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Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed out on PC today
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Hot Coldman
Banned
More resources and freedom are what they deserve. Transformed is a pretty meaty game for its genre but there still could have done more. Where was Segata.
If you're in first place on the Race of Ages, he appears at the start of the second or third lap, on the rocket to redirected to space.More resources and freedom are what they deserve. Transformed is a pretty meaty game for its genre but there still could have done more. Where was Segata.
Ridiculous.
This game has a lot going against it, really:
* A lot of this game's appeal is nostalgia for past Sega games, and the PC gamer audience isn't necessarily the one that's going to have any nostalgia for these games. Veteran PC gamers remember Sierra games--not Golden Axe. I'm wondering how many of the references in this game will be completely missed by the Steam audience.
* It's a racing game, so playing it on a keyboard is already suboptimal. You instantly lose a ton of PC gamers the second you require another input device. Dark Souls did well despite this problem, but it's still a problem that games like this have.
* Even though it has a campaign, realistically, you're not going to have as much fun with the game unless you have some friends to play it with, so it has another soft requirement: you pretty much need friends playing this game to get the most out of it.
* Most Sega games are shovelware nowadays. They have a pretty bad reputation amongst gamers. When I first heard about this game, my first instinct was to dismiss it entirely as shovelware until I read all the positive rabbling about it.
* If you were just casually glancing at the game, the graphics might be a turn off to a lot of different audiences.
* Sumo's last PC racing game, Outrun 2006 Coast to Coast, dropped its internet servers about a year after the game came out. Poor support.
* Like it or not, they priced the game too high. It's an arcade racer. It would have done much better at $10 or $15, because a lot of people who play racing games only casually might have bit the bullet at that point. At $30, you really have to be into the genre. I bet this game will do really well during an inevitable Steam sale.
Coolbgdog12
Member
How can I downsample this game?? I don't get resolutions higher than 1920x1080 in the graphics settings. My other games like Batman and Farcry 3 allows me to choose those resolutions. My GFX card is a 550ti 1gb HDMI out to a 720P Toshiba TV.
Is there anywhere I can get a rundown of the tactics I need to know regarding boost stacking/stunts etc? I've messed around a bit but I don't recall a tutorial for explaining those systems.
I followed the first few steps in the downsampling OP, and those greater resolutions now appear in most game settings. Did you run the config launcher before playing the game?
I followed the first few steps in the downsampling OP, and those greater resolutions now appear in most game settings. Did you run the config launcher before playing the game?
Make sure your custom resolutions and the game are set to the same refresh rate.
Follow this thread and you'll be up and running in just a few minutes.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509076
Um, okay. We're talking PC release here. And in this sphere, Sega does not have a lousy reputation. See people cheering Sega's acquisition of Relic as the most recent evidence.
Just did some random searches for "sega pc shovelware."
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133839
"Its really weak when they are rebundling XBLA games to fill out a disk. Sega's really putting the Shovel in shovelware for this outing."
"Agreed. Every since the PSU scandal I've turned my back to sega."
"You stay classy Sega."
Yup. They have a great reputation with PC gamers.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
What's your goal here, dude?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
The PC screenshots show up just how bad this game looks. I mean, on console it has awful slow mo motion blur I haven't seen since Halo Reach, but the PC shots show just how dull and flat everything is.
Not enough blue sky's.
Not enough blue sky's.
really? .. I mean reallly?
The game looks great, in my opinion. Tons of movement in the levels and when it comes to gameplay... I'm having a blast! I guess haters gonna hate regardless but dull and flat are the last words I would use to criticize this game with.
The fuck are you talking about?
Hot Coldman
Banned
This reads like someone who hasn't actually played the game, or seen it in motion. That knee jerk post.
Not sure if serious...
If you are, can you elaborate more on dull and flat? I'm not seeing it on the PC shots.
Prophet Steve
Member
You are cherry-picking posts on some unknown forum with few replies that does not seem to have all that many negative people. Id say you would need some better arguments.
I don't really feel like spending the better part of my day collecting the avalanche of forum posts that exist on the internet slamming Sega relentlessly. In fact, it'd take months to collect all the Sega shovelware hate posts on the internet. Forums are inundated with them. Sega has a _terrible_ reputation amongst PC gamers, and you can tap dance around it all you want, but it's true.
