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[DietRob]

Of course it is, and if EviLore's goal for GAF is to spur quality conversation then a one word post is garbage.

It shouldn't be just his goal. Shouldn't fruitful discussion be a goal across the entire community? If not for discussion why come?

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Sunhi GIFs.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I sometimes use "little bitch" as an insult towards dudes.

Seems like it works better.

same here and i just cant think of a good alternative.

'sissy' is a soft, friendly alternative that you would call your SO if they didnt want to get in the pool if it were too cold.

'pussy' is a man to man bro thing that means your too chicken for whatever.

'lil bitch' is what you call people who cop out of the harder way of doing things for selfish reasons.

'dick/bitch' are sex based variations of 'asshole'

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i hope single quotes are good enough, im too lazy to press shift :x

I dunno call me a bitch let's find out.

JK don't do it I love you Coolio and you being banned could possibly implode the database.

Also Gdamn Gisk them balls on you are large.

thanks brotch

 

[Riggs]

That's because pigeon, who is very special, probably has one of these going:

Nah Pigeon has smiley faces all over his torso for every single kill. Kind of like Happy from Sons of Anarchy.

 

[Kayhan]

On a more serious note, I dislike how a this thread has dissolved into the discussion of ""curse"" words. Especially when these words can only be discussed in ""Quotation Marks"".

I'd probably be for the best if the rules thread was updated to include some of these ""bad"" words so that people are directly aware of community policy, rather than being informed through word of mouth.

I suggested this but got no responses.

Maybe a list of currently bannable words could go in the TOS or something?

I am not even kidding, it seems a little harsh that people get banned for using words that are commonly used in network TV.....

 

[[Clark Gable]]

Of course it is, EviLore's goal for GAF is to collect ad revenue.

Yes, you do speak the truth.

 

[TUROK]

This is really a perfect example of the disingenuous argument surrounding this topic. Again, the implication is that nobody is actually offended, it's an elaborate ploy to get people temporarily banned from a video game forum.

The implication is that the complaints about certain words are ridiculous. Your inherent biases are screwing with your perception of things.

And now we're back to the fantasy world of privilege where white people face as much shit for being white as women do for being women.

You heard it here first, folks. If you're white and a dude, your complaints don't hold as much weight because you don't have it "as bad."

 

[CrankyJay]

It shouldn't be just his goal. Shouldn't fruitful discussion be a goal across the entire community? If not for discussion why come?

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Sunhi GIFs.

Yeah, I thought that was implied...that's why people return. =P

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...and Sunhi GIFs

 

[Mad_Ban]

It's exhausting trying to keep up with what formerly ok word is banned or if it's only banned on a situational basis and if so, how it's ok to say it. It'd be much easier for everyone if people would keep their panties untwisted.

fake edit: oh no I said panties I must be insensitive to women.

I have to finally chime in on this topic so that I can agree with your sentiment. Sometimes I'm just plain scared to post a reaction to some topics because I'd rather stay unbanned, than participate and risk it. Sure, I could moderate my vocabulary accordingly so that no-one is offended, but where is the fun in that?

People (not aimed at anyone in this topic, just a sweeping generalisation ) seem far too eager to bring their personal grievances with words to the fray on GAF nowadays. Of course certain words should be outright barred from civilized conversation, such as words with racist connotations, but words that commonplace in the "normal worlds" vocabulary really shouldn't be paid much heed. Sure, using certain words towards another poster (like me calling another member a bitch or a cunt) deserve punishment, simply because it's clear that someone can't debate or argue with someone without resorting to pettiness, but I hardly think it's correct to ban people for doing it in news topics.

I know I've probably re-iterated what's been said here a thousand times, but I just wanted to put my view across.

 

[bjork]

Do you think the social context surrounding "white" is similar to the social context surrounding "bitch?"

Having been surrounded by people with weapons who don't like white people? Yes.

