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Guy carries his ar-15 to go shopping at JC Penny

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Sullichin

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People who panic at the mere sight of a gun are more of a problem than people who carry them in public.

What does this even mean? How are people that panic at the sight of a gun causing any problems? What problem are they causing?
People don't expect to see a man with an assault rifle in a department store. Clearly, or this wouldn't be news. There's no good reason at all to have an assault rifle with you when you're buying some jeans. It's not surprising that people would freak out.

I can go to jail for sparking up a joint outside of the mall but some fucking asshole can bring an assault rifle into a department store.
 

VanWinkle

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I'm generally conservative, but stuff like this stupid gun movement are so annoying to me. I don't have any problem with somebody own a handgun responsibly for self-defense at their home, or a hunting rifle, but nobody needs an assault rifle. This guy is just a moron and I would have been freaked out if I had seen that.
 
I'm generally conservative, but stuff like this stupid gun movement are so annoying to me. I don't have any problem with somebody own a handgun responsibly for self-defense at their home, or a hunting rifle, but nobody needs an assault rifle. This guy is just a moron and I would have been freaked out if I had seen that.

Nobody needs a handgun either. Shotguns, hunting rifles are fine but thats it.
 
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I can go to jail for sparking up a joint outside of the mall but some fucking asshole can bring an assault rifle into a department store.

I don't have any problem with somebody own a handgun responsibly for self-defense at their home, or a hunting rifle, but nobody needs an assault rifle.

But the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle...

I agree the guy is an idiot, and there's no reason to flaunt a weapon around a department store. He's just making other, responsible, sane gun owners look bad
 
Nobody needs a handgun either. Shotguns, hunting rifles are fine but thats it.

but what about when it comes to protecting your home in case of a break in? I guess a shotgun would work better but my wife is small and frail and I feel more comfortable with her handling a handgun (in case im not home)
 

Kai Dracon

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Situations like this, and the people who literally stop their thought process with "it is legal! No one has any right to object or complain!", remind me: there are more "laws" that shape a society than the laws that exist on a book and record.

There are unwritten rules, and it is often these unwritten rules - we used to call these "common fucking sense" back in the day - that really hold society together. What make it function and keep people from being a bunch of shit flinging screaming monkeys.

One unwritten rule, is that you don't march around in public looking like you're a threat to life and limb, regardless of whether you can weasel out of the implied social contract by citing a civil law that supports your activity. People trying to make a statement by marching around with paramilitary weapons strapped to their back in clothing stores aren't doing anyone a favor. As remarked elsewhere, all this does is make the public more hair trigger and afriad rather than less. It does not, can not, get people used to seeing assault rifle toting survivalists because we do not live in Somalia.
 
Terrible analogy and you know it.comparing law abiding gun owners who are hurting nobody with westboro is a cheap attempt to insult their character.

The guy in the op notified police before that he was going out in public.he is military and serves this country. He deserves more respect than childish insults.

You guys can do better than that.

Well, he's banned so I guess we won't get this explained better. But all sorts of weird in this:
1) Both are law-abiding people being dicks in order to make some kind of point that most people don't agree with. Sure, many feel guns should be legal but they don't want tools walking around the fucking mall with them.
2) How does calling the police help? "Hi, I'm going to be a dick and walk around a shopping mall with a AR-15 such that you are going to get a lot of calls that waste your time . . K THX BYE?"
3) Does him being in the military give him more rights than other people?
 
but what about when it comes to protecting your home in case of a break in? I guess a shotgun would work better but my wife is small and frail and I feel more comfortable with her handling a handgun (in case im not home)

Unless she spends a lot of time shooting at the range the shotgun would better server her. A handgun isn't really going to help her.
 
I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:

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Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.
So true.   Once black people start walking around rural/suburban areas with AR-15's I suspect a lot of views would be changed.
Yeah . . . we ran that test already.

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It began shortly after the shooting of Denzil Dowell. East Bay legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill to repeal the law that permitted citizens to carry loaded weapons in public places so long as the weapons were openly displayed [see link to California Penal Code, Sections 12031 and 171.c]. What the Mulford law sought to achieve was the elimination of the Black Panther Police Patrols, and it had been tagged "the Panther Bill" by the media.
The Police Patrols had become an integral part of BPP community policy. Members of the BPP would listen to police calls on a short wave radio, rush to the scene of the arrest with law books in hand and inform the person being arrested of their constitutional rights. BPP members also happened to carry loaded weapons, which were publicly displayed, but were careful to stand no closer than ten feet from the arrest so as not to interfere with the arrest.

Passage of the Mulford Bill would essentially end the Panther Police Patrols, so the BPP sent a group to Sacramento, California on May 2nd, 1967 to protest. The group carried loaded rifles and shotguns, publicly displayed and entered the State Capitol building to read aloud Executive Mandate Number 1, which was in opposition to the Mulford Bill. They tried to enter the Assembly Chamber but were forced out of this public place where they then read Executive Mandate Number 1 out on the lawn.

