perfectchaos007
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What's sad is this won't effect waiters at all. My mom got $2 an hour+ tips waiting tables in the late 70's, and waiters today still get $2/hour + tips. That just means the standard tipping % will artificially increase.
Yes, that's what I think. If my thinking isn't inline with reality then please tell me how I'm wrong.
On average tipped waiters and waitresses make more than minimum wage.
If anyone here is wondering, I'm generally in favor of a raise in the minimum wage.
I saw a half hour special on I think PBS a couple weeks ago that was pretty devastating and suggested otherwise. Wish I knew what it was so I could link to it...
Why would a teen working at mcdonalds, or a university student working over the summer need to earn enough to live?You don't think the minimum we should expect for people who are working should be... well... living?
You're absolutely right, that's the way things should be. And since they aren't that way, I think that government has bigger things to fix than just raising the minimum wage.But you assume that minimum wage jobs are all temporary positions that people move up from after a while. Am I right in thinking this?
When corporations deny vertical movement, people are forced to stay at the bottom.
Something has to give. It can either increase the cost of goods and services overall or raise the youth unemployment raise the youth unemployment of this country. Perhaps this won't affect big conglomerates nearly as much (like wal-mart) but it will definitely hurt small businesses the most.
Both sides of the wage debate acknowledge that most small businesses pay more than the federal minimum to attract qualified workers
Why would a teen working at mcdonalds, or a university student working over the summer need to earn enough to live?
I don't think adults that aren't young students should even be working those kinds of jobs in the first place.
Why would a teen working at mcdonalds, or a university student working over the summer need to earn enough to live?
I don't think adults that aren't young students should even be working those kinds of jobs in the first place.
No it won't. The companies that largely employ people at the minimum are huge conglomerates like Wal-Mart. Small businesses are effectively subsidizing the big businesses to kick them in the groin, since they pay into the system that pays for the difference in livable wage and not (Wal-Mart employees use government healthcare and receive food stamps more than other jobs).
Small businesses tend to pay a bit more than the large ones.
What's sad is this won't effect waiters at all. My mom got $2 an hour+ tips waiting tables in the late 70's, and waiters today still get $2/hour + tips. That just means the standard tipping % will artificially increase.
We wouldn't have to raise the minimum wage if it weren't for inflation. Just saying. The monetary policy in this country is garbage.
What's sad is this won't effect waiters at all. My mom got $2 an hour+ tips waiting tables in the late 70's, and waiters today still get $2/hour + tips. That just means the standard tipping % will artificially increase.
I don't think adults that aren't young students should even be working those kinds of jobs in the first place.
Why would a teen working at mcdonalds, or a university student working over the summer need to earn enough to live?
I don't think adults that aren't young students should even be working those kinds of jobs in the first place.
You're absolutely right, that's the way things should be. And since they aren't that way, I think that government has bigger things to fix than just raising the minimum wage.
Why is that sad? That's the free market. If she was worth more, she'd get more.
i feel like when the minimum wage goes up, so do the prices of things we buy go up.
Why would a teen working at mcdonalds, or a university student working over the summer need to earn enough to live?
I don't think adults that aren't young students should even be working those kinds of jobs in the first place.
You're absolutely right, that's the way things should be. And since they aren't that way, I think that government has bigger things to fix than just raising the minimum wage.
I saw a half hour special on I think PBS a couple weeks ago that was pretty devastating and suggested otherwise. Or at least, the weeks when a waiter makes more than minimum wage don't make up for the weeks when they earn less. When you're living paycheck to paycheck that makes it a tad difficult to survive. Wish I knew what channel this was so I could link to it...
So you don't think it can have any negative consequences at all? Not even an increase in the price of goods and services? Although to be fair that's probably going to happen regardless but it could make it worse.
Why is that sad? That's the free market. If she was worth more, she'd get more.
In a thriving economy, someone being well underpaid at a job can easily say "bye, I'm going elsewhere", and the manager would either say "okay bye" or "wait, would you stay if I increased your salary?"
Now, employers have all the leverage. employees feel fortunate just to have a job, and employers know this and can take advantage of this. "You want to leave? Okay, I have 30 applications I have in my office to replace you. Good luck finding another job out there."
A hike in minimum wage could hurt a lot of small businesses which are barely surviving at the moment.Fuck you "job creators" who only offer positions of exploitation. Nobody needs that kind of job.
Maybe they opened the wrong business. "Free market!"A hike in minimum wage could hurt a lot of small businesses which are barely surviving at the moment.
Ah. So you only like the free market when the economy is doing amazing and it's a little harder for corporations to fuck you over.
There will be a slight increase in the price of some goods, sure, but the increase in demand from the bottom rungs of the economic ladder would help the economy far more than the increase would hurt it. If you increase wages on those making minimum wage, they will spend it. It doesn't just sit there. They have to spend it. That leads to more demand and more jobs.
A hike in minimum wage could hurt a lot of small businesses which are barely surviving at the moment.
Why? Personally i'm a fan of saving my money when I can. Hell maybe when I make enough of it i'll invest some of it in bitcoins or something so that the value of my money doesn't go down with inflation.
Is my avatar influencing your tone?
A hike in minimum wage could hurt a lot of small businesses which are barely surviving at the moment.
If they hadn't opened those businesses a lot of the works that these businesses employ may have never found work.Maybe they opened the wrong business. "Free market!"
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Doesn't this prove my point?
So the employees who work for these businesses won't have jobs? And therefore no pay anymore...Of course.
If they can't pay their employees a decent wage, their business doesn't deserve to survive.
If they hadn't opened those businesses a lot of the works that these businesses employ may have never found work.
Doesn't this prove my point?
So the employees who work for these businesses won't have jobs? And therefore no pay anymore...
Because that's how GDP grows. I like saving money too, but there's no denying that increases in disposable income usually leads to greater consumption in the macroeconomy.Why? Personally i'm a fan of saving my money when I can. Hell maybe when I make enough of it i'll invest some of it in bitcoins or something so that the value of my money doesn't go down with inflation.
So the employees who work for these businesses won't have jobs? And therefore no pay anymore...
A hike in minimum wage could hurt a lot of small businesses which are barely surviving at the moment.
Because that's how GDP grows. I like saving money too, but there's no denying that increases in disposable income usually leads to greater consumption in the macroeconomy.
Sure but i'm just saying that not every single person is gonna spend the exact same way. In fact during a recession I can argue it's a very good idea to save your money.
Sure but i'm just saying that not every single person is gonna spend the exact same way. In fact during a recession I can argue it's a very good idea to save your money.
You do realizes that people who live on minimum wage can't save money at all because they just don't make enough. This gives a push towards wages being what they should be not what they are.
Yes, that's what I think. If my thinking isn't inline with reality then please tell me how I'm wrong.
I don't see how my post wasn't adding anything to this discussion. I posted what I thought about a possible increase to minimum wage and what I think would be a better long term solution. Once again, If my thinking is wrong I'd seriously like to know why it is.
It can only go up so much...
The real solution is for people to who work low skilled jobs to get skills and try to get jobs that pay more. Raising the minimum wage can only do so much (not a lot). It's not as if they're going to double minimum wage.
Also, since when were minimum wage jobs supposed to provide enough income to live on?
Well you can use this same logic to support tax cuts for Americans (and not just the rich otherwise that's just stupid and counterproductive).
I do support tax cuts for people living on minimum wage.Well you can use this same logic to support tax cuts for Americans (and not just the rich otherwise that's just stupid and counterproductive).