zomgbbqftw
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I don't think you will find many that think PS3 was a juggernaut in 2006!
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Nintendo posts $160M net income, cuts 3DS/Wii U/NDS/Wii forecasts
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I don't think you will find many that think PS3 was a juggernaut in 2006!
tkscz
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That's not so bad for the Wii U, but if they want to see that increase, they WILL have to either make it unmistakeably clear that the WiiU is NOT just a Wii attachment, or kill off the Wii entirely so that no one can make that mistake. It's a big issue with the system in the US, most people think it's just another Wii accessory, and with most people not playing their Wiis, they just pass it up. How is it Nintendo are the only ones not seeing this?
Wow, this is a fast moving earnings thread. I have updated my 3DS vs DS comparison.
TTM after 8 quarters on sale:
3DS Hardware: 14.81
NDS Hardware: 17.98
3DS Software: 47.52
NDS Software: 79.81
The 3DS's software sales are really worrisome. They are roughly flat YOY, when they really should be growing. In the 3DS's 8th quarter, which was its second holiday quarter, they sold 20.53M units of software. In the DS's 8th quarter, which was not a holiday, they sold 24.81M units. And in the DS's 9th quarter, which was its second non-launch holiday, they sold 50.64M units.
TTM after 8 quarters on sale:
3DS Hardware: 14.81
NDS Hardware: 17.98
3DS Software: 47.52
NDS Software: 79.81
The 3DS's software sales are really worrisome. They are roughly flat YOY, when they really should be growing. In the 3DS's 8th quarter, which was its second holiday quarter, they sold 20.53M units of software. In the DS's 8th quarter, which was not a holiday, they sold 24.81M units. And in the DS's 9th quarter, which was its second non-launch holiday, they sold 50.64M units.
michaeltraps
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I'm not talking early adopters as much as what people deem acceptable to pay for a dedicated gaming device. People are willing to drop $400 on a phone or tablet, but will think twice about a console.
As time goes on, the Mario/Zelda/smash games come out, and prices drop, people will adopt in larger rates. Just like the same will happen with Sony / MS as Halo/Uncharted/etc finally release on new hardware.
Orbis and Durango will face similar issues on their launch. Nintendo is in the spotlight right now because its the first of the big 3 to launch new hardware in a drastically different tech environment (both handheld and console).
I could be wrong but I thought I remember back in the glory days of 2006-08 Nintendo kept low balling their projections and exceeding their forecasts. Oh how times have changed.
lwilliams3
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I think the point is that people may have forgotting how well other consoles may have done during their launch period.
Anyway, Iwata's statements should be interesting tomorrow. They already reduced negativity a bit by the ND, and we expect one to address third-parties soon. One of Nintendo's issues have been the delay of several games in this quarter, so if they can ensure a constant release of new games starting March, they should be able to get some good stability for the rest of the year. I would not be too surprised if they changed some things with the Basic SKU (price, features, etc) to make it more attractive.
Interfectum
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I love it when people post this shit with zero context.
Mato
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AranhaHunter
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I think Nintendo's numbers look pretty good. Profit was definitely helped by the average yen price of 1 USD ~ 90.90 yen and 1 Euro ~ 122.60 yen, compare that to Q1 for example which averaged 1 US $ = 79.31 Yen (as of June 30, 2012) and 1 Euro = 98.74 Yen (as of June 30, 2012).
Wii should crawl past the PS1. It'll become the first Nintendo console that's sold over 100 million, well done given the way it expanded the gaming audience.
DS will pass the PS2, given the PS2 has ceased production WW IIRC.
3DS will double this 30 million in its LTD. I think it'll end up close to PSP and GBA's numbers.
WiiU is overshipped, no doubt about that, but its numbers look better than I thought they would.
Not sure about lightning, but in this day and age of iphones/smartphones and ipads/tablets it's doing well, yes.
So shipments of about 3.8 - 4 million? That's.....pretty pathetic for a console's 1st year.
Wii should crawl past the PS1. It'll become the first Nintendo console that's sold over 100 million, well done given the way it expanded the gaming audience.
DS will pass the PS2, given the PS2 has ceased production WW IIRC.