 

[Xanathus]

Once more:



I apologize if this is new to anyone, but if you are arguing that those posts were not bannable, you are simply mistaken. We discussed Opiate's post internally (and my subsequent clarification on one of the points) before and after he made it and it is an accurate, though still nonexhaustive, representation of the kinds of usages of "bitch" that we find acceptable or unacceptable.

If you are wondering why words like "bitch" or "cunt" are bannable and words like "dick" are generally not, I would suggest that you click the post redirect link on the post I made above which will take you to a topic where these topics were discussed in more detail. I made posts on the subject, as did other users. I would look for them, but unfortunately - or perhaps fortunately - my grandmother's lawn is a higher priority.

The banned posts in the pavement driver were clearly using "bitch" as a gender-neutral insult, no one even implied that the driver's behavior was due to her gender. So.... what gives?

 

[NinjaFridge]

Nah Pigeon has smiley faces all over his torso for every single kill. Kind of like Happy from Sons of Anarchy.

Pigeon is Victor Zsasz confirmed.

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

Instead of calling a dude a "bitch" we need to just bring back "safe moist as dudes." I don't even know what that means but boy is it a good one. Cookie cutter mother fucker isn't too shabby either.

 

[pigeon]

So my anecdotal evidence isn't worth as much as Devolution's?

Yes, because we have only Devo's unsupported word to suggest that women face marginalization and violence.

Interesting that you didn't comment on "dick" or "Jew".

I think you're right about Jew, but I'm also pretty sure if you tried to use it as a derogatory term for anything, even a video game boss as the example was originally in this discussion, you would get banned pretty quickly. So good job, you're covered.

 

[Riggs]

Instead of calling a dude a "bitch" we need to just bring back "safe moist as dudes." I don't even know what that means but boy is it a good one. Cookie cutter mother fucker isn't too shabby either.

Seriously ...

I am just going to start calling everyone a Cookie cutter mother fucker. Hope that works out well for me.

 

[Orayn]

You heard it here first, folks. If you're white and a dude, your complaints don't hold as much weight because you don't have it "as bad."

So because I've never experienced discrimination on the basis of my sex or ethnicity, I am fully qualified to tell victimized people how offended they should be? I have the final say? This privilege thing is neato, I didn't know it could do so much!

 

[Cindres]

I wish we could start warning people who come into a thread about a celebrity and go "I don't even know who this is"

It happens every time there's a thread about some sort of pop star, It's not hard to google the fucking name.

 

[Partial Gamification]

same here and i just cant think of a good alternative.

'sissy' is a soft, friendly alternative that you would call your SO if they didnt want to get in the pool if it were too cold.

'pussy' is a man to man bro thing that means your too chicken for whatever.

'lil bitch' is what you call people who cop out of the harder way of doing things for selfish reasons.

'dick/bitch' are sex based variations of 'asshole'

I don't undderstand why you would want to keep a set of acceptable insults, when the point is to not offend.
You spelled out alternatives that don't have a lot of baggage:
sissy: soft
pussy: chicken
lil bitch: cop-out
The last would depend one the occasion, rude seems to apply to all.

 

[GavinGT]

Running from a problem is a coward's solution.

fake edit 2: God damn it I can't stop offending groups of people!

Way to make me feel insecure about my cowardice.

 

[notworksafe]

Yes, because we have only Devo's unsupported word to suggest that women face marginalization and violence.



I think you're right about Jew, but I'm also pretty sure if you tried to use it as a derogatory term for anything, even a video game boss as the example was originally in this discussion, you would get banned pretty quickly. So good job, you're covered.

So I'm the only white male to ever have been put in a threatening situation? I should call the news!

 

[Steve Youngblood]

You heard it here first, folks. If you're white and a dude, your complaints don't hold as much weight because you don't have it "as bad."

That's not really a radical suggestion. That's not to say that straight, white men should be told to stuff any and all complaints in an envelope and mail them to somebody who gives a damn, but many feel it's a tad disingenuous when the majority group tries to offer that minority groups aren't the only ones with problems.

But, it's a very nuanced situation to me. On the one hand, I don't think white people -- as an example -- are exempt from racial prejudice and should be ignored if they cite racial prejudice. However, I expect people to look at me with a very suspicious eye if I suggest that, by having been called a 'cracker' before, I can truly relate to what it must be like to be called a 'nigger'.

