Okay here are the previous sales for the franchises. Were I to make expectations for my financial projections, I would probably - at most optimistic - add one million to the previous entry.
LOL. Deus Ex did good considering where it came from.
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Square Enix's insane sales targets for Tomb Raider, Hitman, & Sleeping Dogs revealed
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LOL. Deus Ex did good considering where it came from.
cj_iwakura
Member
Or: "Versus ain't gonna fund itself"
A scapegoat will be needed soon enough...
And shipping 3.4 million in a month was a healthy increase!
[glib]I blame cocaine. If Eidos offered SE management some they deserve their fate...[/glib]
OJdaKiller
Member
Just bought Sleeping Dogs last week and it's great. Very fun action game and good story. Lots of completionist/collection crap to obsess over.
Seems so much better than the GTA series. I hope there will be a sequel.
Seems so much better than the GTA series. I hope there will be a sequel.
It's Eido's fault because versus XIII sold exactly the 0 number of copies they expected. And it meets its target every year they don't release it.
If only the rest of the company was this good.
Yeah, I didn't know that they were all owned by Eidos. So either Eidos gonna get slammed, or Eidos throws their devs under the bus.
Really hope nobody gets screwed because those are some fucking unrealistic numbers considering the popularity of the series before these games came out. Seems like shit management to me. I don't want to see IO Interactive die anytime soon.
Larson Conway
Member
So they were basically expecting Tomb Raider, which came out March 8, to sell 5 million only after one month?
WOW.
Watch them ship 7 million copies at launch.
Please be excited for Lightning Returns.
Wada already resigned.
This man understands.100% worth it for Olga Kurylenko.
I know you hate Tomb Raider, but it and Sleeping Dogs are some of the best games I've played in the last 9 months.
Never played Hitman, didn't even know a new one was coming. I've heard all about how much it sucks. At least the graphics are good for the screenshot threads.
Professor Beef
Banned
If Tomb Raider doesn't break 1.2 million, it will officially have done worse than Shenmue.
SE be cray.
This is pretty much it.
"Please be excited."
Doesn't mean that these are needed for the games to breakeven or something, this just says they expected to ship these numbers, which is insane.
This is pretty much it.
"Please be excited."
Doesn't mean that these are needed for the games to breakeven or something, this just says they expected to ship these numbers, which is insane.
No, it's Square's fault for setting sales expectations that high when only one of those franchises is actually capable of selling more than 3 million.
BTW, I should've been more specific: this is gonna come down hard on their entire Western division, not just Eidos. We know how this works: they hype up the IP, the game goes bomba (relative to their sales expectations, of course), the studio gets closed or sold. It's a damn shame, too...
Not that bad.
Damn, good damn riddance Wada, particularly if these are the kind of projections he's basing things on. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if these ridiculous projections were being used to keep numbers up while the Japanese devs on the SE side twiddled their thumbs all generation putting out crap title after crap title.
Agreed. Loved both Sleeping Dogs and Tomb Raider, put a combined 100 hours into these two titles.
InsaneZero
Member
Feel sorry for the management that'll have to clean up after this mess of expectations.
The games that Eidos released did fine critically. While Eidos MIGHT hear something from SE, this is basically all on SE. No one deserves to be hammered on the head in this situation but SE. Eidos created fine products. SE thought something different and ran with it rather than be realistic. Heck, even if they were idealistic the numbers created in such a position would be better than what they gave. There's realistic, idealistic, then outright lunatic.
Can Crusher
Banned
Square Enix must think all you need is a marketing campaign and you got the next COD on your hands.
5 to 6 million units on launch month? What are those guys smoking?!
5 to 6 million units on launch month? What are those guys smoking?!
Hero_of_the_Day
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So they expected Tomb Raider and Hitman to double their sales from their previous entries? Why?
FullMetalx117
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Hopefully Tomb Raider reaches its target. That game is pretty damn good. Plus it was fun reading all the meltdowns by the haters in the review thread.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I told you all...
I don't think they would be slammed. The Wada's final report was pretty transparent in that they tried to shift the blame of his own incompetence to Eidos/WesternMarket.
I don't think they would be slammed. The Wada's final report was pretty transparent in that they tried to shift the blame of his own incompetence to Eidos/WesternMarket.
Whiteshirt
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It has far more to do with bad management if that value is a breakeven number. Ignoring that, most of these projects should have been killed long before completion because none of them are really better than the competition (sans maybe Sleeping Dogs and that has more to do with the Hong Kong locale than actual gameplay).
Didn't they have absurd expectations for sales of Chrono Trigger DS? Like, several hundred thousand wasn't enough? While there's something to be said for budgets spiraling out of control it seems to me that SE's just kind of fucked in the head when it comes to sales expectations period.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
That's a lot of fucking stock in warehouses collecting dust, Holy Shit!
So if I buy Tomb Raider say July 2014 for $4.99 I'll still be buying a first print run copy?
If Ass Creed can do it, so can we!
So if I buy Tomb Raider say July 2014 for $4.99 I'll still be buying a first print run copy?
If Ass Creed can do it, so can we!
InsaneZero
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Even if it reaches its sales target down the road, it'd be with lowered base prices so it wouldn't match the expected revenue.
i remember reading somewhere that their projections for the first one was 1M but i've never been able to find that source again
sure, it's possible. these are still high figures. they could've still been insane and predicted a return of 100%+ somehow.
Price protection will the SE's dagger in the back on this one.
Good ol' pisspoor management.
I'm sure the new management team can make room for some more.
lol
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I'm ready for a Fire Sale!
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
IN GDC one of the Tomb Riders developers was pretty happy to announce that the game had the best launch in its franchise history...
So yes, it seems to me that it was Square Japan Bullshiting the investors...
Jesus. As much as I love the Hitman franchise, they really expect Absolution to not simply outsell all of the previous games, but at 5 million units? What the fuck? The Hitman series is usually a slow burner for sales I thought, and Absolution's changes all but killed the legs it could have had.