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Holy crap, I didn't even think about GC VC support, dat Blue Storm and FZGX on the gamepad, shits gonna be insane!.
I'm not personally invested in the issue that much, as I never use more than my own console, but there's no reason not to have the ability to use your account on another Wii U, now that Nintendo has moved to a fully account-based system. And it obviously matters to some people in a real, practical sense, even if it doesn't matter much to you or I. Personally I think the tools to manage all this stuff should arrive when the browser access to the eShop and Miiverse does, even if it's just a way to untether your account from one system so you can attach it to another.
As to a full data transfer between Wii Us, Nintendo has already alluded to working on something on their technical support page. So we'll probably hear about it sometime next year.
Do I need the classic controller to play this game? I really dont need another controller clogging up space. Wish I Could use my wiipad get on it Nintendo.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
You can use the Wiimote + Nunchuck
crossing my fingers....
shouamabane
Member
I'd like to hear some impressions of the Wii LAN Adapter too.
My connection kept dropping during the initial update, so I ordered one. I haven't had any trouble with wifi since then.
I'm not even sure Xenoblade IS that scarce yet, remember it's a GameStop exclusive. Use their inventory checker and see if any near you have it in stock.
Would still be nice to see Wii games there though, albeit under the assumption they attempt an HD remaster rather than a straight re-release. Especially if it's easy to do, Epic Mickey 2 implies that may not be the case but that's probably more a development equivalent of telephone, being ported to PS3/360 THEN quickly ported to the Wii U in time for launch (both of the system and other versions). Hopefully any up-ports that aren't rushed and are working with solidified hardware and SDK can reliably be great.
Clay Davis
Member
it is a huge deal. I don't understand why you're downplaying it or arguing so vehemently against it being presented as a huge deal.
in the uk, we get one year store warranties by default, so what if my system develops a fault while it is still in warranty with the store? why should I be forced to jump through more hoops to have it repaired by nintendo when I could go back to the store and get a straight swap for a new console like I have done in the past with my xbox 360 and playstation 3.
your argument of piracy simply doesn't hold water, it's not rampant on other consoles that offer account migration, I don't see why nintendo would be so worried about. the 3ds to 3ds transfer system is in itself a bizarre set up, I feel it shows a fundamental issue with nintendo that they don't understand why account migration is so important.
it's not about piracy, it's about their network not being able to support account migration or about them not understanding why it's so important.
I don't mind so much about moving my games in case my console breaks (although a clear answer that 'this is ok' from Nintendo would be reassuring).
But these days your progress is tied to your account, with origin, Uplay etc. so if you want to play multiplayer around a friends house, you can't even sign in to bring your XP etc across.
It's is also a very good point for European customers. I'm surprised at people in the US sending their consoles in to Nintendo after a few days - that should just go back to the store, and stores should have reserve stock for swap outs.
Dreamwriter
Member
So that one little bit of inconvenience makes it a HUGE deal?? Obviously I'm mostly talking to people in the US who are the ones being very vehement about it and saying "I'm never buying any games digitally, even ones I can't get any other way", but I still don't see that as a huge deal even in Europe. Most electronic devices don't die within a year (that's why stores in the US push extended 1 year warranties so hard, because it's almost free money for them, such a low percentage of the people who buy them actually need them).
People are talking as if this is the worst DRM ever, as if this is as bad as games forcing you to be online to play or giving themselves root access to your Windows Kernal, but there's almost no downsides to the way Nintendo is doing this.
not_so_special
Banned
no downsides? seriously?
there are downsides,a lot of them,this is anticonsumer,and still dont get how anyone can defend these type of behaviour
PuppetSlave
Member
Which is even slightly preferable imo. Have an classic but after trying both, stayed with wiimote+nunchuck combo.
Both work great though
I agree with what he's talking about. For most people this won't be an issue and ultimately will be taken care of by Nintendo at some point. This is really a non-issue. I'll admit that I never purchased a Black Wii because I didn't want to lose all my data, but in this case, I'm sure they'll work something out so that we can change when the time comes.
There's just one for me: If my Wii U gets stolen, and that's a big if. If my system ever brokes I'll send it to NoA for repairs anyway, so losing my account shouldn't be a problem in that case either. the system-to-system transfer is enough. Now, with handhelds it's different because those are more propense to get lost/stolen but again, it's no dealbreaker for me either.
Dreamwriter
Member
OK, so I decided to list every single downside:
- If your system breaks within your retail store's return period, you still can't return the system to the store, you must send the broken system to Nintendo, or lose all of your downloads.
