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Did Monolith Soft run over Square-Enix with 'X'?
- Thread starter mocolostrocolos
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Mate Ive got plenty of games to play while I wait, I honestly don't care when it comes out, it will come when it comes. All I'm saying is that it's more strange to assume it won't come out, when there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, except a bit of a long wait.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Versus is everyone's "Final Fantasy".
Getting ever closer to that Hamlet Tragedy.
Joseph Flemming
Member
Exactly! What VS. Trailer did tokkun watch? In the trailer I watched it had the same elements including firing guns... Just worse. That FD VS was made* by a much larger studio with larger resources with all of those yeArs is troubling.
Haha, well if Toriyama assassinates Nomura and takes over the project. This might happen.
With the FFXIII series it feels like Square has to finish everything it wants to do with it this gen. This is why we will get XIII-3 before Versus.
Versus can easily stand as its own product. They can rename it and/or stick it on next gen, people will buy it regardless I think. If they want to turn it into a series like XIII, or at least leave an option to do so, then they most probably will move it to next gen.
nelsonroyale
Member
To be fair, the actual combat looks faster, more fluid, and flashier in the Versus video. The mechs stuff looked pretty awesome in X, but there was nothing shown of the combat that actually looked particularly impressive.
People wonder why games take so long to make. The obsessive compulsive attention to the most mundane details that some gamers have is really sickening. How can you enjoy anything? It just shows how much on the autism spectrum some gamers are.
The animations looked fine.
Haha, well if Toriyama assassinates Nomura and takes over the project. This might happen.
Good one, nah Nomura is too busy scaming people on iOS and shitting handheld KH to focus on VsXIII
I kid, I have and love theartrythm on 3ds and have all pal released kh and love them all except for kh2 because it's shit on sticks
And people need to realise that they don't to "finish" with FFXIII or anything, they just need to move on because no one is really interested in delving more in the least interesting world Square/Squaresoft/SquareEnix ever put out.
FFVIII had a more interesting world and we didn't have to suffer through a trilogy to get to good stuffs like FFIX or another Saga game!
So uh, this might be a bit off topic, but can someone explain to me the fuss over Versus 13?
This seems to come up in like every thread - people complain and bitch and moan about how it's not out yet, how it's vaporware, how Square sucks nowadays, et al.
Maybe, I'm off base here, but isn't the Final Fantasy 13 (and its universe) generally the most disliked FF in (at least recent) history? People complained about a sequel to FF13. People complained more when they announced a sequel to a sequel.
So why exactly are people clamoring for another title in this universe? From the (old) footage that they showed, it didn't look like anything special. Seemed kind of like Crisis Core to me?
In any case, I actually do hope that Versus 13 is vaporware. I disliked 13, couldn't care less about its sequels and hope that Square is done with that shitty universe. Give me something fucking new Square.
This seems to come up in like every thread - people complain and bitch and moan about how it's not out yet, how it's vaporware, how Square sucks nowadays, et al.
Maybe, I'm off base here, but isn't the Final Fantasy 13 (and its universe) generally the most disliked FF in (at least recent) history? People complained about a sequel to FF13. People complained more when they announced a sequel to a sequel.
So why exactly are people clamoring for another title in this universe? From the (old) footage that they showed, it didn't look like anything special. Seemed kind of like Crisis Core to me?
In any case, I actually do hope that Versus 13 is vaporware. I disliked 13, couldn't care less about its sequels and hope that Square is done with that shitty universe. Give me something fucking new Square.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Because XIII series, Type 0, and Versus are all connected to each other.
Riiiight.
Should have called XIII series as a whole FFXIII.
Have XIV.
Versus as XV.
A redone Type 0 as XVI
And go from there to save people the confusion.
Riiiight.
Should have called XIII series as a whole FFXIII.
Have XIV.
Versus as XV.
A redone Type 0 as XVI
And go from there to save people the confusion.
What if "X" and Versus XIII both get released in time and both turn out to be great?
Then we have two great JRPG's to play.
Might as well expect Square and Enix to compete with quality content...
I learned this gen that resistance really is futile.
First, research every article about Versus Info, then watch every trailer, also realize that it's being done by a different team and then you will see that Versus will be NOTHING like FF13.
The only connection is the vague crystal theme and the name.
I don't know what you're trying to say.
Don't you want more great games to play instead of only one?
Sure, they look fine. Skyrim's look "fine."
Versus looks much better. It doesn't take obsession to see something extremely obvious.
And it's ironic to ask me how I can enjoy anything. I'm usually the one that likes these games while virtually everyone else just bitches the whole time.
First, research every article about Versus Info, then watch every trailer, also realize that it's being done by a different team and then you will see that Versus will be NOTHING like FF13.
The only connection is the name.
FFXII was also by a different team and it sufffered from the same development hell as FFXIII although in the end the product quality is totally different.
Seriously FFXII nearly killed Matsuno.
If it could revert to the Square of old that made ambitious quality games every month I would, believe me I would give plenty for that, I also know to keep my expectations in check.
It's actually rather amusing, from the beginning they've announced Versus as an alternative vision of what FF13 could be, as explicitly as can be a "that other team thinks FF13 should be done differently" kind of deal, thus the Versus denomination. So it's natural people who are disappointed by FF13 but still want their FF fix would gravitate to it. but at the same time it's weird, also like they'd cover all bases because they knew FF13 would be problematic.
Based on?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Of course. Everything is being pulled to XIV.
Which I'm sure only certain types of people will play due to how it's a MMO and for some that is a turnoff.
The old Square that gave you more with less has died. They were well managed and well allocated. Not so anymore.
