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Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed out on PC today
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BlazeHedgehog
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Well, I sure am glad I'm talking to an expert on the subject.
So, you agree with me. Kart racing games aren't games that people spend $30+ on. That's what I said. This is a $10-$15 game being sold at twice what it's worth for people. These are quick fix arcade style games that people just want to play for a little while and drop. That's my whole point.
If only I knew as much as you obviously do.
How does Mario Kart fit into your strange view?
TaroYamada
Member
That isn't what I said, you are preposterous. The game is worth the asking price, by comparison Mario Kart seems lazy (particularly as regards to graphics and visuals) and is a full-priced game on every system it releases on. Transformed is a great value, I'm not buying it right now because I'm working on backlog titles only at the moment, but if I had spare time in the amount I allot for gaming I would have pre-ordered.
I don't appreciate the personal insults, but I'll tell you why Dark Souls isn't worth more than $15 to me. It uses GFWL, which is a near deal-breaker by itself, but to top it off, you have to install an unofficial hack just to get the game to run at your monitor's native resolution. Are you kidding me? Do you think that cheap, incompetent ports like that are worth $50+? Publishers must love easy sales like you.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
People saying this isn't worth 30 bones make me want to kill myself. I feel bad if the devs are reading this garbage.
I feel so owned. Likewise, Nintendo is raking in billions and all my Wii U perceptions are also wrong.
TaroYamada
Member
He's right, you aren't counting the mesh. He's been trained in this by a professional.
If the PC version is anything like the Vita version which it probably is (and likely much better framerate!) then this game is absolutely worth whatever they are asking for. I heard $40 in US? That's a bargain. The game is designed extremely well and there is a tonne packed in. They have been really generous and it's led to a game with a lot of replayability.
My only complaints are (slight issues with) framerate on Vita, and weapons could have been cooler.
Edit- thanks for the correction below guys, that makes it even better. I paid £40 for the Vita game, that group offer 1-D_FTW mentions makes it mighty tempting to double dip and get a smooth version but my pc is completely out of order..can't even get it to last a few minutes on stock mobo settings..video glitches etc..think the graphics card (ati 4870x2) is dead - I did de-dust it a few months ago too, meh. I'll get it on PC especially if they don't give us another fps patch. Those screenshots look awesome too.
My only complaints are (slight issues with) framerate on Vita, and weapons could have been cooler.
Edit- thanks for the correction below guys, that makes it even better. I paid £40 for the Vita game, that group offer 1-D_FTW mentions makes it mighty tempting to double dip and get a smooth version but my pc is completely out of order..can't even get it to last a few minutes on stock mobo settings..video glitches etc..think the graphics card (ati 4870x2) is dead - I did de-dust it a few months ago too, meh. I'll get it on PC especially if they don't give us another fps patch. Those screenshots look awesome too.
30 dollars
TaroYamada
Member
It's $30 on PC in the US. Yupppppp. Too much!
It's 29.99. And if you get a 4 pack on Steam, or a coupon with GMG, then it can be had for 20.00 dollars.
Yeah, Destructoid is the only place that shits on Sega.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501616
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44805977&postcount=4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44805991&postcount=5
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44806355&postcount=28
Ow. That must sting!
BlazeHedgehog
Member
From over here it looks like you are looking for a reason to hate this game, or at least hate the developer. You're scraping together whatever evidence you can find, even if it's obscure or years old.
You aren't making a very sound argument, no matter what you're trying to actually do. You basically waltzed right in to the lion's den covered in lamb's blood and said "boy, I sure hope I don't get violently eviscerated today."
Any flimsy or tangential points you are making are completely deconstructed by your insistence of certain facts that are not only subjective, but more importantly outdated. You carry yourself like a man with a grudge, and you are in the wrong thread to be acting that way.
I've been trying to create a profile for this game in the Nvidia Panel, but I'm not really sure forcing any setting gives a better image quality to this game. I'll try again tomorrow and really check anti-aliasing especially. I have a GTX 660 with 2 GB of VRAM, so I should be able to put some crazy AA processing for this game. But when I tried modifying the general settings in the panel, I didn't notice any change.
