Yes. A mysterious 'dev source'.
On the other hand, We have Lherre who is a dev on gaf and he said that the machines are basically a wash. I know who I believe.
He's not saying that now.
In fact, he's saying nothing now. Take it as you will
Yes. A mysterious 'dev source'.
On the other hand, We have Lherre who is a dev on gaf and he said that the machines are basically a wash. I know who I believe.
Being "a wash" doesn't mean that one isn't slightly more powerful than the other.
Like I said before, as long as PS4 provides multitasking, a better OS than PS3, Netflix and all other catchup video streaming services. I really wouldn't care what else MS will add. I also expect Sony to offer many social features with video sharing and Livearea. Also add the fact you don't have to pay for Gold to use services like Netflix. I don't see what else MS can add to that and if they can is it a big deal and will it matter.
to me it looks like ms is gimping its console to shoehorn in its win8 business.
The first thing I that jumped out at me in the block diagram were these "CB" and "DB" blocks. Referenced here:
Then in more details here:
I wonder how to read this info. I hope someone at B3D with some knowledge comments on this.
Current specs are near PS2-Xbox power gap. Which is far from a wash.
He's not saying that now.
In fact, he's saying nothing now. Take it as you will
Current specs are near PS2-Xbox power gap. Which is far from a wash.
There's a very good reason folks who are leaking information on this forum and others are not speaking about it; these folks have families and maybe like their jobs. It was only a matter of time before leaks would be traced back and so it's best for them to stop participating in such threads.
And on the subject, so after all the crap settles we will see a repeat of the PS2 generation in terms of console power, just with a bigger gap between them.
Should be very fun to watch it all shake out!
As far as third-party games are concerned, they will probably be a wash. First party wise, I believe is where you will see the big differences.
Durango GPU is between Radeon HD 7750 and 7770.
Orbis GPU is between Radeon HD 7770 and 7850.
It's "Xbox 1.5" all over again LOL
the thing is.
When ps2 released it was the most powerful console on the market. It was basically hailed as a super computer fit to launch missiles and what not.
Here is my thing Aegies. You have clearly showed yourself to have a 'leaning' in this particular race between the two consoles.
I remember not to long ago you were telling all of us you were hearing Durango was clearly superior this being a sentiment not echoed by everyone on the board but one I took more seriously from you since I would assume you to have superior connections in the industry.
It appears though that you were wrong.
Now that's fine but you go to great efforts to spin things to Durango's favor in some way.
What were hearing from Gaming Media is:
-Orbis is more powerful(how big the gap is depends on the site)
-Devs love Orbis: Sony has taken a much more active roll in providing a friendly system.
What you tell us:
-Orbis's advantages will be nullified with components not revealed on Durango.
-Devs don't like Orbis and if anything are much more excited for Durango!
Maybe this bothers me because I wanted to believe you were right cause I love my 360 and I am really excited about Microsofts next console but you are definitely not my source for legitimate information anymore.
When did that happen?
I'm 100% certain the NDA prohibits all parties from commenting on the said subject. While Sony has improved considerably since the PS3, there are still some loopholes left however. They're quite difficult to utilize though.You can't talk specifics about each platform, NDA doesn't cover commenting on difference in power as long as you don't mention specifics. Or, if you got paid not to say anything.
information, know-how, techniques, methods, concepts, ideas, development tools or kits, emulator boards, specifications, prototypes, or trade secrets; (b) patent applications and information related thereto; (c) business, marketing, customer or sales plans, strategy or information; (d) development, design, operation, or manufacturing information;
IIRC the X360's GPU was one generation ahead of what was on PC at the time, how come we are getting old GPUs now?
Is Kotaku supposed to be running an article on Durango today/soon? It would be nice to have a more general picture if possible. For example, some info on what the controller might be like, or other interesting features.
The vast majority of consumers don't care about power. They care about games.
I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform.
Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first.
Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform.
Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first.
Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
Here is my thing Aegies. You have clearly showed yourself to have a 'leaning' in this particular race between the two consoles.
