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Is GAF too strict?
- Thread starter Kraftwerk
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My mother used to call herself Queen bitch. So women have no problem throwing it around.
Partial Gamification
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All women?
I realize and understand with that. I just don't want to be generalized into a bucket with the actual people who are horrible people, just because some language (which by itself is neutral) has bad connotations to people.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
It's not the 50s anymore, darlin'. *wags finger*
Devolution
Member
It's almost like I've actually been called bitch and threatened a bunch so I don't have a good relationship with it.
TUROK
Member
Are people seriously arguing over whether calling someone a bitch is offensive?
If I'm going to call someone a bitch, it's with the strict intention to offend. Same with douchebag, asshole, or any other brand of insult.
It's not a subconscious or conscious effort to subjugate a "marginalized" group of people, though.
I would certainly hope so.
My mom once watched the Ultimate Warrior DVD that WWE put out, then took a lap around the house yelling "I have the ultimate pussy!" I just took her word for it.
Totally unrelated to the topic, but this post reminded me of that.
[Clark Gable]
Banned
Oh boy. All this emasculation.
Goddamn, LOL
Partial Gamification
Banned
It doesn't really seem like her thing. Also, she propabley wouldn't recite routines that she gets paid for. Her entertainment personality could be similar to her "actual" character but if she was offensive to people, she would get banned. I'm sure she has a fan site if that is the kind of thing you want.
Matter of time.
I use the word from time to time, but not generally as a direct insult toward a woman. "Sup, bitches!" "Son of a bitch!" and various and sundry other combinations.
LOL
hrmmm thinking way too much now.
Just heard her on Stern the other day I guess she lost like 80 LBS. She said "I am the happiest cunt in the world Howard"!! I love this woman.
There isn't a 'blanket' ban on the word retard I don't think.
No, some.
Another angle:
If there was no such word as bitch, but instead people used "loser" when talking about women, what difference would that make? All insults are intended to belittle the receiving person.
(yes I realize loser doesn't have gender specific orientations)
Cyan's post was way better than mine. What a douche.
Association is the only way words have meaning at all.
It's almost like you could even link to the many times it's happened right here on GAF.
Association is the only way words have meaning at all.
It's almost like you could even link to the many times it's happened right here on GAF.
TUROK
Member
Ah, I completely forgot about using it as an expletive.
Partial Gamification
Banned
I like some of her stuff but she has a host of jokes revolving around her sexual preferances that just don't do it for me. I try to suport female comics (woo-hoo me, I'm so great...). Hopefully she is taking care of herself (the weight loss is impressive), I'd like to see her around for awhile.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Which gets to the crux of the issue.
Can someone clarify to me why everybody's so stressed out about douche all of a sudden? See, now that strikes me as the very definition of manufactured outrage. Who, exactly, is arguing genuinely that it is sexist?
fuzzyreactor
Banned
A buddy of mine and I have a ongoing joke about the moderation on this site. GAF is far too strict. Sure it weeds out the trolls but it also makes discussions impossible on issues if you arent with the hive. I got banned for in that creeppic topic just for disagreeing with a poster. I literally just said "no" and was banned lol smh
The whole bitch thing is ridiculous as well.
The whole bitch thing is ridiculous as well.
I was trying to get the gender aspect out, because the crux of the issue is "it's just an insult, except X group of people are offended by it because it's obviously meant to assault that group of people 100% of the time"
Obviously.
What would be a non-gendered word that otherwise expressed the same sentiment as bitch? Because I can't come up with one right now.
I think that's the main problem I have with the ban. It has a very specific meaning, even if you disregard the "female" part, that most alternatives don't have.
I think that's the main problem I have with the ban. It has a very specific meaning, even if you disregard the "female" part, that most alternatives don't have.
It's a matter of picking your discussions just like one picks liquor stores late at night. You can generally tell which ones are bad news from a distance.
like "fuckface"?
I...don't understand what you're saying her. If everybody always used "loser" as an insult targeted towards women then it would, ipso facto, become gender-specific.
Partial Gamification
Banned
Depends on context: rude, bothersome...
The slur bitch is problematic because it attempts to insult and demean based upon a gendered identity, i.e., "I'm insulting you by calling you a girl," but in an even more offensive manner. Slurs based on race aren't tolerated here (rightly so) and neither should slurs based on gender.
Also, calling someone a retard is fucking offensive as well. I spend every working day of my life with amazing individuals with autism and other cognitive/learning/behavior/mental disabilities, and I respect them 110% more than a lot of you. Most of them display more empathy, thoughtfulness, and common sense than those of you arguing for the right to use "bitch" and "retard," etc. Insulting someone based on the general societal perception of negativity (oppressively and wrongly) associated with people who have disabilities is fucked up.
Women, disabled folks, people of color, queer folk, and other categories of oppressed people shouldn't be utilized to fuel insulting statements. Break the association of negativity with being gay, with being autistic, with being black, with being a woman, and those insults stop being useful. By relying on them and using them, you reinforce the bullshit negativity and oppressiveness surrounding their social positioning.
Also, calling someone a retard is fucking offensive as well. I spend every working day of my life with amazing individuals with autism and other cognitive/learning/behavior/mental disabilities, and I respect them 110% more than a lot of you. Most of them display more empathy, thoughtfulness, and common sense than those of you arguing for the right to use "bitch" and "retard," etc. Insulting someone based on the general societal perception of negativity (oppressively and wrongly) associated with people who have disabilities is fucked up.
Women, disabled folks, people of color, queer folk, and other categories of oppressed people shouldn't be utilized to fuel insulting statements. Break the association of negativity with being gay, with being autistic, with being black, with being a woman, and those insults stop being useful. By relying on them and using them, you reinforce the bullshit negativity and oppressiveness surrounding their social positioning.
Why do you need a single insulting word? Someone earlier in the thread said they used it because they thought the woman was foolish, irresponsible, or crazy. What's wrong with those? If anything, there are more ways to express yourself by saying what you mean instead of trying to call names.
Devolution
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I, uh what, nah mods can figure out what people mean. Discretion is really up to them.
notworksafe
Member
I've been threatened while being called "white", "jew", and "dick". Can those words be banned, please?
That doesn't seem to really mean the same. I mean, bitch isn't the same as asshole, is it?
Those do lack the oomph that makes bitch a great word...
[Clark Gable]
Banned
Evillore needs to "weed" out suspect posters. If not he would lose revenue, gotta please the common folk. How else would he afford his lavish vacations?
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Damn guys, my bitch is getting real bitchy today. Those little puppies are sucking her dry as they get bigger.
my opinion is context. I feel like I'm dancing on landmines even trying to be sarcastic with the word.
Byakuya769
Member
Oh, brother.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
is calling a dude a """""bitch"""""" fair game?
Guess we'll find out!
freenudemacusers
Member
I think we all know the outcome
" :O "
It's exhausting trying to keep up with what formerly ok word is banned or if it's only banned on a situational basis and if so, how it's ok to say it. It'd be much easier for everyone if people would keep their panties untwisted.
fake edit: oh no I said panties I must be insensitive to women.
fake edit: oh no I said panties I must be insensitive to women.
To some people, which is the reason why lack of context in text form is such a problem with this stuff. Not to me. Everything can be a compliment or an insult. "Man, you're the MAN!" versus "You're such a MAN", etc.
According to Ice-T's OG album, yes.
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