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Maybe they don't have a strong belief in PS Vita.
Exactly my point.
Maybe they don't have a strong belief in PS Vita.
Wow it seem that even Panasonic and Sharp made a profit this quarter, Seems like Japan as whole is up for a resurgence in the upcoming few years.
So, is it $53M as it says in the title, or $534M as it says in the OP? And if it's the latter, why hasn't the title been changed?
So, is it $53M as it says in the title, or $534M as it says in the OP? And if it's the latter, why hasn't the title been changed?
ThisGame is 53M, Sony is 534M.
So looks like ps3 and 360 are pretty close then.
That doesn't seem like very much at all. It's the cost of one of their teams for five years, so it can't support their whole internal game development.$54m operating profit for the game division.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that quarter included holiday sales, which make or break the whole year basically. If you are having trouble reaching profit in the busiest season of the year, that can't be good considering the other three quarters.Wow it seem that even Panasonic and Sharp made a profit this quarter, Seems like Japan as whole is up for a resurgence in the upcoming few years.
Neck and neck. The PS3 should overtake the 360 by the end of this year I say. Od course at this point it's pretty meaninglessness in the grand scheme of things although you can bet Sony will do a bit of chest beating over it.
Neck and neck. The PS3 should overtake the 360 by the end of this year I say.
Yeah, I think that's until the end of the current year. After that I haven't seen any indication of forwards contracts to lock in a weak dollar after the YE.
Remember they locked in the weak dollar because they managed to trick a bunch of their suppliers into accepting USD payments as opposed to Yen so they wouldn't have to repatriate a weak dollar and lose even more on the FX markets.
That doesn't seem like very much at all. It's the cost of one of their teams for five years, so it can't support their whole internal game development.
Sony is so ashamed of PS Vita that doesn't want us to know its sales, that's pathetic.
Why did they make so much less money on games this year? I understand their games bombed but what did they have the year before during that timeframe besides Uncharted?
Probably the quarter after next.
At least for the next two quarters there won't be any arguing about PS2 shipments being included.
That doesn't seem like very much at all. It's the cost of one of their studios for five years, so it can't support their whole internal game development.
That doesn't seem like very much at all. It's the cost of one of their teams for five years, so it can't support their whole internal game development.
Zomg what are your thoughts on the performance of Sony Mobile? If I remember correctly 8.9 million units sold isn't a really high increase over last year, which is disappointing considering the T launch.
So can we put the "360 outsells ps3 in the holiday quarter" myth to rest now, or are the boosters of it going to point to the PS2/PS3 combined numbers and claim "we can't be sure"?
Combining ps2 and ps3 sales is a cheap way to inflate numbers and generate shitty articles which get a lot of traction.
Why is Sony so afraid of releasing PS3 numbers ?
And obviously the PS4 R&D. Although, the worst may yet to come: The same quarter in 2005 (Oct-Dec), the operating income for the game business 68 billion yen. The PS3 gigantic losses started in the next quarter (Jan-Mar 2006), with -61 billion yen.
It's decent enough. The T was not a desirable device in the face of iPhone 5, GS3 and the Note 2. The Z was the real Bond phone and Sony were too lttp. It's still a solid sales increase from ~6m for the same Q last year. Also, the division includes Vaio, which Sony have mentioned is responsible for the losses,
"This was due to an increase in sales of mobile phones primarily resulting from higher average selling prices, reflecting a product portfolio shift to smartphones from feature phones, and higher unit sales of smartphones, being partially offset by significantly lower sales of PCs."
Alone, I think the smartphones are now profitable, but lumped in with Vaio the division is struggling. That's partially down to Windows 8 as well which has pretty much killed all OEMs. Sony should start looking at Chromebooks to combat the downturn in Windows 8.
its funny how sony makes the majority of their money from selling health insurance in the phillipines and spiderman movies.
2013 is going to be a very bad year for them, super high investment cost for ps4, no spiderman movie.
