be seen in.

 

[JohnDoe]

I love how so many men think girls wear yoga pants for their attention. Nice to see how they think everything revolves around them.

 

[shinobi602]

Byakuya769
Modern Day Douchebag
(Today, 12:17 PM)

 

[Jake McLargeHuge]

What's the harm? She doesn't wear anything she'd be ashamed to be seen in.

Maybe because he doesn't consider himself a creep.

 

[nib95]

Bit creepy and perverse to be honest. Look, sure, but to actually take a secret snap? No...

 

[jmdajr]

I love how so many men think girls wear yoga pants for their attention. Nice to see how they think everything revolves around them.

They wear them because its a fashion trend.

 

[depths20XX]

I love how so many men think girls wear yoga pants for their attention. Nice to see how they think everything revolves around them.

They wear them because they have nice butts.

 

[Dude Abides]

In fact? Yes. I have. But racists will be racists. I don't even look Arab and I still get racist comments all the time.

But you know what? She's not embarrassed of people taking picture of her, and she's proud of who she is, so it doesn't bother her. If it does, I'm sure she'd change something.

I'm not talking about taking pictures. I'm talking about whether your wife takes personal care to ensure she won't be harassed for being Muslim. Sounds like the answer is no.

 

[Byakuya769]

Maybe because he doesn't consider himself a creep.

What's creepy about it? Isn't he arguing about what women should and shouldn't wear based on external reactions? His wife wears things she wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in, so if I objectified her despite her modesty he has to tell her to change clothes despite her comfort. Right?

I'm not talking about taking pictures. I'm talking about whether your wife takes personal care to ensure she won't be harassed for being Muslim. Sounds like the answer is no.

 

[dinazimmerman]

They wear them because its a fashion trend.

but they became a fashion trend because they accentuated fashionable women's butts.

 

[noah111]

Completely irrelevant to the argument at hand.

How so? "if she was embarrassed of people taking pictures of her i'm sure she'd change something" implies there's nothing wrong with having pics taken of her and thus no issue having them online/being objectified. Not irrelevant in the slightest.

Is byakuya pushing it a bit? Probably. Still, to say 'completely irrelevant' makes it seem like you've been asleep at the wheel or something.

 

[Seanspeed]

women like wearing sexy clothes, i.e. clothes that accentuates their fertility signals, but don't like voyeurs because they are probably losers with low quality genes and thus probably dangerous because they might be driven out of desperation to rape. in other words, voyeurs are creepy. a voyeur might be handsome, but the fact that he's a voyeur is a more reliable signal of gene quality than his facial features. this is a fundamental tension women face. they want to signal their fertility, but if they signal it to the wrong guy, they might get raped. in modern times, we want to live in a world in which women can be free to signal their fertility without worrying about rape. in such a world, creepshots are at the very least discouraged.

I think this sums everything up pretty well.

 

[phosphor112]

What's the harm? She doesn't wear anything she'd be ashamed to be seen in.

Now you're just trolling.

 

[Jak140]

women like wearing sexy clothes, i.e. clothes that accentuates their fertility signals, but don't like voyeurs because they are probably losers with low quality genes and thus probably dangerous because they might be driven out of desperation to rape. in other words, voyeurs are creepy. a voyeur might be handsome, but the fact that he's a voyeur is a more reliable signal of gene quality than his facial features. this is a fundamental tension women face. they want to signal their fertility, but if they signal it to the wrong guy, they might get raped. in modern times, we want to live in a world in which women can be free to signal their fertility without worrying about rape. in such a world, creepshots are at the very least discouraged.

In my mind this post was narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

 

[jmdajr]

but they became a fashion trend because they accentuated fashionable women's butts.

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

In my mind this post was narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

Morgan Freeman, here.

 

[Seep]

Sad and desperate more than creepy.

 

[T.M. MacReady]

I don't approve of whats happening in the OP, but White-Knight Gaf really needs to chill the fuck out. This has been happening forever. Men used to wear mirrors on their shoes to sneak a peek in public. It's never gonna change, it'll just evolve with the times and the tech.

The girls aren't "asking for it" or anything like that, but things like this have been happening forever and women need to be aware and be safe. No amount of criticism or shaming people on a gaming forum is going to change the human nature of some creepy folks.

 

[JohnDoe]

They wear them because its a fashion trend.

Yes.

They wear them because they have nice butts.

I wish I could say yes.

 

[Jake McLargeHuge]

What's creepy about it? Isn't he arguing about what women should and shouldn't wear based on external reactions? His wife wears things she wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in, so if I objectified her despite her modesty he has to tell her to change clothes despite her comfort. Right?

