Panajev2001a
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Next you'll tell me I can't act and there goes my potential Broadway career... .
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Yep, what a bloody joke. Nintendo just constantly makes stupid, fucked up decisions.What is this, a joke? Not only are they limiting when you can access that content, but to a FOUR HOUR window? Are they mental?
I have to WORK during the night. If I lived in Europe what exactly would they expect me to do? I'll be contacting Nintendo about this.
He was an early advocate for having some control over violence in games, but I haven't heard much on that front lately, only with San Andreas in 2005. I'm guessing with how the Supreme Court case went and how things fell out over the last two decades there really isn't THAT much reason to be up in arms about it now. Ironically might be more of a problem for some of us, with kids going straight to CoD and blowing off anything else, but I guess that sort of thing always happens.Is this Joe Lieberman?
*looks at filename*
Why did you post Joe Lieberman?
"just an annoyance"?
Yea, sure. You can't fucking buy what you want to buy. This is a trainwreck, not an annoyance. I'm surprised this thread isn't 10 pages because this is one of the most anti-consumer things I've read recently.
Yeah, that's bullshit. Nobody can or will sue Nintendo over this. And how does this favor their own games? This will affect Nintendo published 18+ games like Ninja Gaiden or Bayonetta as well.This is a bigger deal for 3rd parties. Consumers still can buy the games, but 3rd parties are limited to a 4 hour sales window. I hope some 3rd party publisher sues Nintendo over this, as it presents a clear manipulation of competition by favoring their own games.
lol, no it wont, as their 18+ games are merely token games, funded to bolster their portfolio, nothing else. As if they expect those games to sell gangbusters.Yeah, that's bullshit. Nobody can or will sue Nintendo over this. And how does this favor their own games? This will affect Nintendo published 18+ games like Ninja Gaiden or Bayonetta as well.
lol, no it wont, as their 18+ games are merely token games, funded to bolster their portfolio, nothing else. As if they expect those games to sell gangbusters.
Suing is ineffective anyway, 3rd parties should just get the hell out of the eShop and the WiiU alltogether, it's a hostile marketplace with retarded restrictions and very limited reach. The sane thing for them to do is to withhold all of their content unless a fair marketplace is provided. They're not even losing anything, as with the current absolutely braindead policy, they're not going to sell anything either.
At this point, Nintendo really deserves losing all of their market relevance as they are shooting themselves in both legs with a minigun.
This move really belongs in the hall of fame of retarded business practises.
Hopefully 3rd parties will jump ship and ignore this POS online store.
As stupid as Nintendo is being here, you really just sound like you hate them regardless.
Why would a developer put a mature game on the wii u if people only have a few hours a day to buy it?
i made a post on miiverse about this in Nintendoland community.
you guys yeah it
Because germany is trying to ruin it for all of us. Let's hope big publishers slap NOE's shit good.
Considering that every single other European online game store (on consoles and PC) works in a sane manner I think it would be strange to blame anyone other than Nintendo for this.Do we know this is down to Germany?
Considering that every single other European online game store (on consoles and PC) works in a sane manner I think it would be strange to blame anyone other than Nintendo for this.
Just a heads-up, the ubishop.com store does the same for PC-Downloads (at least in germany). Tried to get ACIII (got a voucher with my new video card) and got the "you can only buy this item between 22:00-06:00" message. It's ridiculous, ACIII isn't even a 18-title - it got an 16 rating. Also funny, you need to be 18+ to create a shop-account, makes the restriction even more hilarious.
Yeah, i hate them so much, I bought all of their home consoles, have a 3DS, an XL, got the ZombiU premium edition, Blops2, Nintendoland and JD4 at launch.As stupid as Nintendo is being here, you really just sound like you hate them regardless.
As stated multiple times in this thread, every single other European online game store isn't operated from Germany. And even in Germany, this shouldn't be an issue anymore, but a law that would have made client site parental controls legally sufficient fell through two years ago, so youth protection is still the responsibility of the content provider.Considering that every single other European online game store (on consoles and PC) works in a sane manner I think it would be strange to blame anyone other than Nintendo for this.
