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PSA: Tomb Raider (PSN-DD version) does not have online-only DRM
- Thread starter Wario64
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Jan-Feb 2013.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Why didn't you have internet?
What game was asking you that needed the Steam Client to run?
In your case, perhaps; but broadly, no, it's not. People having issues with Offline Mode post-fix are the rare exception, not the rule, and I say this as somebody who had nothing but trouble with it in the past. What issue were you having with it, exactly?
I moved to a new home and the stupid ISP didn't install the WiMAX till 29 Feb, and the steam client didn't want to open because it needed to be on-line first to go offline.
It wanted you to log-in, as your username and password weren't saved?
oconnomiyaki
Member
I just moved house. It took them two weeks to get out internet hooked up. This kind of shit is so anti-consumer.
Far as I know this is only true as a technicality (counting in Steam games and other PC DD titles not from GOG.) On PSN so long as the system's authorized to that account it can play the games, and as long as it's the original system the game was downloaded to (or it was authorized to the owner's account) it will work across accounts on XBL, it's only when playing on someone else's system or one you didn't do the activation for that it requires you to be online first which... frankly, fair enough. Just as long as I don't have to worry about it on my primary system.
That isn't the case here, and even then most games on Steam are fine offline so long as you did that initial install, so it's bullshit.
Password and user were saved, it wanted to go online!
You could still buy the retail version that doesn't have this requirement.
Those anti-consumer DRM practices are the reason why I'm not looking forward to a download-only future and I'm afraid when/if publishers start to use them for retail console games as well :/
What?
I have multiple accounts on my PS3 with various games dispersed throughout. Every single one of them work on my main account since I've avoided any with this type of DRM, and I have ~30 downloaded games not including PS+.
How are you getting it for $39.99? It shows $59.99 on the store.
I think steam's offline mode only works if you set it to offline mode after you'd connected to it online. So connect to it online and then set it to offline mode. Offline should then work without an internet connection.
Because no one buys PSN games.
ionicbluebird
Member
Yeah, it's pretty stupid.
That used to be the case. I tried to "break" Offline Mode after Valve finally released a fix but it continued to work fine for me. I don't doubt some still encounter issues from time to time but the idea that Offline Mode is still utterly and truly broken, making Steam games practically identical to this case of online-only DRM, is patently false.
Not the reason when only about 4 games did this before, and all before the PSN hacking incident and when you could activate 5 consoles. After that incident and with the limit knocked down to 2 it's bullshit to implant anyway. Nevermind that unless somehow ONLY this got noticed we had tons of retail games hit PSN without this crap bogging them down, so SE's just being assholes.
toddhunter
Member
No. It is easy enough to test. Just drop offline and start steam.
I believe if you are having trouble disable your network interfaces. Even if you don't have net, steam might believe you do and you will get the "could not connect to server" message instead.
No you could, but you would have to wait 24hrs before using it on either account.
Fucking stupid. I'm one of those people who doesn't have a big issue with the rumored 720 being "always online" becuase I assume it will not be "always" online. There is a system in place right this instant that solves this issue. Microsoft employs it and Sony does usually as well. The game is tied to your account and the console. So anyone can play the game on the console it was purchased on both online and offline. If you download the game on another device then you need to be signed into the profile that purchased it. Every 6 months you can move the original console license to another device if your console dies or something. This is the perfect solution between always on crazy DRM and totally DRM free. Sony should not allow this practice. This serves no purpose other than to penalize consumers. I might understand if this was a game that relied on servers and they were trying to protect it from cheating, duping etc.
famousmortimer
Banned
Just for the record, I wasn't saying - at all - that I support this DRM. My only point was that it isn't new. It pops up a couple times a year. It's the reason I didn't buy NBA 2k13 on the PS3, actually. As soon as I saw that I decided to wait for the PC version.
NBA 2k13 PC fun fact: You can't challenge friends online. Quick match against randoms only. So fuck you - twice - to 2K.
