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The War Z: shady, misleading and false advertising.
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blitzcloud
Banned
Please. Can you guys take a deep breath and not post every bit of negative INFO about the game without knowing the reasons?
XSOLLA is the billing company that processes payments. They cannot refund something they didn't process. Is it that fucking hard to understand?
Not to mention that XSOLLA will only refund if you have played only 30 minutes of TWZ. So paypal or cc chargeback are the only options in most cases.
I think the company deserves some of the hate. But some of the info you guys post just makes me smh at you as "informed gamers".
tl;dr - It's like asking paypal to refund a payment you made on your credit card (that is not attached to the service).
spindoctor
Member
Developer changes billing company after sales have started. Customer asks developers for a refund. They direct the refund request to a new billing company who does not have any record of the transaction. So they can't process the refund. The developers can't process the refund. Apparently, no one knows who the original billing company was and no records of any transactions were maintained. Thus customer can't get a refund unless he files a chargeback. Why? Because no one has any record of his transaction.
And you're saying this is okay?
spindoctor
Member
Pretty much.
The negativity is warranted.
You truly are this thread's dubq. So it's ok to advertise a 100-400 square km map and get an around 10 square km instead? And that's one of the many lies. Do you even know what false advertising is? Minecraft early alpha was free BTW, I played the shit out of it and Notch never did false advertising about it. Hell, classic is STILL free.
I don't care what pay to win is to you. If someone has access to items that give him an advantage(as food an ammo are) by paying for them, it's pay to win, plain and simple. That's a fact, not an opinion. You're being obtuse. And IIRC they did say that you could recover all your stuff after dying for a price in a near future.
What does that mean? That their priorities are to make a good product or that their priorities are to make a quick cash in? They are giving paid access to an alpha with few finished features, misleading information, ugly textures, crappy animations, buggy gameplay and shitty support with no refunds at all BUT with a fully working marketplace with items ready to be bought.
Yeah, keep defending that POS game. If you like the game and you like being lied to, that's up to you.
I have no idea.
LMAO. But he likes the game!!!
Their removal of WarZ overnight shows that they do take customer satisfaction into account.
They can't be blamed for letting the game on there in the first place, they can only be blamed if they did not respond to the situation in an appropriate manner (which is not the case after today).
Piercedveil
Member
I'm glad Valve did the right thing even though the game was making money. The WarZ obviously needs more work before it should be allowed to be sold on Steam.
Zomba13
Member
I don't think so. Towns was voted via greenlight which is valves hands off approval process. If the community wanted it, they got it (and apparantly the devs updated the store to make it clear it was beta/alpha/work in progress. Which I know I saw a while back as I was going to get it until I saw that) and The War Z got through because the devs/pub had a previous game on steam IIRC and that means they don't have to go through the greenlight process. It's not like the game doesn't work or anything. It functions and doesn't appear to be unplayably broken (like crashes etc). It's just a horrible product with a VERY misleading description and horrible people running the show. From what valve saw it probably seemed like a bad, but not broken, game. Valve are getting involved now because of the complaints and false advertising.
Haha, I've almost done that several times this morning.
There really is no other way: the standalone DayZ will HAVE to be called something different. It will never escape this brand confusion.
Perhaps World of ZombieCraft?
https://www.change.org/petitions/hammerpoint-interactive-full-refund-of-retail-price-of-warz-for-everyone
found this. anyone used it?
found this. anyone used it?
Even though I've been having a decent time with this game, problems aside, I've just submitted a paypal dispute to get my $14.99 back (bought it in November, still within the 40 days dispute period), since I'm pretty sure these guys are going to cut and run any day now. They've made a ton of money, and now have major backlash.. it's only a matter of time before they disappear again to repeat the cycle in a few months.