 

[Mumei]

You heard it here first, folks. If you're white and a dude, your complaints don't hold as much weight because you don't have it "as bad."

As a white man who is not offended by anything pigeon has posted and thinks that he is making an accurate representation of why there are distinctions (as is magicstop and some other posters) between these words, I would suggest that you reread because he is not arguing the point which you have misrepresented there.

The banned posts in the pavement driver were clearly using "bitch" as a gender-neutral insult, no one even implied that the driver's behavior was due to her gender. So.... what gives?

You may have misunderstood due to the fact that it suggests in the first post that it is okay to use it as a synonym for "jerk" or "asshole", but as I clarified that is generally something that is more available in practice for referring to oneself in a self-deprecating manner. And as charlequin said in the post I quoted from another topic, "We don't want GAF to be a community where it's okay to try to push the boundaries of how rude and offensive the things you call people are."

And -COOLIO-:

It feels unnecessary, bordering on white-knighting to me.

The job of the moderation staff is to encourage positive discussion and community contributions while discouraging things that make the community less pleasant, less welcoming, and otherwise less good than it could be.

We don't want GAF to be a community where it's okay to talk shit about people... as long as they're women, or as long as they're fat, or as long as they don't speak English, or as long as they're mentally ill, period. We don't want GAF to be a community where it's okay to try to push the boundaries of how rude and offensive the things you call people are. Just in general, this is not a place where it's okay to be rude and abusive to other people.

It's really not that hard to treat other people right. I really, honestly don't think we're asking too much of people.

 

[marrec]

So I'm the only white male to ever have been put in a threatening situation? I should call the news!

Dog bites man.

 

[notworksafe]

So because I've never experienced discrimination on the basis of my sex or ethnicity, I am fully qualified to tell victimized people how offended they should be? I have the final say? This privilege thing is neato, I didn't know it could do so much!

Not only that but victimized people get to dictate everything about what words are offensive to how much other groups are allowed to get offended and even how they aren't allowed to feel threatened by other groups because of their skin color or genitalia!

 

[Kayhan]

I wish we could start warning people who come into a thread about a celebrity and go "I don't even know who this is"

It happens every time there's a thread about some sort of pop star, It's not hard to google the fucking name.

Someone please think of the celebrities!

* barf *

 

[TUROK]

So because I've never experienced discrimination on the basis of my sex or ethnicity, I am fully qualified to tell victimized people how offended they should be? I have the final say? This privilege thing is neato, I didn't know it could do so much!

You also get to put words in my mouth and misconstrue what people say to make your point, but I see you already knew that.

 

[Riggs]

Someone please think of the celebrities!

*barf*

Heh have to admit I thought the same thing.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

If there are no genders, how can there be gender specific slurs?

m.night.shamalyan.twist.jpg.exe

 

[Snuggles]

Someone please think of the celebrities!

* barf *

It has nothing to do with showing reverence for celebrities. It's just flatout pointless and unfunny shit posting.

 

[pigeon]

So I'm the only white male to ever have been put in a threatening situation? I should call the news!

I have to say, I really appreciate your posts. I feel like they do a much better job demonstrating how privilege works than I could explain it.

 

[Gisk]

Someone please think of the celebrities!

* barf *

Woah there, better put "gaftation marks" around your word there, or you could be banned.

" * barf * "

There I did it for you, happy posting!

 

[CornBurrito]

There are people on here who use the word "cis" as an insult. Ban that also. It "offends" me

Can you give me a single link where cis was used as an insult?

 

[Uno Venova]

I wish we could start warning people who come into a thread about a celebrity and go "I don't even know who this is"

It happens every time there's a thread about some sort of pop star, It's not hard to google the fucking name.

It's like they want to be seen as too cool because they don't know, so odd.

 

[GavinGT]

If there are no genders, how can there be gender specific slurs?

m.night.shamalyan.twist.jpg.exe

Good thing I'm running antivirus software!