NBA 2k13 PC fun fact: You can't challenge friends online. Quick match against randoms only. So fuck you - twice - to 2K.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Game sharing? As I understand, Sony reduced the number of activations from 5 to 2, but that's still one too many for some publishers it seems. In theory, you could download the game on your machine, give your friend your PSN credentials and he could download the game on his machines. This essentially put an end to such a practise.
This might also be a prelude to what third party developers/publishers will do on PS4. Sony have already said they won't stop them from implementing whatever measures they see fit, so I expect this to soon become the norm with physical releases too.
Then those publishers should get lower sales for this kind of crap, because while 5 was ripe for abuse 2 usually means something like one other person at most. A person who you'd PROBABLY just lend the game to if you got it physically, like a family member or friend.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Your loss man. The game is brilliant.
Unknown One
Member
I did posted in the past that these actions was possible on current gen consoles. Adding SE to my Ubisoft boycott.
CambriaRising
Member
I'm not bullshitting at all. Most of the content on my ps3 gives my wife's account a wall when it is started.
This isn't the first game that's done this on PSN: -
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/21/ps3-final-fight-double-impact-requires-psn-connection/
Can you list some examples? I'm curious if this is for more recent stuff and somehow only TR got noticed beforehand, or maybe if it's for DLC and things are screwy on that front.
Warhawk (and SOCOM?) came before, but as you needed to play them online to get the most out of them anyway that was more an issue of not being able to share between accounts on the same system, not easily anyway. If PSN was down for example it'd make little practical difference.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Please name them...
I have 4 concurrent accounts running right now
My main, EU PS+, German account, UK Account every game is working flawlessly for me on my main
Unless you made her a secondary account underneath you (sub account), but even then I have that and have played game I purchased on my main on that secondary account
Miles Quaritch
Member
I agree. I'm not arguing in favour of such draconian measures, but I can see the other side of the argument.
I fear it's a herald of a dark future. What we're seeing with Tomb Raider might only be a glimpse into how digital content will work next generation.
Sony can't reduce their activations by any more as the second is required for PS Vita and is vital for their cross console purchasing scheme. I can't help but see a future where more and more developers implement a similar but not as intrusive or sloppy form of DRM to ensure game sharing is all but eliminated.
googleplex
Member
This is totally shitty, and but it's the flip side of having such an open platform. Sony gives publishers a huge amount of leeway on PSN.
toddhunter
Member
Yep I've been buying off of my US PSN account for most of the gen but I always play on my Australian one (because you know...half the price).
Never had an issue.
electroshockwave
Member
Unless most of your content consists of Final Fight and the few other games that you could count on one hand requiring you to be online then you're full of shit.
Sleeplessnights
Banned
Only one account per PS3? So I have to buy the game twice? Once for me and another for my brother? Like when Warhawk first came out?
That only happened to me with full game trials.
That only happened to me with full game trials.
Actually handhelds have their own limit, but that's not the big problem here. It's that 2 allows for some people to either A. own two systems, IE one in a bedroom and one in a living room, B. have an account on a friend's console (or family member, but that can blur with A) so they can jump into a game at their place, though unlike XBL it doesn't allow multiple simultaneous sign ins, and C. in either case it's useful for cloud saves, especially A as you can have both auto sign in and update and (I assume) kept synchronized. Though maybe consoles don't NEED to be activated for that, but it'd sure be less of a pain.
In any case, it's still only one possible other system unless you're willing to REALLY jump through hoops to play the game for free, and if that's more your thing there's other platforms better suited for real piracy, assuming it even is a pain on the PS3.
Yes we know you need the internet to install and download. But if my internet is down I can still play my installed Steam library same as I can my console library I like that feature. Remember everyone screams that they want an all digital future but dont want the bullshit that may be tied to it.
Also someone mentioned about having Steam offline issues, if you make sure you have cookies accepted and log in to the website then put the client into offline mode it will run fine, it seems it has stored your user details so offline mode will function correctly. Worked for myself and my brother no problem.
Buy the retail version which will priced all over the place.
You have sign into steam to use offline mode.
swordsman720
Banned
Sony does stealht mode and pepares for PS4 launch.
How about the xbox360 version, does it also requires live gold to launch the game?
How about the xbox360 version, does it also requires live gold to launch the game?