- If your system is stolen or burns up in a fire, you lose all your downloaded games, unless you convince a Nintendo rep to move the games to your new console in their system (this was hit or miss on the Wii).
- You can't download your purchased games on another person's Wii U.
- Until Nintendo releases a system-to-system transfer tool, you can't move your games to another system (currently needed if you want to switch from a black Wii U to a white one or vice/versa)
That's the entire list, there are no other bad things about it. I just don't see those 4 things as being a HUGE deal that would make people not ever want to download any games, or tell other people that it's a bad idea. How do those 4 things make it "anticonsumer"?
I mean, even if you break your console yourself or it's broken outside of warranty, you still want to send your console to Nintendo, because they are far cheaper to replace the console than buying a new one retail. Not to mention there's a chance they could save your game-saves, where you would definitely lose them all replacing your console at the store. And the size of most Wii U games and the speed of Nintendo's download servers means it's unlikely anyone will ever want to download their game onto a friend's console just to play a fun game for the night. And Nintendo *is* working on the system-to-system transfer tool, like they have on the 3DS and like the Wii to Wii U one works.
None, it would be called Miiregions if that would have been the case.
The communities are separeted in regions but you can browse and participate in all of them, they're open for everyone. At least that wasn't region-locked. :-(
Cheesemeister
Member
6 days14 days
Fixed.
not_so_special
Banned
i know its a exception but im a user of multiple consoles on the same house ( i have 3 ps3 4 xbox yes i have a big house) this is a problem for me on that regard
for me region locked system and this whole account only on one system is anticonsumer,i repeat,for me.
Clay Davis
Member
I think issue is that we're coming at this from different perspectives as you touched upon. being from the uk, I expect to return my console for up to a year if it develops a fault, so there not being a option to migrate my account is a huge deal. I can understand how it might not be as big of a deal for people in the us where there isn't as much consumer protection and laws.
I would say that it is one of worst drm of all the consoles.
You seriously aren't seeing the problems here, of how things get tied down so you can't, say, buy stuff on a shared system then move to your own later on? Or just how completely fucking absurd it is to be given accounts only to be restricted to a SINGLE console for their use, no going over to friends and logging in just to track online progress even if you can't play your games on that system? The more money you invest in this (especially important with full priced retail games being added) the harder it is to rationalize a draconian, backwards system (assuming they don't just patch in the ability to transfer ownership to a new console, hopefully addressed from THEIR servers rather than from console to console). That's the thing here really, the big problems are unlikely to happen to most people, BUT we want good contingency plans in case those happen and Nintendo's horribly lacking there, nevermind how this stuff affects normal usage that doesn't seek to exploit the system. Hell, it's just good period to not have to worry if something happens.
Hell, even the "send in to NoA for repairs" angle is terrible, there can be system upgrades that are more durable or just have nicer features like more onboard storage, especially if a repair costs enough that it's not an appealing option. I'd much rather just get that upgrade if the finances are there.
Clay Davis
Member
how is the bolded not a huge deal? do you bot believe in consumer rights and protection from bad practises or something?
not_so_special
Banned
so thats the anticonsumer part
Clay Davis
Member
it's all anti consumer apart from sharing your account but even there the argument could be made for it being anti consumer if you share your account with someone in the same house.
MrMephistoX
Member
Things happen, systems break and when a new model is released or its happened multiple times there's no point in paying hundreds to repair a ticking time bomb. There's no point in defending Nintendo's oversight of what should be an industry standard when they're the only backward holdout: for example, I sold my glitchy Wii a while ago without realizing that I wouldn't be able to do on Wii U what I've easily done on Apple devices and Microsoft and Sony consoles for years: download and transfer my digitally purchased content.
brandonh83
Banned
cool my gamepad won't turn on that's cool.
Smiles and Cries
Member
strange is that plugged in?
brandonh83
Banned
Yep. I left it on while watching a couple of movies on Netflix, fell asleep (pad was in a secure location), woke up and its dead as fuck. It won't charge, no lights come on, nothing.
EDIT: CRISIS AVERTED, I plugged the gamepad charger into a different outlet and it's charging now. WOW okay time for some good morning coffee. fuck you, incompetent power outlet!
Smiles and Cries
Member
that is strange, I woke up with my AC3 and NG3 done downloading and now finishing the installs I thought this download would never end
...you can't take your profile to a friends house and play multiplayer with them. To me, that's the biggest issue, along with not being able to return a defective console to a shop
Smiles and Cries
Member
there seems to be much more moderating than I expected lots of people have been reporting XBL and PSN names being the trigger
radioheadrule83
Banned
I don't think they will but it'd be nice if sainsburys fucked this up and sent me the console early!
