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But I bought it.

same here.

 

[FyreWulff]

It's probably been mentioned, but didn't the Wii CoD games sell decently? It's more a case of userbase, launching the console late and launching this version after others.

Userbase is the biggest one I think, since many would rather play with their mates on the PS3 or 360.

Yes.

Also, fun fact: Rock Band 1 sold the most on Wii. If Harmonix had implemented DLC support for that version, there's a good chance it would have been the dominant platform for RB, and not the 360.

However, Guitar Hero also sold well on Wii, and had DLC support much sooner, so it had the much more successful DLC sales of the two.

I guess what I'm saying here is Activison does fairly well on the Wii platform, and nobody sane involved expected BLOPS2 to have a stellar performance. People involved can tell the difference between launch window sales and releasing a game on an established console.

 

[Sandfox]

Mind boggling numbers, so bad.

numbers?

 

[RoombaDance]

Ok if numbers are that inaccurate, no mentions whatsoever.

If Activision actually wants to keep a good relationship with Nintendo I'm betting it's for Skylanders and possible Guitar Hero-ish revivals.

And if Nintendo wants any 3rd party support whatsoever they better keep bundling and promoting the heck out of ZombiU.

--Sorry didn't know the source was that hated. Are numbers forbidden as well? Gonna go read through the forum rules for answers to try to avoid banhammer.

 

[Opiate]

The game sold 170k so far, (yeah, yeah, ********, complain about the source) what were they expecting, half a million? CoD 3 sold well on the Wii, but since then each game has sold progressively less as it became clear that there was a big gap (at least graphically) between the Wii version and the PS360 version.

CoD is the 5th best-selling game on WiiU in North America, behind only ZombiU and Scribblenauts, and 6th best-selling globally, behind Monster Hunter and Sega Racing. The gap between Nintendo and 3rd party sales is pretty staggering, but it's always been this way. Anyone actually expecting to sell more than 300k - 1million on a Nintendo console is in for a shock. A few titles get lucky but that code has not been cracked.

Still if Nintendo wants any Western 3rd party support they better keep promoting and bundling the heck out of ZombiU. If a big exclusive like that can't hit 1 million, we have a real problem.

If Activision actually wants to keep a good relationship with Nintendo I'm betting it's for Skylanders and possible Guitar Hero-ish revivals.

Giving you 1 minute to remove that source. Hint for juniors: the name is starred out for a reason, don't try to subvert our obvious attempts to prevent you from using these sources.

 

[Effect]

Maybe it's profit-sharing issue? I can't imagine there being any other hurdles besides one having to do with money.

Maybe but that doesn't explain why EA would put up Fifa and Madden for sale on the eShop and not Mass Effect 3. With Activison none of their titles on the eShop. All of Ubisoft's are though.

 

[IrishNinja]

make the most of your penance, OP

In a few minutes. BREAKING: Two Pages Worth Of GAF Posters Write Serious Responses To Random Wordpress Blog's Anonymous Rumors

i'd click the link, but just for the inevitable Amirox joke/hate

Your shtick is getting irritating.

How about you keep your banal comments to your own crappy blog and stop shitting up threads?

We get it, you think Kokatu gets a raw deal. You don't improve things with this passive-aggressive drive by trolling every time you post.

as was said, this was uncalled for - he was right to point out the garbage source OP had (kinda surprised this thread's still open), and this had nothing to do with kotaku.

this is a problem that feeds on it itself.

a blackhole that will consume the wiiU.

i mean, posts like this are inevitable; as was said, the narrative is already written for some, so no reason to bother clicking links

 

[dream431ca]

What Activision is really saying: "Nintendo fans are smart enough not to buy COD on Nintendo consoles because the first party games are much better."

 

[artist]

numbers?

See Opiate's response to RoombaDance.

 

[Baconsammy]

So was this the mysterious game mentioned at DICE that was supposed to sell a million copies on Wii U but now the publisher thinks will never come close to it? Most people were guessing Assassins Creed 3 or Skylanders.