Would be better if it was 'ham fisted'
Better late than never, I always say
haha
perma ban hopefully.
shaowebb
Member
Green Yoshi
Member
Sergey Titov has the record for lowest scoring metacritic game of all time with an 8/100.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/big-rigs-over-the-road-racing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Stone
But at least it had almost four times the user rating than WarZ currently has. ^^
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/big-rigs-over-the-road-racing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Stone
But at least it had almost four times the user rating than WarZ currently has. ^^
blitzcloud
Banned
Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing was developed[6] and programmed in Ukraine[7] by California-based company Stellar Stone;[6] however, Sergey Titov was incorrectly credited as lead programmer possibly due to his involvement in creating and licensing his proprietary engine to Stellar Stone via his company TS Group Entertainment.[7]
if we are to believe wikipedia.
To be fair, Metacritic's user ratings are pretty notorious for being purposely sandbagged by people.
Still, 8/100, LOL.
ahaha
Wow. They couldn't hire an artist to do the banner?
Obviously they had to shit it out as soon as possible, to ride the DayZ hype wave.
Stitch
Gold Member
well, War Z is at 1.1
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-war-z
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-war-z
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Well, that should prove informative for people who use metacritic user review numbers for purchase decisions.
Yep. If I remember right they had art for the game up extremely quickly after the announcement. No surprise there.
I guess they forgot to hire an artist in those "2 years" of development time they claim
blitzcloud
Banned
Not like this situation hasnt been sandbagged at all. Lol
And about the artwork thing... there's an artist involved. Dont you see all the changes made on top? I also want you to go and find l4d artwork. They used photos as the base... but with models they hired to do the player looks.
Was that concept work though? That's definitely a very common thing to do. Concept artists derive ideas from real life already existing things. So you'll poke around and find their reference at some point. That's just what happens I suppose.
For WarZ, this is art slapped across the front page of their website.
blitzcloud
Banned
I can see what you're getting at. Still, it's a very good composition overall, in my eyes. The "bad" factor comes from using pictures from a show, not your own taken pictures. But I consider this not to be a proper rage factor.
PS: also it wouldnt be the first time an artist fools his superiors with heavily photo-referenced "original artwork"...
Yeah, probably nothing to get too worked up about. Maybe I would just call it a "minor league" move.
What is a proper rage factor for you? Have you found a proper rage factor in WarZ?
Plenty of rage factor to be had. But, the art is probably the least offensive thing at the moment.
blitzcloud
Banned
Steam description/game description lies (features that don't exist)
Pricing structure lie (buy in alpha to be saving money -> Release foundation has cheaper prices)
That are the two valid complaints i've seen so far. Everything else has been pure hyperbole.
Diablo III, for example.
- Purposeful brand confusion.
- Claiming they started developing this game before DayZ came out.
For me, those piss me off the most out of anything. They set out to capitalize from DayZ's success from day 1, and actually have the audacity to say "Nah, we were here first". I can't get it out of my head. Just, what a bunch of a dirtbags.
Hah, yes. Perfect example.
8/100 is too high for Big Rigs.
Innovative no-clip gameplay is not enough for 8 out of 100?
blitzcloud
Banned
First one: yes, in a way. Rocket didn't invent the Z but it's tooooo close.
Second one: they actually said dayz gave them ideas. I can see them wanting to do a zombie game before, but that's like saying nothing. I don't think they tried to bank it as if it was their idea first.
When asked about the correlation to DayZ, they have straight out said in response that the game has been in development for 2 years. Someone find me a quote.
These are the things that make up WarZ
- Backpack inventory system, can find better backpacks
- Food and drink system
- Gameplay element of having to scavenge for supplies
- Semi-perma death system
- Thrown into open map with 50 other players
- Only goal is to survive, no missions
- Game taking place in small town areas spotted amongst wilderness
- Crashed helicopters with loot
No, no that's only slightly similar to DayZ. You're right. They just borrowed a few ideas...
blitzcloud
Banned
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dayz-inspired-the-war-z-announced/099925
reading the full thing says a lot more than just "borrowed a few ideas". They admit to be heavily influenced by it and being dayz lovers.
reading the full thing says a lot more than just "borrowed a few ideas". They admit to be heavily influenced by it and being dayz lovers.