I think this is the main problem people seem to have here, "I don't like Heavy Rain so David Cage knows nothing about creating games".
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David Cage offers nine examples of how the industry can grow up
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I think this is the main problem people seem to have here, "I don't like Heavy Rain so David Cage knows nothing about creating games".
Cerebral Assassin
Member
His Hollywood envy is pretty tiresome, especially considering how unsuited that industry is to being a role model for the games industry.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
He's the dude for Heavy Rain, right? Game with horrible basic walking mechanics.
I can get behind the idea of more games beyond, 'Let's Shoot.' Far too many games are built on the same mechanics. We agree on that.
Simpler games because, Pride!???
It gets worse from there. I would need too many expletives. I'll just say that it would be nice if more games had decent stories and experiences such as TWD and Journey.
A brave new world of even dumber systems?
Simpler games because, Pride!???
It gets worse from there. I would need too many expletives. I'll just say that it would be nice if more games had decent stories and experiences such as TWD and Journey.
Really? Most posts are addressing his points.
He probably would try to make movies if he was a better writer. He can get away with something like Heavy Rain in video games, but he would be chased out of Hollywood if he gave studios the script to that.
This is so true. Heavy Rain would be a c-tier film with a Metascore of 36, but as a game it's "unique" and of course impressive looking.
timetokill
Banned
"We should make games that have something to say. For instance, my games say BMAIDMKAFKPSJFIOAFSAINASFDHASFNASDOFNASFSMAFKASFLKASM"
Lasthope106
Member
I prefer my video games to be gamie like Dark Souls, Mario, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. If I want to experience a medium where I feel I'm gaining no mastery as I play, I would just read a book or watch tv or a movie.
Games are by definition are challenges and the more you play, the better you get. I absolutely love Telltales The Walking Dead, but strictly speaking it is more of an interactive movie than a videogame.
What we do have in this industry is a enormous amount of people that can't seem to grasp that games should not rely on cutscenes whether cinematics or in-game to tell a story. If you truly can't find a way to convey the message through gameplay, then a videogame is probably not the best medium to express said message.
Games are by definition are challenges and the more you play, the better you get. I absolutely love Telltales The Walking Dead, but strictly speaking it is more of an interactive movie than a videogame.
What we do have in this industry is a enormous amount of people that can't seem to grasp that games should not rely on cutscenes whether cinematics or in-game to tell a story. If you truly can't find a way to convey the message through gameplay, then a videogame is probably not the best medium to express said message.
Not exactly that. It's also all the shit he says. Well sorry..I want Bayonetta and DMC, some fighting games, borderlands 3, etc.
When he describes how the industry should evolve, I cringe. It's not just based on his game.
Actually his topic was first.
maverick40
Junior Member
I really really like this guy. He speaks my language.
Oh and on a side note, Sony need to buy this dev up.
Oh and on a side note, Sony need to buy this dev up.
http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1083
If I wanted to watch movies, I would. Heavy Rain was an interesting experiment, but I felt that the plot holes, general jankiness, and the move towards less interaction that is something inherently less "game" oriented. I mean, I'll probably play his next venture, but I'd be happier calling it an "interactive experience" than a game.
If I wanted to watch movies, I would. Heavy Rain was an interesting experiment, but I felt that the plot holes, general jankiness, and the move towards less interaction that is something inherently less "game" oriented. I mean, I'll probably play his next venture, but I'd be happier calling it an "interactive experience" than a game.
Oh and yes, I'm aware that Play4Real is satire. That's the joke.
Looks like people don't know what ad hominem arguments are.
In any way, lots of people in this thread are assuming a false dichotomy. He isn't saying there's no room for mechanically-focused games with lots of challenge nor that "movie games" should supercede all other genres, but that there should also be easily accessible games for the people who aren't necessarily interested in mechanics. He's talking about diversity, not homogeneity.
People need to read more reflectively and post more nuanced, otherwise they'll just continue to demonstratively prove Pachter right in terms of continuously providing fallacious arguments.
In any way, lots of people in this thread are assuming a false dichotomy. He isn't saying there's no room for mechanically-focused games with lots of challenge nor that "movie games" should supercede all other genres, but that there should also be easily accessible games for the people who aren't necessarily interested in mechanics. He's talking about diversity, not homogeneity.
People need to read more reflectively and post more nuanced, otherwise they'll just continue to demonstratively prove Pachter right in terms of continuously providing fallacious arguments.
There are. It's called Farmville and David Cage games. Angry Birds too.
SixMachine
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He pretty much said "traditional games are meaningless toys".
thequickandthedead
Member
Some people really hate David Cage.
I'm aware.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I think that a true partnership with people in Hollywood could be a great idea, but the past offerings give me pause. However, if it means that Andy Serkis is more involved in this medium, then I'm all for it.
But pretty much any heavily advertised game is dumbed down and accessible these days. Monkeys could play SC: Conviction and do well. I don't know where Mr. Cage got this idea that games today aren't easily accessible. They are. To a fault.
“Let's focus on minds of the players, and not how fast they can move their thumbs!” he says. We need to think about the journey versus the challenge. Is a game a series of obstacles, or could it be just a journey? Just a moment that you spend?"
agreed COMPLETELY.
the challenge to get "better" or get a "higher score" is getting awfully worn out after 30 years.
time to take a peak outside that box (people that like the box can continue to enjoy that box)
agreed COMPLETELY.
the challenge to get "better" or get a "higher score" is getting awfully worn out after 30 years.
time to take a peak outside that box (people that like the box can continue to enjoy that box)
I guess we see things differently.
He's saying we need to do something versus something else. He didn't say we need both...we already have both.
We need to focus on the minds of the players versus the challenge...Nope screw that. The challenge is the reason I play games. Story is fine but I need the challenge.
a video game is not a "game". christ... where have you people been for the last 30 years (of evolution in the medium)
I say we fundamentally change soccer, because, man, regular soccer is so mid-19th century England! Where's the meaning!? Don't even get me started on chess.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
That...or it reads like he's basically saying "Make more games like Heavy Rain" 9 different ways...
Herb Alpert
Banned
I don't love video games the same way he does. I think this should go theatre more often. The entertainment he seeks is here.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
That's funny, I don't see "more interactive zombie sex scenes" anywhere.
Probably having fun playing games that are, in fact, games.
Except Heavy Rain had no higher meaning, did not appeal to a wide audience (it has more in common with Saw than any other movie) and showed no signs of outside influence on the story.
Conciliator
Banned
1. Stop letting David Cage write scripts.
David Cage, stahp.
Probably like the 8th person to tell this joke, sorry.
David Cage said:
David Cage, stahp.
I agree with this but if he wants to do this why doesn't he lead the way? QD seem to be able to do what they want to within reason with Sony. So why doesn't he show others how it should be done?
I do find it rich he talks about violence though when his last game was pretty much built on it.
And from what his showed of 'Beyond' it seems more of the same just with a supernatural element.
See I disagree, if this same content had been the focus of Gabe's presentation this morning I don't think people would be drawing the same conclusions as they are now.
Then there are the people in the thread making it seem that so many other games have mastered the art of blending game play with storytelling, I would say those games are more of an exception and not the rule.
Did I like Heavy Rain? no, though I do admit certain aspects of the story were emotionally moving. If not for the massive QTE feast I could have enjoyed the story more.
Do I play games for the story and not so much the challenge of maneuvering the game itself? yes.
What about the fact that big single-player games, the games people play to obviously not compete with other people, are becoming increasingly rarer? This is, of course, despite the fact that one of the biggest games of the year was the single-player Skyrim.