I'm playing in 720p resolution (my TV's native resolution). I tried using the AA option of the game. Doesn't really change anything, or maybe it's just me.
I'm playing in 720p resolution (my TV's native resolution). I tried using the AA option of the game. Doesn't really change anything, or maybe it's just me.
I already said it stings. You got me with another 4 butt hurt console fans posting in a youtube thread. Clearly it's 4 - 0 and Sega sucks and has an abysmal reputation with PC gamers in the year 2013.
Years old? You mean the NeoGAF thread from November 2012 where everyone was trashing Sega? Really old.
I think the fact (that's right--fact) that this game is bombing is enough evidence that this game wasn't priced properly. If you read my posts, I haven't once commented on the quality of the game. I've only been talking about the fact that given the market, this game was not priced properly.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Furthermore, when people respond to your complaints, you nitpick technicalities in their arguments like it's something that actually matters.
ambientmystic
Member
Have you tried using Nvidia Inspector? A lot of PC gaffers with NVIDIA cards vouch for that program to apply things like SGSSAA, forced MSAA and other fantastic AA settings.
NVIDIA Inspector @ Guru3D
Nitpick "technicalities?" You mean "pointing out that your entire argument was based on a lie?"
Azure Dream
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Good fucking god the derail.
Coolbgdog12
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Thanks. I edited the file and put it 1920x1080 and now the configurator shows that it's at that resolution. Now to apply some more AA.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Okay, I was going to back out of this since I realized you aren't going to be swayed from your flawed logic, and I actually am getting a few chuckles reading this, but I wanted to interlude for a second.
Firstly, it is true that SEGA did and continues to have a bad reputation to get over. Rightfully so, their releases in the mid-2000s ranged from atrociousness to okay. A stigma still does stand with them, and for some, it will take a while to wash that off.
However, that stigma has never existed for the PC marketplace, at least. SEGA's always had a strange fascination with the PC platform ever since the 90s, and they have worked well to bring PC gamers, especially in the last few years, excellent ports of their titles, support developers under their wing, and treat their customers with respect and release their titles at very reasonable prices.
Their games, such as Binary Domain, Sonic Generations, Total War Shogun, many others including, yes, Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, are all quality titles. I do not believe anyone who has played Racing Transformed would argue that it is not a quality game with a lot of meat to it. And still, SEGA makes the wise decision to release these games at very reasonable prices, and have made the smart marketing move to move out of AAA development and run a more successful business with smaller budgets but delivering their content to their niches with quality titles. Two of their biggest franchises are on PC, and their recent ports to PC have all be pretty steller (not every port ever, but recently they have been on a roll). They have become and continue to be an excellent digital distributor, which hopefully stays true as it is a good fit for them.
Your arguments, all of them, either fall into being completely objective and ridiculous, or being an okay point backed-up by nonsensical 'evidence'. You seem like one of those butthurt complainers who pays so much attention to brand it can delude your senses to the actual quality of the product, and will go out of their way to try and preech their word/opinion to others. In this case, walking into a topic where almost everyone is really enjoying the game and citing why they shouldn't be enjoying it, or why the game isn't good, or the company that made it isn't good, or whatever.
And then you put yourself into a vicious cycle of rinse-and-repeat arguing that is just making you look more and more like a fool. I don't mind different opinions, but these type of 'arguments' are just facepalm worthy, not very constructive, not fun to debate, or are progressive in any way.
I'll back out, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents.
I know, I fed the troll, etc.
While I didn't help, I was worried about this. This is a quality game, and been having a lot of fun playing this on my own and looking forward to some friends getting it.
For the same reason a lot of mediocre Nintendo games such as New Super Mario Bros. sold extremely well: there were a lot of Gamecubes and Wiis collecting dust, and there was simply nothing else to play.
Do we know if the best sellers chart on Steam also includes titles bought on external sites? Because I'd wager a fair chunk of people who bought it on PC picked it up from sites like GMG.