Wait are we still talking about him taking pictures of his wife's ass?

Just because he doesn't want creepers flogged in public, doesn't mean he wants to engage in the same behavior.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I disagree.
All you need to do to take down a picture of yourself is to just contact the website hosting said picture (this applies to both facebook as well as amateur porn websites). That's how things are today, if this law was implemented it'd be more with a deterrent purpose to make the big websites stop these photos rather than involve some sort of removal process.

This is depressingly naive.

So if I break up with some girl, and she demands that every PG photo we have together is taken down from the internet, I would be legally obligated to comply? A teammate on my basketball team has a falling out with the coach, he demands that all team photos with him in it are removed? Think about what you're saying here for a second.

The volume of media is such that no governing body could police all photos before they are uploaded. The criteria for removal is laughably broad.

I'm of the opinion that what is private is private (and you do have the right to protect your image for commercial gain), but once you're out in the public, assumptions of privacy are out the window.

 

[shinobi602]

How so? "if she was embarrassed of people taking pictures of her i'm sure she'd change something" implies there's nothing wrong with having pics taken of her and thus no issue having them online/being objectified. Not irrelevant in the slightest.

Is byakuya pushing it a bit? Probably. Still, to say 'completely irrelevant' makes it seem like you've been asleep at the wheel or something.

Taking pictures is creepy, yes. Yes it should not be done. Still, in my view, yea you're free to wear whatever the hell you want and not expect to be harassed. At the same time, just like you're free to wear what you want, don't complain when guys are checking you out.

Yoga pants are comfortable, ok sure. But they're basically just an outer laying of material over your ass and legs. You can see everything. So again, sure, wear whatever you like, but don't be surprised that it will attract the opposite sex when we can pretty much see your ass just in a different color (though I'm not saying you can take pictures of them randomly without consent).

 

[Byakuya769]

I was never talking about him taking pictures of her ass or anything else. I meant a general picture of her in modest clothes she's comfortable in.

Illustrating that anything can be objectified and receive perverse/adverse reactions. I wanted to see how far he would take his "personal care" creed.

Dude is doing the same thing from a less Modern Day Douchebag angle, I just want to get to the crux of it quicker.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

This is depressingly naive.

So if I break up with some girl, and she demands that every PG photo we have together is taken down from the internet, I would be legally obligated to comply? A teammate on my basketball team has a falling out with the coach, he demands that all team photos with him in it are removed? Think about what you're saying here for a second.

The volume of media is such that no governing body could police all photos before they are uploaded. The criteria for removal is laughably broad.

I'm of the opinion that what is private is private (and you do have the right to protect your image for commercial gain), but once you're out in the public, assumptions of privacy are out the window.

Throw in another exception then, that if you've given consent to have the photo published then you're no longer able to withdraw it.

The main purpose of this hypothetical law would be specifically to target the "creepshots" as shown in the OP, and I'm sure that if you throw in enough special cases one can do so without affecting legit photos.

I'm just throwing out ideas here, not a legislator trying to draft up a law.

 

[Jake McLargeHuge]

I was never talking about him taking pictures of her ass or anything else. I meant a general picture of her in modest clothes she's comfortable in.

Illustrating that anything can be objectified and receive perverse/adverse reactions. I wanted to see how far he would take his "personal care" creed.

Ah gotcha. So your point is everyone has different thresholds of personal responsibility?

After all, we're talking about a sub-reddit that probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the sexualized clothing that some women like to wear these days. Yoga pants/leggings led into dudes getting boners and wanting to share the boner good times with the internet. The pictures of modest clothing comes from a place of voyeurism and will sometimes pop up on the internet outside of a group of fetishists.

Basically, that sub-reddit wouldn't exist if it weren't for that type of clothing and women's privacy is going to be violated considering the technological times we live and there's no discernible way to properly handle it. And considering the harm done, nobody's in a rush to try to fix it.

 

[phosphor112]

I'm not talking about taking pictures. I'm talking about whether your wife takes personal care to ensure she won't be harassed for being Muslim. Sounds like the answer is no.

Why is the answer no? Because she wears a scarf? Or do you think she needs to strip down to the western standard? Eat pork so she won't get questioned why she didn't get the baconator instead of the fish sandwich? To not go to prayer just so people won't ask?

She'll get harassed regardless, just like I do even though I'm "white." In fact, my wife is more "white" than me. She was born of an American family.