 

[rrs]

Console needs some time to get the ball rolling, and maybe users are waiting out for the other consoles to launch before deciding to buy something.

So was this the mysterious game mentioned at DICE that was supposed to sell a million copies on Wii U but now the publisher thinks will never come close to it? Most people were guessing Assassins Creed 3 or Skylanders.

Maybe ZombieU?

 

[Pineconn]

So was this the mysterious game mentioned at DICE that was supposed to sell a million copies on Wii U but now the publisher thinks will never come close to it? Most people were guessing Assassins Creed 3 or Skylanders.

Another valid guess is Epic Mickey 2.

 

[Oersted]

This is slightly off topic but how would you even go finding this article? I can't find anything else he has written and his twitter is suspended. Where would something like this appear for the OP to see it?

Searched around. Sooner or later, I always ended up at Emily Rogers twitter account.

 

[Pachterballs]

make the most of your penance, OP



i'd click the link, but just for the inevitable Amirox joke/hate



as was said, this was uncalled for - he was right to point out the garbage source OP had (kinda surprised this thread's still open), and this had nothing to do with kotaku.



i mean, posts like this are inevitable; as was said, the narrative is already written for some, so no reason to bother clicking links

wiiU sold less than vita in the latest media create. just saying.

my remark is also 100% true.

 

[xandaca]

So was this the mysterious game mentioned at DICE that was supposed to sell a million copies on Wii U but now the publisher thinks will never come close to it? Most people were guessing Assassins Creed 3 or Skylanders.

I would have thought it would be Skylanders. That game sold very well on the Wii by all accounts, so Activision would be reasonable in expecting a decent return on the Wii U. The COD games on Nintendo consoles don't get much attention paid to them by the publisher.

 

[Opiate]

--Sorry didn't know the source was that hated.

Whether it's hated or not, common sense should tell you that if some name is being ******* out, then that's our signal to you that you probably shouldn't use it as a source. We're not censoring the name for fun or because we're meanies.

It's sort of like people who relay messages to us from banned members. The whole point of being banned is that you cannot post on GAF; posting for them vicariously completely subverts the entire purpose of banning members.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I picked up many exclusives. Many were good to great but they weren't free of problems. Little King's Story with no pointer control was silly. Red Steel 2 had great controls but not a very exciting overworld or story. Made as a Star Wars game and earlier in the Wii's life it would have sold amazing I think. I agree with the idea of a malaise developing around a platform. Look at the people trying to get Xenoblade now - where were they when it released? They were not paying attention to the Wii anymore or figured they'd get it in a bargain bin.

Uhhh... didn't Xenoblade sell through, but wasn't counted on NPD because of its retailer exclusivity? I sure as hell haven't seen Xenoblade anywhere a short time after it was released.

 

[freddy]

Searched around. Sooner or later, I always ended up at Emily Rogers twitter account.

This is what I found.

Cached: 15 mins · Calvin Hall ‏@CalvinUnleashed.

@AceBandage85 Yo. You were one of the realest dudes at NeoGaf. Fuck those GAF mods for permabanning you.

 

[ahm998]

I bought it.

Where is my Map DLC Activistion?

They didn't release Map and they are complaining .

In my opinion they show us that they are not interested with Wii U.

 

[RoombaDance]

Giving you 1 minute to remove that source. Hint for juniors: the name is starred out for a reason, don't try to subvert our obvious attempts to prevent you from using these sources.

My apologies. I understand how it may appear, but I had no attempt to subvert the rules. I was merely commenting on the unpopularity of the source, but I thought bad numbers would be butter than no numbers. I was unaware the source was blocked before submitting (Preview button may have helped).

 

[fernoca]

That employee sounds like a huge fanboy...

-"Best version" yet has less stable framerate...than even the blurry-looking PS3 version. Looks as great as the Xbox 360 version though.