3DS will double this 30 million in its LTD. I think it'll end up close to PSP and GBA's numbers.
WiiU is overshipped, no doubt about that, but its numbers look better than I thought they would.
Not sure about lightning, but in this day and age of iphones/smartphones and ipads/tablets it's doing well, yes.
So shipments of about 3.8 - 4 million? That's.....pretty pathetic for a console's 1st year.
Oh, look at this! I thought I was the only one!
Don't think it'll happen, but you do get the Famicom 30th Anniversary promotion so that's something.
They lowered forecasts of Wii U hardware, Wii U software, 3DS hardware, 3DS software, and profit. How in the world is that "pretty good"? By definition, it is worse than expected.
Exterminieren
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Black and White sold 15 million worldwide on a dying console.
Black and White 2 sold 7.5 million worldwide on a dead and buried console.
You vastly underestimate Pokemon's influence in the West.
They will never go third party.
lunchwithyuzo
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lwilliams3
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I think it is generally accepted that the 3DS may not match up with the DS in sales.
Key games like Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing did not make it overseas last year, so the 3DS didn't sell as well as it did last year (it sold well considering). The issue with release dates in oversea regions is one of the reasons why Pokemon getting a simutanous release worldwide is a big deal. This may be the year where the 3DS can hit its strive outside of Japan.
Portugeezer
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I think you missed something.
First two fellas, my post was a refute of another post that suggested tablets and smartphones may have had a negative effect on WU sales, and that Orbis/Durango share a similar sales fate for the same reason. I wasn't necessarily saying they will be sales juggernauts, just that INITIAL sales won't be affected by smartphone or tablets; the day one consumers are a different group than the ones that come later with price drops.
As for the third quote. We are obviously talking about different target consumers. Mine being the kind that bring in initial sales, yours being the more casual ones that wait for a price drop.
And I repeat, about software sales, that the main difference is the lack of Nintendogs / Bran Training phenoms. I'd like to see the comparison with the Frankfurter criteria (but maybe you already did it with your comparison), but still: all those millions lost is due to Nintendo, not third parties (Japan is the biggest culripts for slower software sales, with a loss of over 10 million sales..yes, the place where almost every third party title sell well). Animal Crossing is probably going to make numbers better, though. Especially looking at last week's Japanese numbers (for comparison: MK7 and 3D Land did less than 30k in Week 4, 2012; AC over 80k)
StreetsAhead
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Does anyone know if Nintendo has doen a Management Policy Explanation before and what it involved?
AranhaHunter
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lunchwithyuzo
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No, the numbers we have are:
Shipped:
1,320,000 Americas
900,000 Other
890,000 Japan
Sold:
890,000 US (to Dec 30th)
638,339 Japan (to Dec 30th)
118,000 France
80,000 UK
I would have hoped they'd have learned by now. The experiment with the 3DS and Wii U has shown that it simply doesn't work. Not to say some companies don't honestly try but they aren't going get people to buy because it's rare you'll have them try to lead with a new exclusive IP. Then you have companies like EA that...well yo know. Next system (home console or portable) they have to be ready to come out with a game a month for the first year to drive sales and screw what the 3rd party say as they don't move units.
Sales numbers aren't great but as said better then what some were expecting with all the doom talk going on. I wonder how much better things would have been Retro's game not been pulled from last E3 as a sign of things to go come early on. Also if something like Lego City Undercover and Pikmin 3 had actually been launch games. Good to see them back in the black, at least for the moment.
On the other hand they managed a profit. So I guess they're past Step 3.5 or 4 now.
That profit is just the appreciation of the dollars they have sitting in the bank against the yen. They just lowered their forecast from a profit to a loss, so we'll have to wait a while for the big jump to step 5.
I don't think that is generally accepted. I accept it though.
I am impressed by the Wii U software numbers! Those are good numbers.
lunchwithyuzo
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Smiles and Cries
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Wii U will have the hardest fight ever to stay alive for a Nintendo console since Gamecube, but people are comparing it to Wii which is hardly fair
gamergirly
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Yeah starting in March, Wii U should start turning around. The profit is very good news though. They need to be making money so we can get Mario, Zelda, Retro Studios, and Monolith the next 50 years
gamergirly
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Xbox 720 and PS4 will be compared to Wii too
zomgbbqftw
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They had a revaluation of foreign held assets to take into account the recent depreciation of the Yen.