It only includes Steam store purchases.
Number of players online includes everyone, but the Top Seller list is exclusively about the Steam store purchases.
Actually, the stigma's existed for a very long time, and it started with their dismal ports of Saturn games to the PC. Sega has a long history of pumping out shoddy ports for the PC.
I'm sorry to say that you have really poor reading comprehension, because I haven't made a single comment about the actual quality of the game. I haven't said a single thing about what people should be enjoying or whether the game is any good or whether Sega is any good. I've said that Sega has a shitty reputation amongst all gamers, and they do. I said the game isn't selling well because it wasn't priced properly, and it's not selling well. It's about as simple as that, but you can rant on emotionally just because you're so personally invested in the game you can't even read this text without seeing it as an attack on something you like even though it isn't.
There is an easy way to get an estimate:
How many people are on the game's leaderboards on PC?
Well, there are 3200 people playing Dark Souls on Steam right now, and there are 600 playing Sonic.
Rhomega Beta
Member
I'm not terribly surprised since it's a game that came out on consoles several months ago and was better marketed to them.
And just for reference, Football Manager 2013, which was released in November, has 55,976 people playing on Steam right now.
You're full of interesting little opinions.
I think I'll pick this up from Amazon. It comes with a $5 video game credit.
How many people are playing now is hardly indicative of how many it sold. I got a reasonably good score in the first GP on it and I was placed 1500. So try harder.
Azure Dream
Member
Obviously they haven't heard about Sega's terrible reputation on PC.
You realize that Sports Interactive had a _long_ history of Championship Manager games before Sega ever bought them?
You realize that most of the people who play the manager games couldn't care less about the publisher?
In fact, for more than half of the existence of Sports Interactive, they had nothing to do with Sega.
Sega picked things up for me after Generations, was fantastic on PC.
When they followed with JSR ports and now this, they're pretty much solid in my books again. Really looking forward to their new Sonic game too.
Not that it has anything to do with why this probably isn't selling great on PC.
Name a karting game that has sold well on PC after a few days of sales following a couple months gap when people could have gotten it on consoles. The fact that they still brought it over seems like a nice gesture. And thankfully they aren't fooled by the idea of charging more for smaller fanbases.
When they followed with JSR ports and now this, they're pretty much solid in my books again. Really looking forward to their new Sonic game too.
Not that it has anything to do with why this probably isn't selling great on PC.
Name a karting game that has sold well on PC after a few days of sales following a couple months gap when people could have gotten it on consoles. The fact that they still brought it over seems like a nice gesture. And thankfully they aren't fooled by the idea of charging more for smaller fanbases.
Azure Dream
Member
So why did you pick it as a specific comparison?
It's an example of a game that stayed in Steam's top 10 for multiple weeks.
Mango Positive
Member
This game is the perfect game for taking a break in between shooters and what not. It looks and feels amazing. For the first time ever, I'm getting my wife to come into the computer room to play games. She loves the Mario Kart games... Double Dash anyway, but she's never played on the PC. She couldn't believe how great it looks. She's enjoying this one much more than the other Mario Karts. Unfortunately, if it weren't for this thread, I'd have never heard of it. The asking price is totally reasonable. Hopefully we can get some word of mouth behind it.
Azure Dream
Member
There's lots of games that have done that. If Sega being the publisher isn't significant, why did you specifically choose that one?
Because I just recently noted it being in the top 10 for a while. If you want another example, Skyrim on Steam still has 35,594 players right now. It's a single player game, and it's over a year old, and it still has that many people playing on Steam. Now that's a game that sold well.
TaroYamada
Member
Oh boy, you will be one of the most fun juniors to watch in the coming weeks, I don't think you'll last long but I'll enjoy the lurking while it lasts.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Sonic & All-Star Bomba Transformed
Basileus777
Member
People are complaining about the price? It was available for $25 with $5 in credit on Amazon. If that's too expensive for a quality game at launch, then you need to find a new hobby.
TaroYamada
Member
My suggestion? Warhammer miniatures, bargain bin prices over there folks.
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