I said, creeps will creep. Dicks will be dicks. You can't avoid it completely, but you can safeguard yourself from it to an extent.

 

[J-Rzez]

Damm, no ninja creeper mode in Japan. I bet they hack it!

My friend went over to Japan two years ago and noticed a guy walking up to girls and women in skirts and stand behind them for 2-3 seconds. He then saw him sit down and take a memory card out of his shoe and put a new one in. I didn't believe him, even for some place like Japan, but I can't say it would surprise me.

Sure these pics are creepy, but you can't dismiss that when girls/women wear some of the clothes they do because it makes them hot/sexy/attractive/gain attention, it will attract this kind of attention among other types as well.

 

[jmdajr]

Sometimes its not even creeps shooting the pictures. Girls innocently post pictures up on facebook, and end up elsewhere.

 

[Canis lupus]

Sometimes its not even creeps shooting the pictures. Girls innocently post pictures up on facebook, and end up elsewhere.

Most of the time.

 

[phosphor112]

I don't approve of whats happening in the OP, but White-Knight Gaf really needs to chill the fuck out. This has been happening forever. Men used to wear mirrors on their shoes to sneak a peek in public. It's never gonna change, it'll just evolve with the times and the tech.

The girls aren't "asking for it" or anything like that, but things like this have been happening forever and women need to be aware and be safe. No amount of criticism or shaming people on a gaming forum is going to change the human nature of some creepy folks.

Exactly. People start going crazy if you even suggest they should safe guard themselves.

Why is it logical to lock your car door but when it comes to a woman's body, it's just some crazy foreign idea to have them cover up in the slightest (referring to yoga pants and leggings)?

Sometimes its not even creeps shooting the pictures. Girls innocently post pictures up on facebook, and end up elsewhere.

I wonder what "yoga pants self shot" or "mirror shot" in google yields...

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Look, rapers will rape, thieves will steal, murderers will kill. I don't expect them to wear a burkah, I don't expect a woman to wear one of those vagina dick traps, I don't expect you to have your wallet or purse chained to you, it's impractical. What I do expect is basic personal care. If you don't want people looking at your butt, don't flaunt it. If you don't want people seeing how rich you are, don't flaunt it, if you don't people want to kill you, don't where crip colors in blood territory. What is wrong with taking care of yourself? I'm not putting the blame on the victim. I'm not GOING to put blame on the victim, but making yourself vulnerable creates an opening for someone to take advantage of it.

What's so hard to understand?

Look, there are dangers in going out at certain times or being in certain situations, particularly for women. That doesn't mean we should berate them for not doing those things, because they shouldn't have to. You see the amount of people who have been shot in this country - which one of you wants to be the jackass who says "they should have been wearing a bulletproof vest" or "oh well, they shouldn't have gone out at that time"?

That not only places the blame on the victim, but directly removes freedoms. Women should be able to go out whenever and not take a bunch of ridiculous precautions, as we should be able to go out sans a bulletproof vest. Because now if we restrict women and we restrict people in urban areas because they "should have done" something different, we'll never have any real form of equality. We have to blame the criminals and actively cut down on the crime.

Now to assume the logic is "they can do, this now, then when we fix it, they can go back out." Say it works, and now every woman stays completely safe because they don't trust strangers, wear heavy clothing and stay indoors at all times. Now that they're "safe," how much effort will actually go towards stopping the problem? Now we've made women a second class, and if they ever do get back their freedom, they'd be far behind, again.

There is no solution that is acceptable beyond addressing the rape and the rapist as the issue, period. Blaming women for what they could have/should have done doesn't do anything positive for anyone.

Best post by the Joker, and a fitting response to yours.

 

[pigeon]

Ah gotcha. So your point is everyone has different thresholds of personal responsibility?

After all, we're talking about a sub-reddit that probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the sexualized clothing that some women like to wear these days. Yoga pants/leggings led into dudes getting boners and wanting to share the boner good times with the internet. The pictures of modest clothing comes from a place of voyeurism and will sometimes pop up on the internet outside of a group of fetishists.

Basically, that sub-reddit wouldn't exist if it weren't for that type of clothing and women's privacy is going to be violated considering the technological times we live and there's no discernible way to properly handle it. And considering the harm done, nobody's in a rush to try to fix it.

You live in a fucking fantasy world. If we all wore Victorian clothing, we'd currently be arguing heatedly about r/ankleshots. The problem is the idea that it's acceptable for men to violate women's space and rivalry, and it's valuable to post about how fucked up this is to fight that idea.