The legislature responded by passing the bill, thus creating the Mulford Act, which was signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan.
This step by the Black Panther Party was enough to put them into national prominence and was a stimulus for growth of the party within the young Black population.
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html


The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill prohibiting the public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched on the California Capitol to protest the bill.[1][2] The bill was signed by California Governor Ronald Reagan and became California penal code 12031 and 171(c).


You gotta love all the irony there. A Republican guy bringing that bill. Saint Reagan signing the bill. And the modern day Fox News paranoia about the "New black panthers"
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Hey . . . it turns out they are on the same side of this issue, right?
 

Cat

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Strikes me as a stupid and irresponsible thing to do. As others in this thread have noted, other people won't know the gun isn't loaded. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.
 

prwxv3

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Impossible? Not at the pace we are going now.

Stupid? i dont know any gun owners that are in a well-regulated militia.

Do you have any idea how many guns the US has. It would be impossible to confiscate all of them. And the Second Amendment is very clear and says that the people can own and bear firearms. Not saying there should not be regulations on firearms however.
 
You know a lot of states allow open carry right? This guy has an unloaded gun and everyone freaks out. Hilarious.

How the fuck do you know its unloaded? Somehow if he was brown I doubt you think it was unloaded. This isn't the fucking wild west, sane people dont walk around with guns.
 
Do you have any idea how many guns the US has. It would be impossible to confiscate all of them. And the Second Amendment is very clear and says that the people can own and bear firearms. Not saying there should not be regulations on firearms however.

We used to have slaves too. Shit changes. Nobody's hobby is more important than a human life. The self defense argument is bull too. Countries with gun laws don't have higher burglary rates than we do.
 

Kite

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I wonder how the people in the store trying to make a "point" would feel if a guy that looked like this:

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Strolled in carrying a rifle and claiming he was just expressing his god given right to bear arms. I get the feeling they'd be running in the other direction and calling the police.
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This actually happened, back in the day Malcom X and the Black Panthers fetishized the right to carry guns as much as the current NRA does, this is a pic of them when a dozen marched into the California state capital with unloaded rifles, scaring the crap out of white people and prompting some random governor named Ronald Reagan to say "There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." I think he becomes famous later on. The NRA used to be in favor of gun control, especially after the killing of Kennedy and Dr. King. Oh the irony.

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You know a lot of states allow open carry right? This guy has an unloaded gun and everyone freaks out. Hilarious.
Judging from the gun owner to had an accidental discharge today at some gun show with a supposedly unloaded shotgun, I'd say that dumbasses who forget to clear their weapons exist. No magazine inserted doesn't mean a damn thing.
 

Hex

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Saddest part about this will be the day that these idiots make someone hesitate when someone does walk through the door with a rifle strapped to their back with bad intentions.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
You know a lot of states allow open carry right? This guy has an unloaded gun and everyone freaks out. Hilarious.

what is hilarious is that we have so many of our congressmen listening to gun nuts who have clearly lost their grip on reality

like you and others in this thread
 

water_wendi

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You know a lot of states allow open carry right? This guy has an unloaded gun and everyone freaks out. Hilarious.
ive been pretty pro-2nd Amendment until now. In the last couple months however ive been shown that the majority of gun owners are irresponsible and not very bright.
 
How the fuck do you know its unloaded? Somehow if he was brown I doubt you think it was unloaded. This isn't the fucking wild west, sane people dont walk around with guns.

Definitely tell that there is no magazine in the gun plus he has it strapped around his back. And no I am not racist so color has nothing to do with it. Lots of Americans walk around with guns everyday wither open or concealed. Deal with it.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Definitely tell that there is no magazine in the gun plus he has it strapped around his back. And no I am not racist so color has nothing to do with it. Lots of Americans walk around with guns everyday wither open or concealed. Deal with it.

if you have to say "and no i am not a racist" unprompted...

and we are "dealing with it" by enacting very strict gun control laws, bro.

the less guns in the hands of people who think like you, the safer we'll all be
 
what is hilarious is that we have so many of our congressmen listening to gun nuts who have clearly lost their grip on reality

like you and others in this thread

How have I lost my grip on reality? I don't carry a gun myself but I don't get paranoid and freak out when I see others in public carrying guns. It's perfectly legal and ok.
 
if you have to say "and no i am not a racist" unprompted...

and we are "dealing with it" by enacting very strict gun control laws, bro.

the less guns in the hands of people who think like you, the safer we'll all be

"Somehow if he was brown I doubt you think it was unloaded". This is what I was replying too. Race has nothing to do with this picture guy could be white,black,hispanic wouldn't matter to me.
 
Definitely tell that there is no magazine in the gun plus he has it strapped around his back. And no I am not racist so color has nothing to do with it. Lots of Americans walk around with guns everyday wither open or concealed. Deal with it.

Sane ones don't. And I'm sure if you saw someone in a turban walking around in a mall with a gun like that you would sit an examine the magazine. If this guy wasn't white, SWAT would have been involved and he would be lucky to be alive.
 

Sullichin

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But the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle...