-Wiimote controls were changed..which pissed off many of the "Nintendo fans". Were fixed with a patch but...

-Each and every patch released so far...required an additional patch, since each fixed something but damaged something else.

-Even when DLC has been advertised in the back of the box, no DLC of any kind has been released on it. Not even Nuketown which was promised for many preorders.

-Wii CoD games averaged 15k players...with nearly 100 million consoles. Wii U averages 3k...with 3 million. If anything, it seems the same "Nintendo fans" bought it.

 

[IrishNinja]

wiiU sold less than vita in the latest media create. just saying.

my remark is also 100% true.

while that's true, it's not what OP was talking about, and people were directly replying to. it's also true that his source was garbage.

your remark was vague hyperbole that said nothing relevant here, balls

 

[Baconsammy]

My apologies. I understand how it may appear, but I had no attempt to subvert the rules. I was merely commenting on the unpopularity of the source, but I thought bad numbers would be butter than no numbers. I was unaware the source was blocked before submitting (Preview button may have helped).

Bad numbers are not better than no numbers. In fact they're worse.

 

[Aquamarine]

My apologies. I understand how it may appear, but I had no attempt to subvert the rules. I was merely commenting on the unpopularity of the source, but I thought bad numbers would be butter than no numbers. I was unaware the source was blocked before submitting (Preview button may have helped).

No. Bad numbers are intentionally misleading and don't have any purpose in a thread.


Here's what we DO know about Black Ops 2 sales on the Wii U:

1. From its launch to February 2nd, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 on the Wii U has sold fewer than 100,000 units in America.

2. In Europe, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 for the Wii U debuted BELOW #40. on the charts and never recovered above that, indicating it has sold very poorly.

3. In America, Black Ops 2 for the Wii U charted at #4. in its first month, #7. in its second month, and #5. in its third month (relative to all other Wii U sales).

 

[Replicant]

“Activision didn’t expect much from Wii U sales of Black Ops 2, but they sure didn’t expect it to be that abysmal. Activision gave Wii U owners the best version of Blops 2 with Off TV features, and Nintendo fans didn’t support it. It’s easy for Nintendo fans to trash publishers for not giving them ports, but publishers have wisened up. They realize Nintendo fans are all talk. Nintendo fans are vocal with their mouths, but when it’s time to open their wallets, they’ll spend that $60 on New Super Mario Bros instead.”

It's like they're asking for flames. I hope they are ready with flame-proof suits.

 

[freddy]

It's like they're asking for flames. I hope they are ready with flame-proof suits.

What if they didn't say it?

 

[GetemMa]

I get the feeling that many publishers are going to be "pissed" this time next year when the next consoles don't fly off the shelves like they expect.

I don't think slow adoption rates are going to be a problem specific to the Wii-U launch, despite many people on here feeling otherwise. It seems like an instant replay of the 3DS vs. Vita hype/debate. 3DS didn't launch well, struggled and everyone said the Vita was going to kill it once it launched because of its "competitive" price, launch games, and more powerful hardware.

With high price points, the stagnant economy, the shifting ground in the gaming industry, more subtle upgrades in graphical fidelity than previous iterations, a swelling number of big Q4 titles being cross generation with few next gen exclusives, big current gen titles like GTAV and potentially GT6 being released only 4 to 6 weeks before next gen launches, etc..etc..etc.. there are just so many obvious reasons that the new consoles will struggle.

 

[Oersted]

This is what I found.

Cached: 15 mins · Calvin Hall ‏@CalvinUnleashed.

@AceBandage85 Yo. You were one of the realest dudes at NeoGaf. Fuck those GAF mods for permabanning you.

What the..? Who is the guy? A troll?

 

[King Boo]

cod4 was the last cod i got. just gotten so bored of the series, and pretty much most fps in general.

 

[gdt]

The source is beyond useless...but damn if someone really real said that shit. Makes your soul burn and all.