And as replied many times in this thread, then it is entirely Nintendo's fault for operating their online store for all of Europe out of Germany.As stated multiple times in this thread, every single other European online game store isn't operated from Germany. And even in Germany, this shouldn't be an issue anymore, but a law that would have made client site parental controls legally sufficient fell through two years ago, so youth protection is still the responsibility of the content provider.
Well, assuming the law had passed two years ago, there would have been no reason to move the online operations elsewhere. A new law is in the works ever since, but it's going a lot slower than expected.And as replied many times in this thread, then it is entirely Nintendo's fault for operating their online store for all of Europe out of Germany.
it is as result of reaction to stupid German laws
This is insane. If they have to have the restriction in Germany to comply with the law, fair enough. But a) why do PSN/XBL not have this restriction? and b) that is no reason to force the policy on other countries where that law does not apply.
According to PEGI, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 3D and Resident Evil The Mercenaries 3D:Is there an 18+ 3DS game on the 3DS eShop?
This is insane. If they have to have the restriction in Germany to comply with the law, fair enough. But a) why do PSN/XBL not have this restriction?
b) that is no reason to force the policy on other countries where that law does not apply.
I don't buy this excuse, though. They have regional offices all over Europe they could use. It's not like the servers are in Germany. Last I checked a few days ago it seemed all the auth servers were actually in the US and run by NOA, while content was coming from Akamai in Switzerland, but this may differ.At least on PSN Germany, there are no game demos or videos or anything of such games at all. After the PSN outage Sony gave out free games. And in case of the PSN Germany Infamous + Dead Nation were removed because of those laws.
If you host from within Germany, German laws apply for everything.
Even if you host from outside of Germany but are a German citizen, you may get into trouble. That's why the one responsible for Schnittberichte.com/Movie-Censorship.com is from Austria.
So the actual problem is:
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Contact/Contact-621598.html
This website is operated by
Nintendo of Europe GmbH
Nintendo Center
D-63760 Grossostheim
Germany
fucking Germanyfucking Nintendo EU based in
In Germany, I can sell Bratwurst and beer to customers from the UAE, even if it's illegal there. On the other hand, I can't sell dope over the Internet even if I only ship to customers in the Netherlands. Because German law applies. It's completely irrelevant where the customer lives.This is insane. If they have to have the restriction in Germany to comply with the law, fair enough. But a) why do PSN/XBL not have this restriction? and b) that is no reason to force the policy on other countries where that law does not apply.
I don't buy this excuse, though. They have regional offices all over Europe they could use. It's not like the servers are in Germany. Last I checked a few days ago it seemed all the auth servers were actually in the US and run by NOA, while content was coming from Akamai in Switzerland, but this may differ.
Where the servers are is (almost) completely irrelevant. What's important is this:I don't buy this excuse, though. They have regional offices all over Europe they could use. It's not like the servers are in Germany. Last I checked a few days ago it seemed all the auth servers were actually in the US and run by NOA, while content was coming from Akamai in Switzerland, but this may differ.
http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/terms/wiiu/index.htmlI. Nintendo Network Agreement
This is a binding agreement between you, an individual, and Nintendo of Europe GmbH, Nintendo Center, 63760 Grossostheim, Germany.
[...]
1.14 Governing Law
This Agreement and any claims under this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of Germany, to the exclusion of the UN Sales Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods and without reference to conflict of laws principles.
Like I already said: nintendo.co.uk is operated by Nintendo Germany. Which means German laws apply. It doesn't matter at all, if the actual servers are in US, UK or Afghanistan. It doesn't even matter, if the website content is in English or Japanese. They would have to change this to get rid of those laws.
They can't just make a country selection and based on that change how the site or servers behave. German courts would say that it's really easy for a child to change the country and by doing so wouldn't be "protected" anymore. It's totally retarded, but that's the way it is.
Heavily doubt that would fly if challenged. Only thing that would really work long term would be to establish a "Nintendo Network Europe LLC" in the UK or something and transfer all online operations. Pretty sure NoE will have to do just that sooner rather than later.Would IP geotracking be a viable alternative, so the restrictions are only applied to German IPs? It's very hard to get around.