Smiles and Cries
Member
I don't think they will but it'd be nice if sainsburys fucked this up and sent me the console early!
or send it out early with a snails pace delivery service like Amazon has been doing to me this month
I had my personal website on my profile and had my profile blocked until I edited it out.
I didn't even know what the offense was at first since they didn't specify why they blocked my profile, just a simple messaged that my profile had been restricted for viewing for violating their Miiverse code of conduct. It wasn't until I went through their entire terms and conditions that I figured I most likely violated their "marketing or advertising" rule set.
I don't think they will but it'd be nice if sainsburys fucked this up and sent me the console early!
And so the pre-launch blue balls begin. They might post on Monday and you get it on Tuesday. Or they might post via snail on Monday and you get it Saturday. Or they might prepare all of them for despatch and they just sit in the post room until Thursday before being loaded on a van.
Best thing to do is press F5 every 10 minutes, just incase..
Just been into my local GAME store.
A member of staff was stood infront of the Wii U section giving a small crowd a run through of the system and it's features etc. People were asking plenty of questions and seemed intrigued. On my walk around the store I also heard a lady asking someone behind the counter about the Wii U, while next to her another was placing a pre-order.
Completley anecdotal evidence, but it was the first time I'd heard the Wii U spoken of by an actual real human amongst the general public where I live, and that seemed like a lot of interest for what amounted to no more than a minute or so in the store.
I did go in there to cancel my Deluxe pre-order (I want the white + NSMBU bundle from John Lewis, which I can get cheaper than a Deluxe through the wife's discount), but the interest made me second guess doing that until I know I can 100% get the system I want from John Lewis. My local HMV have already stopped taking ANY pre-orders for a week or two now and GAME aren't taking basic pre-orders, so I don't want to cancel now and end up not getting one at all.
Anyone else heard similar in their local stores in the UK? In terms of hype amongst the general public the Wii U has seemed totally flat to me up until now, but today seemed a complete shift in the other direction.
A member of staff was stood infront of the Wii U section giving a small crowd a run through of the system and it's features etc. People were asking plenty of questions and seemed intrigued. On my walk around the store I also heard a lady asking someone behind the counter about the Wii U, while next to her another was placing a pre-order.
Completley anecdotal evidence, but it was the first time I'd heard the Wii U spoken of by an actual real human amongst the general public where I live, and that seemed like a lot of interest for what amounted to no more than a minute or so in the store.
I did go in there to cancel my Deluxe pre-order (I want the white + NSMBU bundle from John Lewis, which I can get cheaper than a Deluxe through the wife's discount), but the interest made me second guess doing that until I know I can 100% get the system I want from John Lewis. My local HMV have already stopped taking ANY pre-orders for a week or two now and GAME aren't taking basic pre-orders, so I don't want to cancel now and end up not getting one at all.
Anyone else heard similar in their local stores in the UK? In terms of hype amongst the general public the Wii U has seemed totally flat to me up until now, but today seemed a complete shift in the other direction.
I don't think they will but it'd be nice if sainsburys fucked this up and sent me the console early!
You know what you guys need? A midnight launch.
I'm pretty happy that I can download the update whilst I sleep. Otherwise that would be one huge chunk of my day off dedicated to watching a progress bar.
You know what you guys need? A midnight launch.
I'm pretty happy that I can download the update whilst I sleep. Otherwise that would be one huge chunk of my day off dedicated to watching a progress bar.
Nah, while its downloading I'll just read this thread or play something else. Not like my backlog is getting any shorter (one reason I don't care if there is a post launch drought)
Fair enough. My time off work is very valuable.
That is what Sainsbury's do; it was the same for Halo 4 - don't get your hopes up. They'll probably despatch it wednesday at the earliest. Shopto also said they would begin sorting their preorders at the end of this week, which is now, so it makes sense for Sainsbury's to do that too, considering how many preorders there are.
Has anybody tried just changing the geographical location of their NNID and seen if they could download games from other regions? Or maybe even create a new NNID with a different region selected, and download other regions' games on that one?
How does it all work? Why is nobody experimenting with these things?
Just been in to my local GAME (Sutton Coldfield) and been advised that they're gonna be calling pre-order people up over next few days to gauge interest in midnight opening (I advised i'm at a party that night so probably wouldn;t and the staff member joked and said "come in drunk and we'll convince you to buy this" *pointed at Funky Barn* - Us Gamers.....)
They're full for pre-orders for basic and deluxe and taking pre-orders for 5th December second delivery.
They're full for pre-orders for basic and deluxe and taking pre-orders for 5th December second delivery.
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