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[megabytecr]

Apparently, it's not one of the platforms that will keep his company going. A quippy comment at a trade show isn't going to have any real impact on Epic's future.

That is a sad way of thinking. Always be humble and polite, you dont know what may happen in the future, and most of the time, you may have to eat your words. Also you don't know if a potential client might get off by watching unproffesional behaviour. Just saying I dont give a damn really.

 

[netBuff]

That is a sad way of thinking. Always be humble and polite, you dont know what may happen in the future, and most of the time, you may have to eat your words. Also you don't know if a potential client might get off by watching unproffesional behaviour. Just saying I dont give a damn really.

I'm not part of the gaming industry, I don't have anything to gain from everyone acting "professionally" in regards to Nintendo.

 

[Kimawolf]

I'm not part of the gaming industry, I don't have anything to gain from everyone acting "professionally" in regards to Nintendo.

sure you do. THQ can happen to anyone lol, even companies you like. Best to not burn bridges.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I'm not part of the gaming industry, I don't have anything to gain from everyone acting "professionally" in regards to Nintendo.

Yes you are

 

[Soriku]

If I currently think that I'm MAYBE not going to work with client X, I'm STILL not gonna publicly joke about that idea to get a few claps, laughs and fists thrown in the air at its expense.
There is absolutely NOTHING to gain by doing this except getting people angry and possibly relationships with that company more complicated in return.

I don't think Epic and Nintendo have any sort of a relationship...

Not that I don't agree though.

 

[netBuff]

sure you do. THQ can happen to anyone lol, even companies you like. Best to not burn bridges.

THQ went down because they made unfavourable comments about Nintendo? News to me!

Yes you are

No, I'm not.

 

[MYE]

Without any first-hand experience on how it was said, this seems like you're inferring much about the general tone of his comments.

Even then, this really isn't all that severe.

Doesnt matter how severe it is, in this case laughing after being asked that question was enough it seems. And he clearly sees that too or else he wouldnt "apologize".
All I'm saying is that comments like these, as innocent as they might be, always seem to do more harm than good. So why bother?

 

[netBuff]

Doesnt matter how severe it is, in this case laughing after being asked that question was enough it seems. And he clearly sees that too or else he wouldnt "apologize".
All I'm saying is that comments like these, as innocent as they might be, always seem to do more harm than good. So why bother?

It's certainly much more sensible to not make such comments in public, he clearly shouldn't have. But I'm not going to get offended for Nintendo and make disparaging comments on message boards about it.

And let's not seriously entertain the idea this incident is going to have any real impact on Epic's business.

 

[MYE]

It's certainly much more sensible to not make such comments in public, he clearly shouldn't have. But I'm not going to get offended for Nintendo and make disparaging comments on message boards about it.

Just to be clear, I'm not defending fanboy shit talk. At all. But it is what it is and everyone experienced with how most internet communities work knows its a reality that should be taken into consideration when sharing your thoughts with said community.

And let's not seriously entertain the idea this incident is going to have any real impact on Epic's business.

Its giving people on the internet fuel to make Mark Rein sound like a douchebag for a couple of days. Maybe its only a fart in the wind, but still a completely avoidable fart nonetheless.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Just to be clear, I'm not defending fanboy shit talk. At all. But it is what it is and everyone experienced with how most internet communities work knows its a reality that should be taken into consideration when sharing your thoughts with said community.



Its giving people on the internet fuel to make Mark Rein sound like a douchebag for a couple of days. Maybe its only a fart in the wind, but still a completely avoidable fart nonetheless.

Maybe he didn't want to avoid the fart, maybe he wanted to let the fart out.

 

[megabytecr]

Maybe he didn't want to avoid the fart, maybe he wanted to let the fart out.

Then he now needs to smell it, and it does smell like shit.

edit: lol, you start talking about the industry and business decisions and at the end it is just farts and shit. Everything comes down to farts and shit.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Doesnt matter how severe it is, in this case laughing after being asked that question was enough it seems. And he clearly sees that too or else he wouldnt "apologize".
All I'm saying is that comments like these, as innocent as they might be, always seem to do more harm than good. So why bother?