 

[Replicant]

What if they didn't say it?

Then their PR department needs to do some work.

 

[Log4Girlz]

while that's true, it's not what OP was talking about, and people were directly replying to. it's also true that his source was garbage.

your remark was vague hyperbole that said nothing relevant here, balls

I don't know why the last sentence made me laugh.

 

[Oni Link 666]

Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Aquamarine]

Put your money where your mouth is.

What are you trying to imply here?

 

[NateDrake]

Put your money where your mouth is.

Monster Hunter for sure. NFS is getting a rental out me and then I'll decide from there. Also, I bought CoD Black Ops 2 for Wii U. So I've done my part!

 

[Mario]

Did you write this article?

In the OP? No. Why would you think that?

My thoughts and anecdotes on the matter are already well enough documented in the following links

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513324
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1808380/interview_mario_wynands_on_why_nextgen_could_fail.html


If Nintendo products consistently crowd out third party product from generation to generation, then it is an issue that Nintendo has to provide leadership on if they want their platforms to be more successful, whether it be around helping third parties raise the quality of their offerings or helping time releases better.

 

[Zukuu]

I think Nintendo just hopes to have 3rd party support for the future. I doubt they were fixed on that idea tho. I assume they are perfectly aware of the situation of the WII, and that the WII U will be just as outdated when the next gen sony and microsoft consoles hit the market. Obviously it'll have many 3rd party games down the line, but I doubt it'll get much AAA titles from major publishers - just like the wii did get neglected.


On a side note:
How did posting a "rumor" warrants an instant ban of a 3years old member with over 10k posts (not judging the quality tho)? Just out of fear to get insta banned, I think I'd never open a topic, even with a 100% trusted source (for me anyway).

 

[freddy]

In the OP? No. Why would you think that?

I didn't actually really think you wrote the article, but I think someone that has read your post about people cancelling WiiU titles at DICE wrote the article. A lot of what is said in the article can be directly lifted from your post.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47510424&postcount=1

 

[JaseC]

--Sorry didn't know the source was that hated. Are numbers forbidden as well? Gonna go read through the forum rules for answers to try to avoid banhammer.

VGC is known to make up figures and ninja-edit them when the official numbers are announced. It's not about "hating" something but ensuring, as much as possible, that GAF-approved sources of information are reliable. If VGC made a clear distinction between its own estimated figures and official figures the site wouldn't be banned.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I just don't understand what they expected.

They expected it to sell better.

Many people who initially bought the Wii U either 1) bought it mainly for Nintendo games

The there is 0 reason for third party to develop or publish games on Nintendo consoles.

As with most Wii U news these days, I'm mainly dumbfounded by what people expected to happen with a new console in its first three months while launching in a global recession.

Dumbfounded? Really? Well we will see if PS4 and Nextbox COD sales will be this abysmal.

 

[NateDrake]

They expected it to sell better.

The there is 0 reason for third party to develop or publish games on Nintendo consoles.


Dumbfounded? Really? Well we will see if PS4 and Nextbox COD sales will be this abysmal.

We don't even know what CoD sold on Wii U. Because this magic posting claims Activision says sales are abysmal doesn't mean anything until proven.

 

[Baconsammy]

If Nintendo products consistently crowd out third party product from generation to generation, then it is an issue that Nintendo has to provide leadership on if they want their platforms to be more successful, whether it be around helping third parties raise the quality of their offerings or helping time releases better.

It's hard for me to believe that third parties mean much to Nintendo. If they did, they wouldn't have released a console on par with current gen machines in the very same year that newer iterations of those consoles are coming out. That's not something you do if engendering third party support is high on your to-do list.

 

[Aquamarine]

We don't even know what CoD sold on Wii U. Because this magic posting claims Activision says sales are abysmal doesn't mean anything until proven.