Since you are speaking as a representative for PC gamers, which SEGA games are worthy releases on the platform, in your opinion?
This is the first time I've seen anyone mention the games price as a barrier or a negative.
I think £19.99 is pretty fair to start off with. The game is pretty new. Especially when it was only £17.99 day one at places like GMG. It ended up costing me only £13.44 after applying a voucher.
I think this will be typical Steam sale fodder for a large number of people, but of those who were serious about buying the game straight away anyway I don't think the price is a problem at all.
Two of SEGA's four core franchises are PC exclusives. I'd be interested to know what games specifically SEGA has a terrible reputation amongst PC gamers for.
Coolbgdog12
Member
Yes I did the steps on that thread a while ago and it works in some of my games such as Far Cry 3, Arkham City, Crysis 3, DMC but in this game when I start the configuration tool only 1920x1080 is shown and lower resolutions.
I'm not sure I follow. How do I set the game to a specific refresh rate?
Edit: NVM I don't know what I did but I got it to show now. I checked the custom resolution and I think I changed the refresh rate to 60 hz and saved it and it shows now. Going to see how it runs on that.
Edit2: Now it doesn't show 1920x1080 anymore.
Fragamemnon
Member
Maybe this is a troll, but I'll take the bait. Please be advised that A) I have zero nostalgia for Sega and B) I look down on kart racing as a rule. I also adore this game.
You don't need to have played Sega's games to appreciate the game's visual style, levels, and themes. Most of the stages have hooks that I don't recognize/relate to, but I deeply appreciate the tightness of the tracks, the varied color palette, and most importantly the dynamic nature of the tracks as they change from lap to lap, adding another very important layer past simply learning the optimal lines and drifts.
Anyone looking to play racing games on the PC - outside of Trackmania, which is a different beast entirely and still has a lot of controller players - will be using some sort of non-keyboard interface. There is no mythical "ton of PC gamers" segment of the Steam population that would consider this game that passes it over due to not having agreeable keyboard controls. This market simply does not exist.
The campaign is pretty beefy, has a unlockable expert difficultly for advanced players, and features a great 20-25 minute-ish replayable four-track GP mode when you just want a quick hit. It also has anonymous matchmaking if you want head to head multiplayer and don't have friends. This isn't a dedicated co-op game like a Majicka or Dungeonland, or even a game like Terraria or Minecraft where having friends really makes the game better. You can add friends to race against, that's it, and the matchmaking already provides that.
Bad reputation? Not really. They have a somewhat inconsistent output and a deranged Japanese arm that likes to go mass axing youtube videos, but they aren't in the same bin as mid 2000s Paradox (where you just assumed new releases were broken, first party or third party published), JoWood up through 2010-2011, 1C past King's Bounty/Men of War, Ubisoft during their Starforce binge, etc. That's a bad reputation. I waded through their games. I know what a bad publisher reputation looks like, and Sega doesn't have one.
I assume that when I buy a Sega game nowadays that modern releases are going to be mostly good and polished, and to only really be wary of the re-released/updated stuff from way back when.
It's a kart racer, not "sonic all-stars racing: in the dark future there will be only boost pads". Again, there is no segment of a potential audience that would be interested in a kart racing game that would be turned off by the game's use of color. It's expected in the genre.
This is a fair complaint.
You don't need to have played Sega's games to appreciate the game's visual style, levels, and themes. Most of the stages have hooks that I don't recognize/relate to, but I deeply appreciate the tightness of the tracks, the varied color palette, and most importantly the dynamic nature of the tracks as they change from lap to lap, adding another very important layer past simply learning the optimal lines and drifts.
Anyone looking to play racing games on the PC - outside of Trackmania, which is a different beast entirely and still has a lot of controller players - will be using some sort of non-keyboard interface. There is no mythical "ton of PC gamers" segment of the Steam population that would consider this game that passes it over due to not having agreeable keyboard controls. This market simply does not exist.
