AgentChris
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Games journalism... LOL I think the posters of NeoGAF are far more astute when it comes to the inner workings of the games industry.
Haha. Wtf.
Haha. Wtf.
The response proves exactly why he needed to name names. If anything he should have named more.
Except that one of the big problems is that game journos hide behind a collective anonymity. The pervasive sense that "everyone" is doing it makes this kind of behavior seem acceptable and normal.I might get flamed for this but whatever. I don't think Florence needed to name names in order to write a compelling article. I'm NOT saying what he did was libel or even necessarily 'wrong', it was just a bit much, especially towards a relative noname such as Wainwright. He could have just described the situation and guided people on a Twitter search for the offending hashtags. By calling her and others out by name, it makes things a little too personal for my liking. What could have been constructive criticism of the industry in general was instead something that could easily be misconstrued as personal attacks. [Note: I'm saying they were not personal attacks.] Regardless of how I feel about this admittedly minor point, I'm on the same page as most folks here about everything that transpired afterwards. At no point should anyone, especially a journalist, resort to or even fake legal action to silence criticism. I don't care how singled-out or unfairly treated she felt, nothing excuses that.
Any sites covering this debacle yet?
Consolevania was so good. I feel that should be stated many times.
The only way people handle mistakes well is if they have journalistic integrity in the first place, and I would assume this thread has opened a beehive on the issue that we even argue if game journalism has integrity.
Dare we dream of a resurrection? :O
John Walker puts the boot in. Again.
http://botherer.org/2012/10/25/a-bit-of-perspective/
Shes young, shes inexperienced, and shes fucked up.
Exactly. Which is why I think it's the height of lameness when games writers say "I'm not a journalist." It's a cop-out that lets them say whatever BS they want.Schrödinger's cat;43606311 said:Agreed.
The more I've seen of games writing the more it seems like a wonderful gig: a job where you don't have to be held accountable for anything you do - but get to hold everyone else accountable in whatever manner fits your headline.
John Walker puts the boot in. Again.
http://botherer.org/2012/10/25/a-bit-of-perspective/
She’s young, she’s inexperienced, and she’s fucked up.
If there is anything that cries out for the newly minted UK version of Kickstarter, it's this.
Dare we dream of a resurrection? :O
A section of the gaming audience leaps on any opportunity to abuse and insult any woman in the industry who steps out of line
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
John Walker puts the boot in. Again.
http://botherer.org/2012/10/25/a-bit-of-perspective/
Shes young, shes inexperienced, and shes fucked up.
Amazon Tony just got the boot.
Amazon Tony just got the boot.
Consolevania was so good. I feel that should be stated many times.
HNGNHNHNGNGHNGH
if only there was something showing her saying she was working for SE AND writing about their games at the same time. oh wait, there is. http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/atheistium/the-lauren-chronicles-a-few-life-updates/30-91806/
so that's her Sun Deus EX review, Tomb Raider hype and FF13-2 consultancy all in one post
well, I'm out
Schrödinger's cat;43606311 said:Agreed.
The more I've seen of games writing the more it seems like a wonderful gig: a job where you don't have to be held accountable for anything you do - but get to hold everyone else accountable in whatever manner fits your headline.
Amazon Tony just got the boot.
Poor Tony, wish he read the OT rules.
Amazon Tony just got the boot.
EviL said:Highly inappropriate to propose this publicly, and explicitly against our rules (as seen above). Crosses the line.
John Walker puts the boot in. Again.
http://botherer.org/2012/10/25/a-bit-of-perspective/
Shes young, shes inexperienced, and shes fucked up.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The Internet rage machine always makes me nervous, even when it begins against an ostensibly deserving offense.After Florences article was published on Eurogamer, those in the industry who shifted uncomfortably at the sight of their boat being nudged immediately began shouting ITS A WITCH HUNT! It was not. It was far easier to shout that and pretend that it was, than to actually take on board the arguments being made by the article. Now, sadly, it has become a witch hunt, and that needs to stop. Wainwright absolutely should be condemned for her actions this morning, but thats where it should stop. Shes young, shes inexperienced, and shes fucked up. She has the right to apologise for that and to be forgiven. An angry mob acting like pricks provides an unhelpful perspective when trying to highlight issues that need changing.
Yeah I think we all liked Tony but that was some bad timing, and against the rules if he read the FAQ. I hope it's a short ban.
I don't get why that Amazon marketer was allowed to post here anyway.
I don't get why that Amazon marketer was allowed to post here anyway.
I don't entirely disagree with you, but these questions do come to mind:anyway... before that... Who took geoff kheighley seriously?
I mean... If there is a PR Puppet in the industry ... Its him!
I never saw an interview where he asked real challenging question to the guy in front of him...
Its alway some verry friendly interview asking question that everyone will be happy to answer.
What is it with PR guys always typing their name at the end of the postOh wow that amazon thread
Yeah, just noticed.
Its a difficult topic, but I think the mods made the right decision on that one. We all come together in this Forum since its one of the few safe havens that I actually believe in. Stories like the one in this thread just suck and we really should stay independent. I guess the Tony thread was throwing up another issue of posters possibly contacting him about what he offered and making deals behind everyones back.
All around bad feel situation :/
What is it with PR guys always typing their name at the end of the post
Best regards,
Frank
Those DEALS bro. He was also very effective customer service from time to time.
On one hand I feel it was a horrible proposition on his part. but I could see *some* good of it. Which is worse?
1. Publisher makes an OT and you know their motives.
2. User makes an OT but you can't ever be sure of their motives.
Of course. And history has shown game journalists make the worst mistakes imaginable when it comes to correcting things. I remember Brian Ashcraft wrote a damning piece on Hironobu Sakaguchi, and how his new game was just stealing from Final Fantasy, especially with the cover artwork. The problem, and it's a big one: the game was Pandora's Tower, a game he had no involvement in at all.
Thanks for the informationIt's how they do emails I'd imagine, which they probably send a lot of
I just find that really, really odd. Like I'd go in to game threads and he'd have a post saying "yo bros we have this on sale on Amazon check it out". Just felt really...un-GAF.
Was that really a serious thread by Amazon Tony? Baffling if it was.