This was my main beef with the whole thing. What was the point? It's not like some offhand joke you'd say to your friends, or even on a message board like GAF. He knew damn well this information was going to get out to the public, and regardless of it hurting Epic's bottom line or not, there's just no good reason to be a douche about it.

It makes me happy to see him backpeddling, though.

 

[DragonSworne]

So, why aren't people also angry at the game journalists that laughed at the response?

Seems about the same level of derpness that Mark Rein displayed. Actually, I think it's worse since these guys are suppose to be objective, supposedly.

 

[megabytecr]

So, why aren't people also angry at the game journalists that laughed at the response?

Seems about the same level of derpness that Mark Rein displayed. Actually, I think it's worse since these guys are suppose to be objective, supposedly.

You know, coolness, now it seems to be cool to diss the Wii U, as it was before with the Wii. Premature dudebro journos!!

 

[shinra-bansho]

So, this is what happens when you upset the denizens of Nintendo Land...

Mark Rein should clearly issue a formal public apology and then commit seppuku.

Not publishing on a platform means no revenue. Keeping 70% of something is better than keeping 100% of nothing, right?

That depends on the initial investment, and whether that 70% of something makes a return on that investment.

Also, you keep going on about Unity. Do you really think it makes up for a lack of UE4, Frostbite 3 and probably Fox, Luminous, whatever Rockstar ends up using for their next gen games?

 

[DragonSworne]

Also, you keep going on about Unity. Do you really think it makes up for a lack of UE4, Frostbite 3 and probably Fox, Luminous, whatever Rockstar ends up using for their next gen games?

Those egnines except for UE4 are all staying inhouse to the company that developed them. So the developers that will be using Unity aren't really affected by those other engines...

 

[mentalfloss]

So, this is what happens when you upset the denizens of Nintendo Land...

Mark Rein should clearly issue a formal public apology and then commit seppuku.

So this is what happens when you hug a hyperbole hippopotamus.

 

[Fandangox]

Those egnines except for UE4 are all staying inhouse to the company that developed them. So the developers that will be using Unity aren't really affected by those other engines...

I think the point he is making is that games made by Unity won't make up for the lack of games done in the other engines. At least in quantity.

 

[donny2112]

One of my favorite articles

Visual Computing Still Decades from Computational Apex

As stated in your quote, that's for an 8000 x 4000 resolution. Considering most TVs are either 720p or 1080p (i.e. a fraction of that resolution), they won't need anywhere near that 5000 Teraflops. I guess this article's numbers will be relevant when TVs take up the entire wall of a Living Room?

So, this is what happens when you upset the denizens of Nintendo Land...

smh

 

[USC-fan]

So, this is what happens when you upset the denizens of Nintendo Land...

Mark Rein should clearly issue a formal public apology and then commit seppuku.

That depends on the initial investment, and whether that 70% of something makes a return on that investment.

Also, you keep going on about Unity. Do you really think it makes up for a lack of UE4, Frostbite 3 and probably Fox, Luminous, whatever Rockstar ends up using for their next gen games?

Unity is pretty much unless on consoles. Its for small eshop type games. The big problem with eshop games is the lack of marketing on that platform.

Also the lack of large amount of storage on wiiu doesnt help in pushing downloadable games.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

So, why aren't people also angry at the game journalists that laughed at the response?

Seems about the same level of derpness that Mark Rein displayed. Actually, I think it's worse since these guys are suppose to be objective, supposedly.

I expressed that sentiment earlier in this thread.

And got a no fun allowed image for my trouble.

 

[Darryl]

Also, you keep going on about Unity. Do you really think it makes up for a lack of UE4, Frostbite 3 and probably Fox, Luminous, whatever Rockstar ends up using for their next gen games?

luminous won't come to wii u? i seriously doubt that one.

also unity is fantastic and will become increasingly relevant within the next few years - no doubt about it.

 

[USC-fan]

luminous won't come to wii u? i seriously doubt that one.

if its coming to the wiiu they may as well bring it to the ps360.

 

[Darryl]

if its coming to the wiiu they may as well bring it to the ps360.

sure, they probably will if the market is still there but i don't predict the first luminous game until at least 2015 and by then it may no longer make sense. who knows

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So, why aren't people also angry at the game journalists that laughed at the response?