For the holiday quarter, obviously
But remains behind in LTD.
its funny how sony makes the majority of their money from selling health insurance in the phillipines and spiderman movies.
2013 is going to be a very bad year for them, super high investment cost for ps4, no spiderman movie.
Zomg what are your thoughts on the performance of Sony Mobile? If I remember correctly 8.9 million units sold isn't a really high increase over last year, which is disappointing considering the T launch.
Neither are really in better shape than before. In fact Sharp are in worse shape, they haven't managed to refinance their debt and they also haven't shown profitability outside of one of FX gains.
It's a good thing they did diversify, because if they didn't they would be in a lot more trouble.
PS4 won't have the same losses associated with it. There is literally no custom silicon going into it. Late in 2005 Stringer forced Ken to take on the full liabilities of the STI partnership within the game division which lead to those losses. That was the first move by Stringer to force Ken out of the company. I'm pretty sure at that point Stringer (and Kaz, his protégé) knew that PS3 was in trouble, he just wanted to ensure Ken got the blame and not the electronics division, which at the time was not in such poor shape.
Is anyone listening to the overseas call?
PS4 won't have the same losses associated with it. There is literally no custom silicon going into it. Late in 2005 Stringer forced Ken to take on the full liabilities of the STI partnership within the game division which lead to those losses. That was the first move by Stringer to force Ken out of the company. I'm pretty sure at that point Stringer (and Kaz, his protégé) knew that PS3 was in trouble, he just wanted to ensure Ken got the blame and not the electronics division, which at the time was not in such poor shape.
Listened in at the tail end, didn't hear anything interesting re. game.
Surprised, actually, that no analysts apparently asked about their stance on second hand games in general given the recent rumours and impact on Gamespot stock etc.
PS4 probably won't cost the same as the PS3, yes, but that was not my point. I just said the biggest costs for PS4 may yet to come. Or that the costs associated with the PS4 last quarter may be pocket change compared to what they'll spend when they actually start the hardware production.
As for what losses they'll post, considering the game business is so weak right now, compared to the PS3 launch when PSP and PS2 were selling well, I wouldn't be surprised if they did end up being very bad despite the PS4 costing less than the PS3 (although certainly not 50 billion yen per quarter bad).
Nintendo hasn't been losing money on 3DS for awhile now.Nintendo is still losing money. Maybe Sony has looked at what they did and decided they can't stomach the losses Nintendo is eating.
Nintendo hasn't been losing money on 3DS for awhile now.
Nintendo posted a profit last quarter. 3DS rebound is well documented, even if it isn't managing to hit their lofty western projections it's future is cemented as viable (unlike Vita). The big worry now is over Wii U.I'm sure he meant overall.
When the CEO makes it sound like he might resign in a year if a certain profit isn't made... things can't be too good.
Neck and neck. The PS3 should overtake the 360 by the end of this year I say. Od course at this point it's pretty meaninglessness in the grand scheme of things although you can bet Sony will do a bit of chest beating over it.
Impressive that the game division has $53 million in profit even though PS3 dales are down, R&D for Orbis, and Vita not selling well. Profit margin on the new slim is really high apparently.
Nintendo posted a profit last quarter. 3DS rebound is well documented, even if it isn't managing to hit their lofty western projections it's future is cemented as viable (unlike Vita). The big worry now is over Wii U.
It depends on what region you live in if this matters or not. If you are posting from the US it means nothing, if you are posting from PAL it means little and we don't have many folks posting from Japan.
They must have a hell of a lineup to be expecting 1 billion yen profit next fiscal. Also, the 3DS is looking to have a solid schedule in the West this year unlike last year where most big releases were in JapanNintendo posted a profit last quarter. 3DS rebound is well documented, even if it isn't managing to hit their lofty western projections it's future is cemented as viable (unlike Vita). The big worry now is over Wii U.
Impressive that the game division has $53 million in profit even though PS3 dales are down, R&D for Orbis, and Vita not selling well. Profit margin on the new slim is really high apparently.