I remember not to long ago you were telling all of us you were hearing Durango was clearly superior this being a sentiment not echoed by everyone on the board but one I took more seriously from you since I would assume you to have superior connections in the industry.
It appears though that you were wrong.
So, apparently, a lot of game developers have recently received the new PS4 and XBox 3 specifications so they can be ready when the prototype devkits drop. And I got ahold of them.
No firm date has been set for either, but currently they are stating that they are both setting to launch for the Holiday season in 2013. Codename of XB3 is "Durango". PS4 Codename is "Orbis".
Both consoles are going to have Blu-Ray, with support for Single-Layer and Dual-layer, and higher-fidelity versions of their current motion control systems.
The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.
Specifications state that the PS4 will have *NO* hard drive by default, while the XB3 will come with a 500GB Hard Drive with 8GB of Flash memory. The XB3 will also have a 24/7 connectivity system which has not been entirely elaborated on, with coming support for cloud-based connectivity in 2015/2016.
Why do I have this? Well, let's just say that some major developers like EA games are currently very pissed because the PS4 specs are shitty compared to the next XBox and besides limiting their abilities in making more impressive games for the new Playstation, it's also going to shit up cross-platform titles in the same way that the lack of Blu-ray and Standard Hard Drive did with the XBox this generation, and Sony's not listening to their pleas for less shitty hardware. Right now, programmers are pretty much looking at it and comparing the two consoles like one is a high-end gaming PC and the other's a piece of shit eMachines unit from Walmart's $200 special (including monitor).
EDIT: The prototype PS4's will start hitting developers around Q3 2012.
Manufacturers cannot expect production costs to go down as quickly as they used to in the past.Sure? because then neither look that good to me: the 7770 is basically the cheapest GPU you can get for a DECENT gaming rig, since anything cheaper will seriously lack power.
IIRC the X360's GPU was one generation ahead of what was on PC at the time, how come we are getting old GPUs now?
That's the part that confuses me. Just reading the current Durango spec leaks causes confusion.
IIRC the X360's GPU was one generation ahead of what was on PC at the time, how come we are getting old GPUs now?
Where is this? I don't see that attitude reflected anywhere but from you. No other posters are saying that and no other gaming sites are reporting this.
In 2005 Sony said that the Xbox 360 is just a Xbox 1.5
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/05/25/sony-boss-kutaragi-says-f-the-xbox-1-5/
It not true of course.
When did that happen?
Bgassassin was laughed of the forum for saying that almost a year ago...
Sure? because then neither look that good to me: the 7770 is basically the cheapest GPU you can get for a DECENT gaming rig, since anything cheaper will seriously lack power.
IIRC the X360's GPU was one generation ahead of what was on PC at the time, how come we are getting old GPUs now?
I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform.
Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first.
Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform.
Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first.
Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
That's the part that confuses me. Just reading the current Durango spec leaks causes confusion.
PS3 had a stronger CPUSo, help me out here. Is this similar to 360/PS3, where the two were in the same ballpark, but PS3 was just a bit stronger?
Sure? because then neither look that good to me: the 7770 is basically the cheapest GPU you can get for a DECENT gaming rig, since anything cheaper will seriously lack power.
IIRC the X360's GPU was one generation ahead of what was on PC at the time, how come we are getting old GPUs now?
I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform.
Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first.
Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
In 2005 Sony said that the Xbox 360 is just a Xbox 1.5
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/05/25/sony-boss-kutaragi-says-f-the-xbox-1-5/
It not true of course.
What is Titan?
Agreed. I have a feeling that if there is a $100 price difference between these at launch Sony will be in real trouble.
Makes no sense in the slightest.
Yeah, but how much stronger? A lot or a bit? I'm just trying to gauge the graphical difference between the two.PS3 had a stronger CPU
360 had a stronger GPU
360 had better RAM (unified vs PS3's split)
PS4 and 720 have the same CPU
PS4 has a stronger GPU
I guess being close means something different to you? What would you define as close and what do you think will the gap mean with the rumored specs?.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2012..._more_confidence_in_the_xbox_720_than_the_ps4Where is this? I don't see that attitude reflected anywhere but from you. No other posters are saying that and no other gaming sites are reporting this.