Probably because many-most journalists can be complete jokes and we expect that type of behavior from them nowadays.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Did my sarcastic comment offend? Sorry, but the outcry at Rein's comments from certain quarters is worthy of such condescension.

I think the point he is making is that games made by Unity won't make up for the lack of games done in the other engines. At least in quantity.

Pretty much.

 

[donny2112]

the outcry at Rein's comments from certain quarters is worthy of such condescension.

Then call out the specific quarters. You took a lazy way out to condescend a much larger group than whoever it is you were calling out by not quoting them.

 

[H_Prestige]

luminous won't come to wii u? i seriously doubt that one.

Why?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Then call out the specific quarters. You took a lazy way out to condescend a much larger group than whoever it is you were calling out by not quoting them.

My comment was aimed at the crazies who are acting like Rein laughed at victims of abuse or war widows. I thought this was relatively clear in the reference to a fictional world's inhabitants that no sane person should consider themselves a resident of.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

That is a sad way of thinking. Always be humble and polite, you dont know what may happen in the future, and most of the time, you may have to eat your words. Also you don't know if a potential client might get off by watching unproffesional behaviour. Just saying I dont give a damn really.

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

 

[Darryl]

Why?

In most discussions they talk about how scalable the engine is. Why make it scalable if they won't ever attempt to scale it down? I believe they have plans to even put it on mobile. The engine itself was forked sometime along development and a structurally similar version is being released on PS3 this year for FFXIV 2.0. UE4 has the excuse that the market isn't here. UE is primarily used by Western developers. Nintendo consoles have struggled with Western support. Nintendo has not struggled with Japanese support. We have the leaked Miiverse picture that shows Final Fantasy experimentation on the console already. We know they're supporting the console with Dragon Quest, and games like X will release on it that will help build the market for a Final Fantasy title. Thinking that it won't come to the Wii U is some seriously blind wishful thinking that Nintendo will fail at yet another thing.

 

[BlackJace]

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

This is actually a great point.

 

[MYE]

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

And "fanboys" are potential costumers too. Pissing them off in any way is a stupid move, specially when you might end up being fed by that hand down the road

and be forced to backpedal your way into their graces for dem monies

Valve head honcho Gabe Newell appeared at the Sony E3 conference yesterday in Los Angeles to break the news. He shocked attendees by claiming that the PS3 edition of Portal 2 was the best console version available.

It was some turnaround for a man who once called the machine "a waste of everybody's time" - something for which he later apologised to owners of the console.

 

[malek4980]

UE4? I think you meant Unity.

THE FUTURE IS YOUUUNEEEEEETEEEE!

 

[Log4Girlz]

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

Yeah Sony doesn't remember that comment or even the cell itself for that matter. X86 here Sony comes.

 

[megabytecr]

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

I have said it before, I dont give a shit, Rein can say what he wants, but the way he did it I find it unnecessary.

The same applies to that Gabe quote, I think it would have been better if he did not say that. But the Mark Rein is worse because of the way he said it laughing.

 

[Jinfash]

UE4? I think you meant Unity.

THE FUTURE IS YOUUUNEEEEEETEEEE!

King of Kings

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Wii U makes me consider to ever buy a console at launch again, honestly.

If by E3 Nintendo doesn't give me the feeling, that there is any future for this little console of theirs, I will sell it.

 

[AzaK]

Wii U makes me consider to ever buy a console at launch again, honestly.

If by E3 Nintendo doesn't give me the feeling, that there is any future for this little console of theirs, I will sell it.

I'm Giving them until PS4 and 720 launch but I'm with you. They need to show me the money.

 

[Triple U]

Gabe Newell literally said that the PS3 was a failure, Cell was a dead end, and that no one should bother learning to develop for it. Who remembers that now? Certainly not Sony. Companies don't get butthurt, their fanboys do.

And "fanboys" are potential costumers too. Pissing them off in any way is a stupid move, specially when you might end up being fed by that hand down the road

and be forced to backpedal your way into their graces for dem monies

Yeah I was about to say, gabe backtracked pretty hard.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I think Shakespeare wrote a play about this thread, actually.

 

[Makonero]

I think Shakespeare wrote a play about this thread, actually.