Captain Smoker
Member
We should get them tomorrow.
Should be around 7.000.000 units.
Franchise comparison (shipped numbers):
Code:
WII Mario Kart Wii 32.440.000
NDS Mario Kart DS 22.570.000
N64 Mario Kart 64 9.870.000
SNES Super Mario Kart 8.760.000
3DS Mario Kart 7 ~ 7.000.000
GCN Mario Kart: Double Dash!! 6.580.000
GBA Mario Kart: Super Circuit 5.530.000OldJadedGamer
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PS3 is compared to PS2 all the time. 360 is compared to Xbox, 3DS compared to DS, Vita compared to PSP....
They are always going to be compared to their last system. It is when companies fail to beat their last systems performance does it seem "unfair". No one cried that it was unfair when the PS2 was beating the performance of the PS1 or the SNES beat the NES.
lunchwithyuzo
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November console launches compared:
Xbox 360 (2005)
hardware: 1,500,000
software: n/a
PlayStation 3 (2006)
hardware: 1,700,000
software: 5,200,000
Wii (2006)
hardware: 3,190,000
software: 17,510,000
Wii U (2012)
hardware: 3,060,000
software: 11,690,000
And launch through the following Q1:
Xbox 360 (2005)
hardware: 3,200,000
software: n/a
PlayStation 3 (2006)
hardware: 3,500,000
software: 13,300,000
Wii (2006)
hardware: 5,840,000
software: 28,840,000
Wii U (2012) projection
hardware: 4,000,000
software: 16,000,000
Xbox 360 (2005)
hardware: 1,500,000
software: n/a
PlayStation 3 (2006)
hardware: 1,700,000
software: 5,200,000
Wii (2006)
hardware: 3,190,000
software: 17,510,000
Wii U (2012)
hardware: 3,060,000
software: 11,690,000
And launch through the following Q1:
Xbox 360 (2005)
hardware: 3,200,000
software: n/a
PlayStation 3 (2006)
hardware: 3,500,000
software: 13,300,000
Wii (2006)
hardware: 5,840,000
software: 28,840,000
Wii U (2012) projection
hardware: 4,000,000
software: 16,000,000
So contrary to the opinion of the "nintendoomed" crowd the console sold pretty damn well. Almost 4 games per system too. Even I can admit the next couple months are going to be weaker though , so that revision isn't a bad idea. Also , anyone that thinks Nintendo is still doomed need look at the profit which is still higher than Sony or MS.
Maybe they want to aim big. The only way to have incentive.
Always-honest
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i feel bad for all those devs that are probably working double overtime in the coming months to try and save Nintendo's ass on E3.
RukusProvider
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It'll be a rough generation for the WiiU unless they can get the casuals back onboard which is highly unlikely.
Once the new consoles stop,being supply constrained the hurting will really be put on.
Once the new consoles stop,being supply constrained the hurting will really be put on.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Shipped =/= Sold
The actual attach ratio is nowhere near that. I think the revised 4 million projection is pretty aggressive in its own right given the lack of new content between now and the end of March.
E3 is dead, maybe not to you but certainly for Nintendo. Let's bury these silly ideas and move on.
So about Mario Kart foot print on Nintendo consoles:
SNES: 1/6 of the userbase
N64: 2/7 of the userbase
GC: 1/3 of the userbase
DS: 1/7 of the userbase
Wii: 1/3 of the userbase
3DS: 1/4 of the userbase
metalslimer
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No one was ever "saved" at E3 either. Some of the worse E3 performances of all time led to some of the best sales results
Do you mean all time or this quarter? Because Xbox (or Entertainment div of MS) had a fair amount higher profits this past quarter (over 3x).
Playstation might go close also, assuming this new hardware revision is all profitable.
zomgbbqftw
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Yup, MS 2011 springs to mind. Terrible E3, followed by 8.3m shipped in the final Q.