The campaign is pretty beefy, has a unlockable expert difficultly for advanced players, and features a great 20-25 minute-ish replayable four-track GP mode when you just want a quick hit. It also has anonymous matchmaking if you want head to head multiplayer and don't have friends. This isn't a dedicated co-op game like a Majicka or Dungeonland, or even a game like Terraria or Minecraft where having friends really makes the game better. You can add friends to race against, that's it, and the matchmaking already provides that.
Bad reputation? Not really. They have a somewhat inconsistent output and a deranged Japanese arm that likes to go mass axing youtube videos, but they aren't in the same bin as mid 2000s Paradox (where you just assumed new releases were broken, first party or third party published), JoWood up through 2010-2011, 1C past King's Bounty/Men of War, Ubisoft during their Starforce binge, etc. That's a bad reputation. I waded through their games. I know what a bad publisher reputation looks like, and Sega doesn't have one.
I assume that when I buy a Sega game nowadays that modern releases are going to be mostly good and polished, and to only really be wary of the re-released/updated stuff from way back when.
It's a kart racer, not "sonic all-stars racing: in the dark future there will be only boost pads". Again, there is no segment of a potential audience that would be interested in a kart racing game that would be turned off by the game's use of color. It's expected in the genre.
This is a fair complaint.
We can speak only for ourselves, but personally, I wouldn't be able to care less about most of these tracks if I didn't feel some nostalgia over Afterburner, Golden Axe, and so on.
You really believe that people don't skip out on games because they require a gamepad? I can point to dozens of forum posts from people who didn't buy games for this very reason. This market does exist.
Unlockable difficulties are just fluff that most people who buy games won't bother with anyway. In fact, based on the data we have, most people don't even beat the games they buy. That's why this game isn't selling on the PC. This kind of game sells at $10 because people can screw around with it for a bit, have a little fun, and put it away. Most people aren't going to unlock everything in the game and actually beat it on the hardest difficulty level. This game has a soft requirement for friends to play with.
Yes, really, they do have a bad reputation. On most forums, they're more or less a laughing stock. It's funny, really, because on Shacknews someone just linked IGN's Aliens: Colonial Marines video, and there were comments about it being a joke because Sega's name was on it.
You say that people wouldn't be turned off by the game's style, yet someone posted on this very thread about the game's art style being a turn off.
You really believe that people don't skip out on games because they require a gamepad? I can point to dozens of forum posts from people who didn't buy games for this very reason. This market does exist.
Unlockable difficulties are just fluff that most people who buy games won't bother with anyway. In fact, based on the data we have, most people don't even beat the games they buy. That's why this game isn't selling on the PC. This kind of game sells at $10 because people can screw around with it for a bit, have a little fun, and put it away. Most people aren't going to unlock everything in the game and actually beat it on the hardest difficulty level. This game has a soft requirement for friends to play with.
Yes, really, they do have a bad reputation. On most forums, they're more or less a laughing stock. It's funny, really, because on Shacknews someone just linked IGN's Aliens: Colonial Marines video, and there were comments about it being a joke because Sega's name was on it.
You say that people wouldn't be turned off by the game's style, yet someone posted on this very thread about the game's art style being a turn off.
The game has more content than a whole lot of full $60 games.
I don't like the whole, "the game is of this genre so it should be this price" line of thinking.
To put it in perspective, I think most games are too expensive and $60 is too much to spend on a game period. I didn't think Dark Souls was worth it until Amazon had it for $15.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Sega's a big developer and they have many branches.
Was the PC port of Sonic Adventure DX crap? Yeah, absolutely. Are the Sega Genesis ROMs they sell not very good? Kinda, yeah, but that's more or less true for the XBLA versions of those games, too (excluding the most recent batch).
Are the Total War games exclusive to the PC, really good, and one of Sega's best selling franchises? No doubt about it. That mostly goes for Football Manager, Universe at War, and Spiral Knights, too.
And surprise: the PC ports of Jet Set Radio, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic CD and NiGHTS are probably the best versions of those games, too.
So I say again: what's your goal, here?
People are acting surprised that this game isn't selling well on Steam, and I'm just pointing out that there's nothing surprising about it.
ambientmystic
Member
Ermm.. seriously? You're really reaching here dude. Also, other members have already dissected the rest of your arguments. Several times.