 

[Kayhan]

It has nothing to do with showing reverence for celebrities. It's just flatout pointless and unfunny shit posting.

Maybe so but I guess it shows that a lot of posters don't really respect all the mindless celebrity news and feel that is a way to show it.

 

[marrec]

Woah there, better put "gaftation marks" around your word there, or you could be banned.

" * barf * "

There I did it for you, happy posting!

See, this junior gets it. Why are members having such a hard time understanding?

 

[Riggs]

Woah there, better put "gaftation marks" around your word there, or you could be banned.

" * barf * "

There I did it for you, happy posting!

Not sure about the rest of you but this guy is cracking me up.

 

[Snuggles]

Maybe so but I guess it shows that a lot of posters don't really respect all the mindless celebrity news and feel that is a way to show it.

Well, yeah, it's no big deal if it's in response some dumb TMZ news but unfortunately those kinds of posts aren't limited to those threads.

 

[Orayn]

You also get to put words in my mouth and misconstrue what people say to make your point, but I see you already knew that.

I'll own up to being rude if you clarify your original statement a little.

Can you give me a single link where cis was used as an insult?

There's a straw man I pass every day on my way to class. He calls me "cis breeder cracker scum" and it makes me cry.

 

[Kayhan]

Not sure about the rest of you but this guy is cracking me up.

Yeah, Big Balls Junior is great.

 

[NinjaFridge]

It's like they want to be seen as too cool because they don't know, so odd.

It's up there with the classic: "I feel like i'm the only one who doesn't use facebook!".

 

[Cyan]

There's a straw man I pass every day on my way to class. He calls me "cis breeder cracker scum" and it makes me cry.

Man, that sounds really rough.

We should all attack that straw man.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I am totally, 100% okay with banning all "I have no idea who this person is/what this thread is about" posts, barring situations where the actual thread subject is extremely hard to parse, which does happen.

You have the internet at your finger tips! You can google names and acronyms or use some goddamn deductive reasoning so easily and faster than if you just asked.

 

[FelixOrion]

Can you give me a single link where cis was used as an insult?

When the whole transsexual thing exploded a few weeks ago, there were talks of words like "cis" and "breeder" used towards cis, straight individuals.

 

[TommyT]

Ahh. Just another refreshing episode of "As the GAF Turns."

...my grandmother's lawn is a higher priority.

Get that tan going dude!

 

[Cyan]

Man. I don't know why this sort of discussion just makes me tired, but it does.

:/

 

[Tess3ract]

You heard it here first, folks. If you're white and a dude, your complaints don't hold as much weight because you don't have it "as bad."

Sounds like discrimination to me.

 

[[Clark Gable]]

Can you give me a single link where cis was used as an insult?

"http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/i-hate-cis-people"

Sure can.

 

[CornBurrito]

When the whole transsexual thing exploded a few weeks ago, there were talks of words like "cis" and "breeder" used towards cis, straight individuals.

So someone on GAF seriously insulted another member with the word "cis" and "breeder?"

"http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/i-hate-cis-people"

Sure can.

Oh shit, since when did Tumblr become a part of NeoGAF?

Here, since apparently you didn't understand without me directly stating it: Can you give me an example of a NeoGAF poster seriously (not jokingly!) insulting another member on the basis of them being cis/straight?

 

[TUROK]

As a white man who is not offended by anything pigeon has posted and thinks that he is making an accurate representation of why there are distinctions (as is magicstop and some other posters) between these words, I would suggest that you reread because he is not arguing the point which you have misrepresented there.

I understand what pigeon is saying, but that in no way invalidates anyone feeling offended because he is part of a group of people that is generally thought of not being marginalized or oppressed. Hence my statement.

I don't understand how anyone thinks it's okay to qualify whether someone's grievances are more valid than someone else's because of a supposed gap in power or social status. It seems like it's not okay to generalize groups of people unless they're white and male.

 

[Kusagari]

Nothing annoys me more than the "Who is this?" posts.

I really would love to see those banned.