Human history has shown the masses don't really think for themselves and act in a mob mentality. It goes far beyond consumer choices, but how people buy into brands, cultural ideas, and world views.
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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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Human history has shown the masses don't really think for themselves and act in a mob mentality. It goes far beyond consumer choices, but how people buy into brands, cultural ideas, and world views.
Hot Coldman
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I dunno if they'll get something else. :lol
Whatever, I'm talking about the UK. Too many people just play CoD and FIFA.
Insane Metal
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People aren't dumb or ignorant there needs and use case may not be the same as yours.
Vire
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You really wanna bring Obama's war crimes into this thread? No thanks!
I see you're banned but speaking for myself: Hell no I wouldn't defend it, I'd be just as displeased. It would delay my purchase for a year or two, until they get their infrastructure right, or possibly mean skipping entirely.
Valve's had ~9 years to get Steam sorted, and I'm more comfortable spending money on digital only purchases with them than I am with either MS or Sony.
Hopefully this Adam Ortho guy is just trolling, I guess we'll know soon enough.
Grinchy
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That sums up why the Wii sold so well.
This dude is a Creative Director at Microsoft. Not a new hire. Not a fake account.
You might want to take a breather.
Ol No Bones
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I was reffering to his tweets being unacceptable. Just stupid. Microsoft just needs to show the damn thing.
Twilight Gap
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In my experience most people just assume 'always online' just means the system's always going to automatically go online for updates and stuff when you turn it on, sort of like how every console already works. They don't realize unless you slowly explain it to them it means having a stable connection 24/7 is a prerequisite to using the console.
Why on Earth is everyone counter attacking my posts the same way?
Oh I see, I though he was being rude lol
In that case they'd prob just hold on to current gen systems since COD and FIFA probably won't go next gen exclusive for at least a year imo.
Insane Metal
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old manatee
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Microsoft had a good run in the console business.
AHA-Lambda
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Some will cave and some won't care but the mass market as a whole when choosing one system to flock to? I can't see them going for this.
Such a terrible opinion and way of vocalising it. Always online isn't something to adopt early, you don't jump in - it takes a long time and the backbone just isn't there to guarantee it.
And he sounds like a dickhead to be honest, here's a trick - in the marketplace there are different products because people have different tastes and needs. Always online is nothing to do with being a luddite and everything to do with your circumstances and lifestyle. Travel regularly? Fuck you. Live outside the city? Fuck you. Shitty ISP? Fuck you. Live servers down? Fuck you. Router not working? Fuck you.
Let the consumer decide if they want to be always online if they can, not lock them out if they can't.
Of course the fucking irony is that when he didn't like the response he got, Adam Orth went and locked his Twitter account. So if you say anything on MS boards or in chat that they don't like, fuck you and your games, you're locked out.
And he sounds like a dickhead to be honest, here's a trick - in the marketplace there are different products because people have different tastes and needs. Always online is nothing to do with being a luddite and everything to do with your circumstances and lifestyle. Travel regularly? Fuck you. Live outside the city? Fuck you. Shitty ISP? Fuck you. Live servers down? Fuck you. Router not working? Fuck you.
Let the consumer decide if they want to be always online if they can, not lock them out if they can't.
Of course the fucking irony is that when he didn't like the response he got, Adam Orth went and locked his Twitter account. So if you say anything on MS boards or in chat that they don't like, fuck you and your games, you're locked out.
YuriLowell
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So this basically confirms always online.
No new xbox for me.
No new xbox for me.
This is my favorite post in this thread.
Kasumi1970
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guess What MS I not buying your craper new system the 360 is the last MS systen i will own. you can kiss the game market goodbye.
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No it hasn't.
MaximumFlipFlop
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I don't care what anyone says, always online is utter bullshit and no one should support it. Last semester at school our dorm Internet would drop out for several hours a day. Probably 50% of the time I was there the Internet was out. We would system link when that happened but at least we could still play. Always online has to be a joke.
Twilight Gap
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If Nintendo announces some good games and changes its marketing Campaign this year, they should be able to get back on track.
Dude, you're missing the major point that keeps being mentioned.
It doesn't matter if you have a rock solid 100Mbs fibre internet connection. You're still fucked if MS's servers can't authenticate you, or they get DDoS, or they have scheduled maintenance, or they go offline for any reason.
I don't have any issues with my internet at home. 20MBs cable, and not had an outage in years. But in that time, I've been signed out of PSN/Live while playing dozens upon dozens of times. And not forgetting both MS and Sony have had high profile outages.
Also, he's been at Microsoft Studios for over a year now
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-orth/44/354/b44
Twitter cache for repost: http://i2.minus.com/ikWhhKM09bWdC.png
there's literally nothing that people won't buy
the only thing that would cause a person to not buy a product is the product not having a sufficient marketing budget
It does, to some. I know some people, and surely there are those on GAF who bought it because of specific titles, but many, many bought it because it was something talked about as the 'it' thing in culture. People who can't tell their Zelda's from their Xenoblade's bought it because the masses were talking about it, and how it was so cool. It was, coincidentally, that when it faded from that spotlight the sales of the system started to flatline at an almost incredible rate, something no other platform of that generation had in such a big wave.
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Raitosaito
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Oh man
rudieboy77
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You should read a history book then.
digoutyoursoul
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Lol !!!
IdreamofHIME
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Does he realise he just confirmed a rumour MS have been saying "no comment" to? Is he that big a moron?
cosmicblizzard
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Wii U can probably turn itself around eventually. Maybe MS can as well. Is this something that can be removed with an update?
Rebel Leader
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Lost sales by word of mouth can be alot so I don't think it a troll
Individual games that most would get mainly to play with others, and especially for Diablo III there was STILL backlash, and presumably the primary reason it was always online, the auction house, ended up being a bad idea. We also had Ubisoft backtrack from doing this to strictly single player games (where it's the biggest problem) after enough backlash and possibly diminished sales.
If Microsoft were poising this as a platform first and foremost for online games then MAYBE people would tolerate it, as you gotta be online to play the games anyway. But under the assumption of a general, single-player-too system, it's a bunch of shit. And personally I wouldn't want a primary console ONLY about playing multiplayer games to take off and force out other consoles anyway, as I do want my single player games.
If its true that they've dedicated themsleves to this course, I'm willing to bet that in their minds they believe they are being forward-thinking. They probably imagine the naysayers to be the same as those that bellyached about the first Xbox having only broadband and warned that they would lose all the 56k players. So they might be thinking that they're being trailblazers that will push the whole industry forward with this bold decision.
The dev team has probably been living in a always-online evangelizing bubble in Redmond for the past year without any outside feedback to give them pause.
The dev team has probably been living in a always-online evangelizing bubble in Redmond for the past year without any outside feedback to give them pause.
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