TaroYamada
Member
Your reasons are frankly misinformed and make you come across as either A. a troll, or B. clueless.
This company just saved Relic from Zenimax and NeoGAF was ecstatic, they've run Creative Assembly fantastically while expanding them to 3 major teams. Not to even mention that Football Manager is one of the most played games on Steam, second usually, after DotA 2.
brooklyniteOne
Member
Where can I find the full version of your avatar? lol Hilarious.
I wouldn't call it "dissecting" an argument when someone says that people don't choose to buy games just because they require gamepads when we can actually point to specific examples of people not buying games because they require gamepads.
I can actually provide evidence for the statements I made, and you can't.
NeoGAF is one tiny forum. Try going to any other one. The word "Sega" is toxic.
Why don't you tell us why you think this game isn't selling, since you're obviously not a troll or clueless?
Please don't spend a day scouring the internet backwoods looking for haters hating on Sega. It's not worth it. And it proves nothing. This is the internet. There's isn't a single subject in all of humanity that doesn't have a cottage industry built around haters. It proves nothing. Gaf was overwhelmingly positive about the Relic acquisition for a reason. And if you're going to assign an emotion to the internet's feeling, at least do it on an aggregate level.
Videogame forums where a bunch of furries are pissed off that Sega has abandoned their Japan series of choice? Or PC centric areas? Because you're talking about a PC release here and implied as much in the original comment. Amongst PC gamers, I can think of a whole list of publishers I'd put below Sega.
Coolbgdog12
Member
Now my game configuration won't show 1920x1080 anymore. When I first ran the game it showed but after I tried getting it to show higher resolutions 1920x1080 disappeared.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I'm not much for getting into pointless arguments, but Caporale, I think one of the big reasons your posts are getting lots of raised eyebrows is because your initial claim that this game was priced too high, when it released at an actually really reasonable price, making claims about the companies behind it that really aren't true (I don't care if maybe a few people don't like SEGA's PC output, there is a reason SEGA's ports have been praised by media and forum users alike on all of the forums I visit, including NeoGAF), and then we're discussing the sales of a game we're not even sure how it has sold and has only been out on PC for half a week.
Pft, oh, okay.
Pft, oh, okay.
The game was priced too high. This a simple budget game that wasn't priced as a simple budget game. It's not a $30 title. It just came out, and it's not even in the top 20 on Steam's best sellers list. It's already a bomb on the PC.
Where are you getting the impression that people actually like Sega? They've been a laughing stock since the Dreamcast failed.
http://forum.destructoid.com/showthread.php?16995-Why-does-SEGA-suck-now/page2&
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Okay, I get it. One of those "I live in the mid-2000s and am an anti-SEGA fanboy" agendas. Nothing to see here.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
If what I'm seeing is true, it's actually selling better on PC than it did on consoles. That won't be known for certain, because Valve doesn't release Steam sales figures, but it was in the top 20 best sellers for a while and is slowly falling.
In most places, the console versions failed to even chart.
Yeah okay now you're just making yourself out to be a blithering idiot.
TaroYamada
Member
I think some of your reasons are valid, I was speaking specifically about allegations regarding SEGA's reputation. I think those accusations are bullshit on consoles too, for the most part, after releases like Valkyria, Yakuza, Virtua Fighter 5: FS. On PC however? Out of the question; SEGA is one of the top PC publishers, period. Anybody who says otherwise is talking out their ass.
Relic couldn't have ended up in better hands in the view of most.
Why I think the game is performing poorly? I think the kart racing genre just isn't a large one on PC or the HD consoles, Blur performed poorly as well (on all platforms) and it even had a solid marketing push behind it and was developed at one of the top racing game studios in the world. Really the only franchise we see with remarkable performance in the genre is from Nintendo. Little Big Planet Karting appears to have been a failure, and I don't think Modnation Racers set the sales charts ablaze either.
It just came out, and it's at #29 right now. That's not good. Games that sold well are in the top 5 for weeks.
ambientmystic
Member
Try going to your C:\Users\(YourUserName)\Documents folder, head to the SART folder, and delete the settings.xml file inside.
That should reset it to the default state.
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