It takes obsession to really care about it as some people do. Skyrim's are perfectly acceptable, vastly improved upon Oblivion. Do you feel you are entitled to the exact animations you want to see?
this just below
And I don't think it's reasonable to expect Square Enix to be able to pull off a Skyrim, there's nothing, like literally nothing in the history of Squaresoft that point to that.
Not even the most open ended Saga is like that.
All resources are on XIV.
And before that, all resources were on XIII-2.
I assume after XIV, resources will shift to Lightning Returns or possibly even XV.
Based on the fact that there is literally no information about it beyond a few trailers.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And this here is my problem. Final Fantasy isn't the only thing Square can make but it seems that's all it wants to put out. They rely on it too much I think. Although the trilogy of XIII really makes me bias in my way of thinking.
I don't know what entitled has to do with it. I didn't buy Skyrim and I think it looks pretty rough. I got Dragon's Dogma, Dark Souls, and plan on getting Versus. I prefer better animation. It makes the game more dynamic, fun, and entertaining.
I don't even like games in first person. I like to see my character, and see their body language, especially in combat. Good combat animation makes the whole thing fun for me.
It's obviously not the only thing, but there's no harm in pointing out which is better.
You should also realise that there's plenty that Skyrim does that DD, DS and most probably Vs don't do.
Which is exactly my point
The fun part being that Yoko Shimomura probably doesn't even remember working on that game at all at this point.
The 'animations'... god, what a pointless focus.
The one thing Square didn't lose was the ability to make games that look good. Why anyone at this point thinks Versus or anything else they release will actually be a good game, when they haven't made a good console RPG in half a decade, is the real question.
I guess that'd be the recent investor briefing, which says all japanese HD development is pushed back until Ff14 is fixed and they don't expect to launch anything but western stuff and FF14 HD-wise for roughly the next two years.
Great, so buy that game if you want. Plenty have.
The animations are still quite poor, comparatively. It's a factual statement. If you want to say something positive about Skyrim, go for it. No one's stopping you. I really enjoyed Morrowind back in the day, but have since lost interest in the series since they aren't doing enough new things to keep me interested.
So basically X has a shot at being released before Vs (if Vs is ever released that is, at this point it'll be pushed back on Orbis/Durango what have you though)
And you only buy games based on the animations?
So I guess you didn't enjoy ff7,8, or 9, morrowind etc. What horrible animations those games had I mean they weren't even in HD.
I agree, but in this generation, that seems impossible. It's not just square, its all of the major publishers that over expose their franchises. It's especially painful coming from their playstation and snes days, where they just made high quality games left and right like it was going out of style. And the majority of them weren't final fantasy titles.
I would have understood about Oblivion but Skyrim?
If you have such high standards why the hell do you expect anything from SquareEnix?
No?
And here the irony runs full circle. I'm supposed to be super reverent about Monolith and Bethesda, but you then proceed to shit on SQEX.
As I said yesterday, some of you guys are truly gigantic crybabies. Someone dares to have a different opinion from yourself, and you are on the verge of a full blown conniption.
You guys are pretty desperate. I suggest you just reread what I've written. I'm just repeating myself.
So....no kingdom hearts 3 anytime soon. *sigh* I guess KH 1.5 hd and the eventual 2.5 will suffice.
Green Mamba
Member
The constant excuses the fanbase comes up for why Versus isn't around are just pathetic. It always seems to be some other game's fault. What game will it be next year?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They are playing it safe and relying on name recognition to sell their products. Because things become limited due to having to be Final Fantasy, I'm sure several idea's are thrown out the window in some of the developer's minds.
But another point to look at is to recognize the staff that was working at Square in the SNES-PS1 era. Quite different from today's standards.
I really think the main problem is the divided teams and the fact there seemed to be a gleaming lack of overall communication. This is also evident in the PR branches as well.
For the time being expect only XIV, the 3rd and supposedly final subpar XIII series title, re-releases, and several iOS releases and browser games.
If only communication between the developers and a sensible receptor for the fanbase existed.
Smiles and Cries
Member
not going to lie, IF Square was giving Wii U some Lighting love I would take it day 1 but at least this is guaranteed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxUMMGyZcM <-- look at them views go up shit is hot, we just need to see hot girls in this game now
I enjoy a game with really great animations. Makes it fun to play. I have no idea why you think this is pointless. As you said, the game looks good. That's the point.
No, that's not what I said at all.
It's totally your right to have like Morrowing and ditch the series after that if you so choose.
Still complaining that Bethesda turned to shit when they release something perfectly competent while in the same expecting another devhouse that turned to utter crap to do something interesting with nothing to support it is downright bizarre.
It's basically someone claiming that Mario turned to shit after Sunshine and shunning Galaxy while totally be on board whatever Sonic Team did after they released Sonic 06.
Give me a reason to expect VsXIII to not turn to shit when they couldn't even manage to make a decent console game in forever, as they say "you're only as good as your last game"
A full blown conniption? That's a huge exaggeration. I just think you're finding mundane details in order to have something to criticize.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You never know with the supposed 3rd party Wii U oriented presentation Iwata hinted at, at the end of his ND presentation.
Lightning for smash believe!
The world and FF fans all over care about what you asked for.
Come on, an airship? That's every FF game.. how bout something new? That's fine if you really want that but this is a solitary dude in a rocking mech, not an entire party needing to go on adventures around the world.
For Monolith Soft to pull out an amazing looking game like this with potential multiplayer, while Square Enix takes 7+ fucking years to develop a SINGLE player game? Yeah. Square Enix really shot themselves in the foot.
Not only that, but if X is multiplayer w/ no sub fee... then all that money will likely have gone to waste with XIV 2.0.
Not only that, but if X is multiplayer w/ no sub fee... then all that money will likely have gone to waste with XIV 2.0.