Less than 100,000 sales in two and a half months for COD is pretty damn bad. It's a new console launch though, so low numbers are expected. But still.

 

[freddy]

It's not about "hating" something but ensuring, as much as possible, that GAF-approved sources of information are reliable.

If the numbers were from Wordpress and were posted as a rumour would it be ok?

 

[Sandfox]

Less than 100,000 sales in two and a half months for COD is pretty damn bad. It's a new console launch though, so low numbers are expected. But still.

Even then I doubt it would've sold much.

 

[AzaK]

Does owning a Wii U make you only a fan of Nintendo? Maybe people bought Call of Duty on the console they have been playing it on with friends for the past 5 years.

Ding!

No serious CoD player is going to shift to an online community that s a joke to the numbers 360 and PS3 put up.

The online is fine. But yes people won't shift from their established platforms. It's not rocket science.

So..is anyone actually reading the source and engaging in any degree of critical thinking here?

I don't think so.

Less than 100,000 sales in two and a half months for COD is pretty damn bad. It's a new console launch though, so low numbers are expected. But still.

Thats about what, 3% of consoles. That's pretty reasonable ain't it for a third party game that came out later than the consoles with 150 million install base. Didn't CoD on Wii sell about 1 million with an 80 million install base?

Anyway, the source just sounds like he's ranting.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

We don't even know what CoD sold on Wii U. Because this magic posting claims Activision says sales are abysmal doesn't mean anything until proven.

It sold like shit. There you go.

Make better games than Nintendo then. You're generic dude bro shooter #1000000000000000000 ain't gonna cut it on a Nintendo system.

What a shitty ass excuse and defense. This dudebro shooter sells tonnes on other consoles. Hell it even sold well on the Vita. There´s 0 excuses for COD selling like shit on the WiiU besides people who bought the WiiU don´t want COD.

 

[JaseC]

If the numbers were from Wordpress and were posted as a rumour would it be ok?

"Okay" as in "permissible"? I don't see why not, but you'd get laughed at if the post's data was derived from nothing but an "inside source" and the blog was created recently. Sites such as VGC get banned because they're often cited and believed by the poster to be reliable, when that's simply not the case.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

I somewhat agree with Activision. If they mentioned Nintendo Land rather than New Super Mario Bros, their commentary would be perfect. Wii U's owners pretty much bought a 300$ console to play a mini-game collection rather than solid multiplatform versions of core games.

Anyway, I can't blame them, Nintendo advertised the Wii U to be like this, hence the E3 presentation where BLOPS 2 wasn't even announced a not a single footage of Wii U's AC3 was demonstrated.

 

[Opiate]

It's hard for me to believe that third parties mean much to Nintendo. If they did, they wouldn't have released a console on par with current gen machines in the very same year that newer iterations of those consoles are coming out. That's not something you do if engendering third party support is high on your to-do list.

I don't think that's the problem. Nintendo can't reasonably compete with Sony and MS because those companies are so much larger than Nintendo; Nintendo cannot get in to a war of the wallet with Sony or Microsoft. Well, maybe present day Sony. Maybe. But Sony still has vastly more revenue streams than Nintendo does.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about moneyhats here: I'm talking about the razor/blade model. Selling cutting edge tech for a loss is something gigantic, international corporate conglomerates like Sony and Microsoft may feel they can afford, but Nintendo is correct that they cannot expect to win such a war when Sony is apparently willing to lose 5 billion dollars on the PS3 and keep on trucking like nothing happened.

That Razor/Blade model -- focusing on cutting edge tech aimed at 16-35 year old males -- is exactly what the big four publishers want. I think Nintendo would love their support very much, I just don't think they're in a position to do anything about it. I would have gone much more casual with the Wii U before I went even more hardcore. The casual market is very competitive but I can at least feasibly imagine Nintendo capturing the market again; the hardcore market, by contrast, is paved with blood where even the winners eek out tiny profit margins (e.g. Microsoft this generation).