Actually, he wrote quite a few:

Spoiler

Okay, the last one's a stretch.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

You know, coolness, now it seems to be cool to diss the Wii U, as it was before with the Wii. Premature dudebro journos!!

I don't understand what was wrong with anyone laughing. He laughed at the fact that a last gen console was going to get a next engine and he clarified this. If you were developing a next gen engine and you already have a last gen engine and someone asks is the next gen engine going to be on the last gen consoles of course you would laugh. No shit sherlock of course not. Although Epic's view on the console being last gen was not publicly known I can totally see why they laughed. They would of have laughed if he said ps3 or 360. A few insecure fanboys suddenly think he's laughing at nintendo when thats not the case at all.

Furthermore I find it laughable that people think this will effect Epic business wise.

 

[The_Lump]

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/03/29/unreal-engine-4-frostbite-3-will-not-support-wii-u

Update: Speaking with Engadget, Epic's Mark Rein doubled back on his previous comments to IGN concerning Wii U and Unreal Engine 4. "If someone wants to take Unreal Engine 4 and ship a game on Wii U, they can," Rein said. "If they wanna ship an Unreal Engine 4 game on Xbox 360, they could make it happen." The scalable nature of Unreal Engine means we'll see it running in browsers and mobile in the future -- and maybe current-gen consoles as well. Why Rein denied it so aggressively in the first place isn't certain.

Just wanted to point out that this is what I said at the start of this thread. Not sure why they havn't changed the article title, same goes for Kotaku?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

So, why aren't people also angry at the game journalists that laughed at the response?

Seems about the same level of derpness that Mark Rein displayed. Actually, I think it's worse since these guys are suppose to be objective, supposedly.

Gaming "journalists" haven't been objective in a damn long time.

 

[netBuff]

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/03/29/unreal-engine-4-frostbite-3-will-not-support-wii-u




Just wanted to point out that this is what I said at the start of this thread. Not sure why they havn't changed the article title, same goes for Kotaku?

Because studios buy third-party engines to save costs by not doing essential groundwork to get games running on a platform. Doing all the engine porting work in-house won't seem like a beneficial prospect.

When even Epic doesn't see the amount of work involved as worth their time, what makes you think an individual game developer is going to be willing to invest time and resources to port UE4?

Gaming "journalists" haven't been objective in a damn long time.

Gaming journalists don't have to be "objective" in their personal opinions. They are allowed to be critical of Nintendo.

 

[StuBurns]

Actually, engines are more often licensed to save time. Money wise, it's not that beneficial.

 

[netBuff]

Actually, engines are more often licensed to save time. Money wise, it's not that beneficial.

While interesting, isn't that arguing over semantics? Saving time is going to translate into a monetary incentive in some way (reduction of risk, hitting of target dates), otherwise no one would license any third-party engines.

 

[tkscz]

Because studios buy third-party engines to save costs by not doing essential groundwork to get games running on a platform. Doing all the engine porting work in-house won't seem like a beneficial prospect.

When even Epic doesn't see the amount of work involved as worth their time, what makes you think an individual game developer is going to be willing to invest time and resources to port UE4?

If the WiiU picks up in sales, and you're as greedy as lets say Activion, you'd do it for the money. Other wise, yeah I see no reason.

 

[troushers]

I don't understand what was wrong with anyone laughing. He laughed at the fact that a last gen console was going to get a next engine and he clarified this. If you were developing a next gen engine and you already have a last gen engine and someone asks is the next gen engine going to be on the last gen consoles of course you would laugh. No shit sherlock of course not. Although Epic's view on the console being last gen was not publicly known I can totally see why they laughed. They would of have laughed if he said ps3 or 360. A few insecure fanboys suddenly think he's laughing at nintendo when thats not the case at all.

Furthermore I find it laughable that people think this will effect Epic business wise.

I find your username hilariously appropriate. You looked inside his head and knew, just knew exactly what he was laughing about (post hoc twitter rationalisations aside).

Labelling the Wii U 'last gen' is going to be a running sore in online debates. Some people see it that way, for reasons I don't agree with, and which they seem to be selectively applying in this generation. That's fine, but you will be endlessly explaining and arguing your odd definition, which will get in the way of any other debate you try to have.