I agree the guy is an idiot, and there's no reason to flaunt a weapon around a department store. He's just making other, responsible, sane gun owners look bad

I don't know anything about guns, so my bad. It's just that the video calls it an assault rifle like 90 times.
 
Sane ones don't. And I'm sure if you saw someone in a turban walking around in a mall with a gun like that you would sit an examine the magazine. If this guy wasn't white, SWAT would have been involved and he would be lucky to be alive.

Not I wouldn't. This guy received no reports from the police so people obviously did not mind that much either.
 
"Somehow if he was brown I doubt you think it was unloaded". This is what I was replying too. Race has nothing to do with this picture guy could be white,black,hispanic wouldn't matter to me.

You're looking at a picture. Think about reality and your fellow GOP/Libertarian friends. This guy would be DEAD if he wasn't white.
 
ive been pretty pro-2nd Amendment until now. In the last couple months however ive been shown that the majority of gun owners are irresponsible and not very bright.
The majority of them are responsible. But it only takes a small number of irresponsible ones to do a lot of damage.
 
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I don't know anything about guns, so my bad. It's just that the video calls it an assault rifle like 90 times.

Don't worry, it's an extremely common mistake (unfortunately).

If you're interested in learning more about the history of the term "assault weapon" and what an "assault rifle" actually is:

http://www.assaultweapon.info/
 
Terrible analogy and you know it.comparing law abiding gun owners who are hurting nobody with westboro is a cheap attempt to insult their character.

The guy in the op notified police before that he was going out in public.he is military and serves this country. He deserves more respect than childish insults.

You guys can do better than that.

Being Military means nothing when you're talking about carrying rifles while you're shopping for Chino's. And I say that having multiple friends and family members who are active duty, including my wife.

Members of our Military do not get to carry their issued weapons around outside of Qualifying or when they're In Theater. Otherwise the weapon is secured in Supply. The only exception is MP's and they're armed in exactly the same way as regular Police.

I was actually having a conversation with my wife tonight about a similar situation topic.

Some things, allowed or not, make a lot of people uncomfortable and for the sake of Society as a whole people need to to pick and choose their battles. If your Sexual Orientation makes people uncomfortable.. eff em. Fight that battle. If your collection of vintage unarmed grenades display on your work desk makes people uncomfortable... take it home. At it's most basic.. it's just courteous to society that you not make them feel their lives are at risk.
 
You're looking at a picture. Think about reality and your fellow GOP/Libertarian friends. This guy would be DEAD if he wasn't white.

This is ridiculous he has an unloaded AR he even called the police beforehand. He is also carrying a handgun on his hip which is probably loaded. Thousands of minorities carry open everyday and don't die.
 
If this guy wasn't white, many calls would had been made and you know it, lol.

Remember the Fox News on Election Day and the black panther guy just standing there being nice was a problem. Heh.
 
This is ridiculous he has an unloaded AR he even called the police beforehand. He is also carrying a handgun on his hip which is probably loaded. Thousands of minorities carry open everyday and don't die.


Open Carry or CC Pistol, Licensed in a State that allows those things is fine. A Rifle, outside of a reasonable context (such as a store or area designated for Hunting) is questionable.

The fact that he notified Police ahead of time proves that point. I can guarantee you he doesn't notify Police when he Open or Concealed Carries his Pistol by itself. He knows that people are going to be scared or uncomfortable with his rifle so he called ahead to prevent from being hassled and perhaps arrested by the Police.
 
This is ridiculous he has an unloaded AR he even called the police beforehand. He is also carrying a handgun on his hip which is probably loaded. Thousands of minorities carry open everyday and don't die.

He is also a piece of shit if he has a handgun. Again, this isn't the fucking wild west. How many minorities open carry a rifle like that? Oh wait NONE! Come on man, dont be so fucking daft. You're embarrassing us white folk.
 
Open Carry or CC Pistol, Licensed in a State that allows those things is fine. A Rifle, outside of a reasonable context (such as a store or area designated for Hunting) is questionable.

The fact that he notified Police ahead of time proves that point. I can guarantee you he doesn't notify Police when he Open or Concealed Carries his Pistol by itself. He knows that people are going to be scared or uncomfortable with his rifle so he called ahead to prevent from being hassled and perhaps arrested by the Police.

Which is what I think he was trying to point out. People were more concerned over his unloaded rifle when he has a loaded handgun on him. He carried the rifle in the store and left. Nothing happened what a surprise.
 
He is also a piece of shit if he has a handgun. Again, this isn't the fucking wild west. How many minorities open carry a rifle like that? Oh wait NONE! Come on man, dont be so fucking daft. You're embarrassing us white folk.

How is he a piece of shit if he has a handgun? It's legal and it's within his right. You're the one that's a bit daft.
 
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Do AR-15s hold more bullets than a handgun or a hunting rifle? I don't know hardly anything about guns, but I'd assume they would.

I don't either, but it looks like it has magazines of varying capacities in order to cooperate with the differing state laws on maximum capacity.

I'm not sure that really matters though. The reload time on modern guns is pretty negligible, so carrying a gun that holds 20 bullets is not much different than carrying a gun that holds 5 along with 3 additional magazines.
 
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